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Yes, unfortunately, when editing lots of files from @LinearLineman, I had to switch to Logic Pro because of all the time-consuming grid editing that Xequence didn't support as well as Logic. Then I found that NS2 did everything I needed so now that's my go-to MIDI editor.
Don't get me wrong, Xequence 2 is lovely software that does its job quite well if you're into perfectly quantized electronic music but I personally need more freedom, especially when fine-editing rhythmic grooves.
That’s really interesting. I can see preferring NS2 for some reasons, but of all the reasons I could think someone would prefer sequencing in NS2 over X2, that’s the last I’d think of. I’ll have to go back and see if I can figure out why you said that. (Not disputing it in your case ... just surprised at that answer.)
(P.S. I love ‘em both and have no opinion one vs. the other.)
I really wanted to get friends with Xeq2 and it does a lot of things right.
Also, @SevenSystems is a great guy who deserves support.
I've also suggested a few changes and we discussed them but in the end it's the developer who decides what to implement and what to leave as-is.
In the iOS world, I think it's best to use an app for what it's best at and in terms of editing long or multitrack MIDI files, NS2 simply does its job me thinks.
Indeed I had to force myself trying NS2 because I didn't expect that either. Before, my go-to MIDI editor was Audio Evolution but unfortunately it's quite rough at controller/automation editing. Another strong point of NS2, not to speak of having to menu-dive in X2 each time you need to add a new MIDI CC, the lack of an internal sound engine and the risk of your project getting lost if you switch apps and forgot to save your X2 project before switching. Happened to me more than once. Not so with NS2.
I am just giving up on IOS for professional recording. I don't do straight 4/4 120 bpm all in the box
I sequence some stuff
I record midi but I don't quantize, (even drums!)
I record multiple vocal tracks
I record both analog and digital synths
I like to use outboard effects
I really tried to do it but it just isn't there
Cubasis is not a complete Daw and IMHO they really dropped the ball and insulted their customer base but mucking up 2 and pooping out 3
NS2 is not a Daw at all but a great sequencer!
And I never tried Auria Pro I heard about too many problems with midi and it crashing
Back to Pro Tools
I wish pro tools or ableton could fit in my pocket
Um. Yeh, OK those are reasons I can understand, but you don’t expand on the one reason I quoted as being curious. I’m not trying to debate, and I don’t even particularly like app vs. app discussion. I’m just interested in how X2 is more geared toward “perfectly quantized electronic music” and comparatively lacking freedom.
No answer needed, and maybe it’s best not to.
Xequence's lack of tempo and meter changes?
Yeh, there is that for sure. I was thinking only on the editing side. I personally give X2’s piano roll a slight edge over NS2 ... but the differences are slight, and piano roll comparisons are very much a matter of personal taste.
you might consider an actual port of a Mac/PC desktop soft to iOS: look at MultiTrackStudio. (As someone suggested above) It does what you mentioned in your initial post and a lot more.
Yes, the GUI is not pretty, and some call it idiosyncratic. It’s free to try on PC Mac, and the iPad version is in some ways even better sorted.
Maybe I'm a little picky about piano rolls after comparing just about every editor available on iOS two years ago, when I basically wrote a detailed re-design of the piano roll note editing functionality (just notes and grid behavior, not the controllers) for Audio Evolution Mobile.
That's when I've found that the Garageband piano roll is actually quite good, it's just not a lot of other stuff that feels inviting.
As for perfectly quantized notes: One thing I really miss is the fact that in X2, you cannot disable grid snapping without completely hiding the grid. I know no other sequencer that does that and when you're editing un-quantized notes like from "groovy" live playing, moving notes to a time position that sounds "just right" to the ear without machine-quantizing them 100% is more difficult that I thought when I have to "blindly edit" notes all the time. I find the grid display essential, especially when I've disabled the notes snapping to the grid.
Try to make a perfectly quantized recording "groove a little better" without a grid reference and you'll see what I mean. It's not apparent until you actually do it.
For basic note editing it's sufficient but lacks any kind of controller & automation editing.
I like the adaptive grid, note memory (length & velocity when adding notes), non-destructive quantize etc. etc.
But man, why can't we just download all the iOS sound expansions directly to the desktop versions of Logic & GarageBand...
(Nope they are not part of a full Logic installation but have to be downloaded on per project basis and can't be used by new projects in Logic or GarageBand, big WTF at Apple here).
The old classic Beatmaker 2 had/has a next to perfect midi editor...
Ahh! The grid disappearing. That makes total sense. Very good point. I hate to tag @SevenSystems in an unrelated thread, but this is worth noting.
