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Not all nations and countries are equal in the eyes of Roland. So Zenbeats is not an option. At least for me
That sucks
always when i read about ZenBeats i want to try it again - i would like to make at least one complete track there ...
But always, after i download it, run it .. latest 10 minutes after that it crashes :-( It rashes probably more than NTrack ...
Did it again.. first time it crashes right after i logged in, and now it always crashes during scanning AU plugins (i think it's during drambo scan)
Unfortunately, looks like that app knows i was beta tester for NS2 and doesn't like me
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'Was' a beta tester for NS2?
Scanning for plugins hahaha 😂
Or more like 🥵🤬🤯😢
I have most of my usual AUfx scanned and all of my AUv3. Use Scan New instead of Scan All. It has never crashed on me other than during AU scanning. I find myself using the internal synths and fx quite a lot anyway. I think for external AUfx I’m mostly using FAC. Roland has been working on the AU scanning issue. There is an update due out soon. I suggest just trying it without worrying about what’s happening with AU’s.
While ZB may (in some ways) not be as elegant as NS2 I am finding it pretty much does everything that NS2 does and more due to audio tracks and AU automation. I am using only ZB now.
It doesn’t have Obsidian of course but the synths and Sampleverse sampler are pretty good. They take a different approach and I find myself getting things that are new and unique because of it. They sort of remind me of the synths in FLSM.
Roland is very open to input and you can talk directly to Roland product specialists during their interactive seminars. They are really behind this product.
https://www.roland.com/us/roland_cloud_academy/zenbeats/
i have just very few most mainstream plugins installed, iˇnothing exotic, up to 10 instruments and 10 fxs (from which half are FAC things
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It crashes on Drambo and i don't want to delete it for now.. maybe later i make backup of my projects and try it without Drambo installed ... as i sait even through NS is my main workhorse i like to experiment with other daws ... Maybe i can try what i can do with just bundled instruments and fxs
@Pierre118 aah ok, i still am, just wrong word selection, my poor english :-))
Just run without scanning. You may find that Drambo is available. You don’t have to scan to use it so you don’t have to delete anything.
it doesn't crash for me but not being able to automate Au parameters with dials or x/y is a deal breaker.
You should try Zenbeats. You’ll never give Steinberg another penny.
You can automate them with a external controller pretty easily
Once I start to get funky with external hardware on ipad though I start thinking, 'well why don't I just plugin in this and that and that...' next thing I know I am back on desktop wondering why I'm so angry.
NanoStudio has been a one-man show since its inception and so I quickly learned to not get any hopes up regarding both features or fixes that aren't critical.
As for Cubasis, I'm pretty new to it because it only just recently became Universal with C3.. Bought it with all plugins hoping for tiny miracles but automation not following events, among other small and big nuisances, made me ditch it very early on.
I mainly don't care about NS2 not having audio tracks.. I'm more anxious for AUv3 effect automation.. but other than that, NS2 is pretty complete to me, especially when you know how to work it. I consider it, alongside SunVox, as a single-developer miracle.
My Last track was started in NS2, for synth and midi sequencing. I exported the stems to ProTools to record audio, mix and master. The track turned out well.
In order to try to keep the workflow all on the iPad, I bought Auria Pro. It does everything I want but there is one thing it does not do well; Midi editing in the “piano roll”
This is not a big deal for me, I am more of a player than a programmer, but simple fixes or adjustments are frustrating because the accuracy of the interface when trying to edit the midi with your finger or pencil.
NS2 does the midi editing/programming very well, but no AAP and no Audio recording
So the next track I will use NS2 for the Synth, and midi sequencing then export the audio to Auria Pro. If I am able I will also create some sequences to be exported as midi to AP and use the AAPs I enjoy like iM1 with the midi created in NS2.
Then record the Audio, Mix and master in AP
NS2 has nice stem exporting and also takes into account the midi fx when exporting stems, cubasis and Zenbeats both seem to include midi fx for a full mix but not stem export for some reason.