Thanks for being patient and clarifying for me.
Yes, toggling snapping independently of grid display is on the roadmap, along with a lot of other things, and it's sometimes hard to prioritize.
@rs2000: Sorry to hear about lost projects. This is entirely new to me and to the best of my knowledge, the current Xequence version in the App Store is essentially bug-free and if you experience lost or corrupted projects (again, something that I've never heard of so far), or crashes, then please do let me know the details and steps to reproduce it -- it will be fixed yesterday!
(except if you're referring to the Audiobus state saving thing, which I'm still not sure if it's an Audiobus or Xequence problem).
Sorry but I've reported it months ago and even the standalone app still does no state saving when switching apps. In contrast to NS2, for example, when your iDevice runs low on memory, Xequence will surprise you with an empty welcome screen when you switch back.
Forgot to save before app switching? There you go. Start again.
Edit: @SevenSystems: See my mails from June 12 and June 13 last year.
If N-Track was stable and had audio warping it would be the best alternative to Cubasis hands down.
The interface is simple and nice also good on the eyes ( I’ve tried Zenbeats but all the skins it has, have a negative side on the eye at night time.they should consider taking off the black colour on the screen when there no tracks added, also the black colour under the mixer when you open the inspector section.)
N-Track has tempo changes.
You can add markers
It has side chain and one of the only apps that had it before AUM update
Choose a track to be mono or stereo.
You can route any track to any track.
You can choose to freeze a track or bounce it to audio.
You can group tracks
Create real sends and aux tracks
Unfortunately on my iPad Pro 11 it’s very unstable with AUv3 apps.
Thanks, I have put this issue back on the map with high priority, I had forgotten about it -- but it's literally (and I'm not exaggerating) the ONLY SUCH REPORT I EVER GOT. So it just slipped through the cracks. From all I can tell, project saving, loading and AutoSave are 99.999% reliable. Just to put it into perspective.
But I do of course appreciate that it's an issue for you and it will be fixed.
Auto-save can cut both ways. Unless you remember to start working on a copy of the project, you may not want to have auto save writing over your changes. Some sort of “last manual save” vs. “auto-save” option on reloading loading a project would be best IMO.
Xequence's autoSave is always separate from your current project. The app never overwrites an existing, named project file unless you explicitly hit the "Save" button.
The system is well thought out and definitely does the right thing in the majority of cases. I'll catch the ones where it doesn't.
I have found that part very reliable.
Maybe there's a misunderstanding here.
I'm not talking about auto-save.
What I mean is the typical state saving when an app goes to the background to make sure that even when the app is killed due to low memory for example, it can be reborn to finally show exactly the state that is shown in the screen shot in task switcher.
Apple doesn't do this for you, you have to code this on your own.
I bet that others have lost projects too, it's just unfortunate that nobody else has reported it yet, or maybe wrote it off as "works as designed" 😉
In case you've missed it, here's a rundown on app states, specifically on the "application:didEnterBackground" callback.
https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2016/07/handling-ios-app-states-state-machine/
I don’t think I’ve ever had a Xequence 2 crash. So no lost projects here.
Again, it's not a crash (no app can foresee that) but rather iOS terminating an app when working memory runs low, which is a very common and natural thing to happen, at least when you have more than one app open at a time.
I experienced this when using AudioBus, and occasionally standalone if I was using AudioBus on other apps. I kinda just used Xequence always active, and ran my apps carefully. I’m glad you’re making this known.
When this has happened to me, my next launch of Xequence has always given me the opportunity to launch the thing that had been open -- (it auto-saves whatever you are working as a temp file that can be restored). Does that not happen for you?
Amen to this. Ableton could really squeeze another chunk of cash out of me with a iOS version. I’m even seriously considering a Surface Pro just so I can run the touch version of Bitwig. I just refuse to believe modern ipads aren’t powerful enough when the old G5 I was running Live 5 (up to Live 7) is pitiful compared to my 2019 1TB ipad pro. sigh
Yes, same as AUM “Restore Last Session”. Never had either of those fail.
@rs2000 : I just did a few tests simulating crashes or forced reboots and in all cases Xequence restores the state of things when I tap restore last session on the next launch.
If that doesn’t work for you, maybe we can help figure out what is happening for you so that it can be fixed.
OK, I can do a few more tests, I only remember that last time I've hit Restore after Xequence "restored", I've got an empty project which is to me nothing else than a lost project.
Maybe I'm a bit spoilt by the other apps... I don't know.
Thanks for your help though!
What you experienced is something I've never run into. Restore has been reliable for me.