"This is why, imho, Korg is backing up with AUv3 implementation into Gadget."
Is this true??
Audio Cross fades are definitely possible in MTS. It’s done as an A/B config: Set up a fade out of any length in the A track, and fade in of any length in a B track.
Wait for nanostudio till the end of time, It does have the best interface for editing and huge potential. I gave up to using iOS for finishing tracks.
Wait for Logic.
Wait for Cubasis till the end of time. Does has the best on screen recording automation, freezing. But development, cant really understand this from the creator of the mighty Cubase.
Check out Endlesss too, which is just unbelievable. And they are coming to desktop too. Jamming on iOS alone or together. Finish on desktop with the same tool in your DAW of choice. The interface is so good for live recording. But currently still a looper.
Great times anyway;)
I understand that. I hate all the nonsense I’ve had to go through in the past to get simple functions done including using multiple apps to supplement a third app that should have those functions. But all it took was one cable from my little keyboard, MIDI learn 2 knobs to 2 parameters, record the automation, put the keyboard away. Drop in some audio clips and have them automatically time-stretch? Then play the from the beginning, middle or end? Yessir! Zenbeats is my preference for a lot of reasons and I’ve been doing music for a long time. To each their own of course. ✌🏼
Any ideas why this is??? I’m curious as to why Roland would turn down money from paying customers in some countries.
I doubt that’s Rolands choice. It’s more likely there are local restrictions of some kind. There may be ways around it. Google the issue and maybe there’s an answer that will work for you.
I really do not like Zenbeats. It feels outdated, audio units don’t scale correctly in AU so I can’t manipulate everything. And still no AU fx automation.
There isn’t much that CB3 is missing for me. Pitch automation is the main piece I’m missing. But overall, it feels the most full featured. The IAPs are fairly solid too.
NS2 is my next favorite but it feels a bit more like a toy.
I would be using Cubasis 3 now if it were simply Cubasis 2 + the extra timeline resolution of CB3 + rearrangeable AUv3 parameters of CB3 but alas the total rewrite situation left it a buggy mess for me. Now CB3 is only for mastering with NS2 for making tunes. Once NS2 audio tracks kicks in BM3 will get more use making audio tracks for NS2 via the sampler. I decided I may as well practice and build up muscle memory in my strongest bet moving forward, so NS2 it is as I think it will take years for Cubasis 3 to resolve, particularly given that they claim unable to repro my most critical bugs.
I hated Zenbeats the first couple of times I tried it but I've really learned it and have found it quite capable.
Audio units scale properly on my iPad 2019. You can do AU fx automation with an external controller or draw it in.
Roland is working on an update to address issues and add features. They also are providing quality support and training.
To each their own of course but Zenbeats is perfect for me. I can't agree at all on NS2 being a "toy" either but again YMMV.
Ideas only: no factual basis ...
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/771914/#Comment_771914
TLDR; Zenbeats is cross-platform, meaning Roland sells it and its content packs directly for all but iOS, whereas iOS apps are actually sold by Apple. Roland doesn't do business in every country. The profitability of doing so can make that not worthwhile. Therefore, they only sell in the countries in which they are established as a business.
Just my guess.
Could maybe be laws regarding terms of use given the different platforms and the user account, personal info, privacy etc
This used to be called stagelight.
Many people all over the world bought stagelight and also in app purchases.
Stagelight was sold to Roland and renamed to zenbeats, but not available to many people in some areas where Roland doesn’t do business.
Many paying customers of stagelight were abandoned.
...another reason I don’t feel too endeared to the idea of using the app.
It sucks to be collateral damage for sure.
A mystery to me. Doubt piracy is the case, at least considering ios users. In my view, Roland’s among those big companies, which size makes them incredibly far from regular costumer. Found a proof to these opinion, when I was looking for guitar-to-midi solution. Roland, once a pioneer in this technology, now is outsider with heavy, overloaded, not user friendly devices. Not to mention the price.