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  • @LinearLineman said:
    I find it very interesting that there is no serious conflict on this potentially cantankerous thread. I have done my best to stir the pot but no takers. If you think that this is because the world has come to its senses, think again.

    There was a hand washing poll: Republicans polled they would wash their hands half as much as Democrats. There is no sea change in Trump’s base, and Fox News, for the most part, has not altered course.

    We are, let’s face it, a very liberal group of people (at least the ones who post). The few who could be counted on to defend the Republican party line here seem to have decided it is not worth it for them to stick their necks out any longer. To us liberal thinkers it may seem like there is no opposing argument because any such arguments are indefensible or that people have changed their minds. Frankly, I doubt it. Now they just talk amongst themselves.

    1. I don’t know what is liberal about liberalism, but it isn’t based on Liberty and Rights.
    2. I’m a Libertarian, the far opposite of being a Liberal.
    3. You may be right about other, but you are absolutely right about me. It is not worth it for me to stick my neck out for the most of you... the angry liberal clueless ones who believe CO2 is bad for the planet and the world will end in 12 years, those who insist I read or watch snipe from the likes of Rachel Maddow, or anyone else on MSNBC, CNN, ... or they will turn a deaf ear... isn’t she oen of those credible sources everyone tells me about that preached Russia, Russia, Russia every single program of every single day... oops, that didn’t turn out so well. These media people lie to you every single day, I have never lied to you nor anyone else on this board, nor anywhere else, and someone thinks they have the right to question my honesty or integrity?

    Who do you think gives you that right? Only one person in this world can grant that right and that is me. I don’t grant that right to anyone... unless I lie. Then the entire world has been granted that right, and I can never even beg for it back.

    Because it’s too late for most of you. Big changes are already taking place right under your noses and you don’t even see it.
    The problem is no one here seems to be able to ask the right questions. They have you all distracted and confused and angry and panicking... frankly, it reminds me of playing Lemmings years ago...
    Most of you have been walked up to the brink of insanity by the lying media and some of you, I fear, will not be able to deal with events taking place now and in the near future.
    As far as Corona Virus... I wash my hands like always and that’s about all the thought I give to it.
    I pay more attention to flu season every year.
    4. Anyone who doesn’t understand why people avoid vaccinations hasn’t done their homework on the subject... just like “Climate Change”
    5. You state there are no opposing defensible arguments. That one made me laugh. I have no desire to engage in discourse with people who are clueless.
    6. Our President has not only saved this Country, he has saved the World. Anyone who wants to dispute that has no idea what has happened, is happening, and is going to happen. Period. Please read that again... He has already saved the World. He and many others, many who’ve lost their lives doing their part. I have done my part. Anyone who reads this has been enlightened whether or not they accept it. I am willing to speak on behalf of anyone else who understands what is happening, but has their own reasons for not posting. Perhaps the other non-liberals have better things to do than read clueless angry drivel... probably helping some other non-liberal with something or accepting help from another non-liberal... we’re just like that.
    7. Those who think they can throw vile my way like it’s going to hurt my feelings, or to shame me in some odd way, like calling me racist, or one of the many other meaningless attacks liberals try to use,... fire away. Vent all your anger out of your body if that’s what it takes, I’m a big boy, I can take it. I’ll read all of it, but there will be no more posts from me in this thread. I have a garden to get ready for planting and a thousand better things to do than be lectured by people who’ve lost the ability to think for themselves with a CRITICAL MIND!! Start asking the right questions and you’ll be surprised what you’ll learn.
    8. I will read this thread to the end as a courtesy to anyone who needs to vent.

    I still listen to you all.
    I still wish you all nothing but the best in your lives.

    And so does Donald Trump.
    And your life is going to be more remarkable than you can imagine. That’s what saddens me when I witness all this anger. Though totally justified, it is misplaced upon our President.
    It took time to change the world, and it takes time to awaken the public. If you don’t know or understand what’s happening, you can’t share in the excitement and magnitude of current events.

    Here’s a wake-up call... Have you wondered why so many top executives have resigned lately? Bill Gates resigned from Microsoft today. What is the connecting factor behind all these resignations... When the truth comes out, it will come as a flood and you’ll find out whom you have the right to direct your anger at. Warning: You will be angrier at the real culprits than you are at President Trump. Do not let it overwhelm you. Remember to have compassion along with the anger. Some people got roped into something and couldn’t find a safe way out. Pity them for being spineless and short-sighted, be angry at their upsetting deeds, and hold them accountable with a compassionate heart.

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    @knewspeak said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:
    Herd immunity strategy (which I think is insane):

    https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-can-herd-immunity-really-protect-us-133583

    Also, anyone who knows anything about the sorts of mathematical models that the behavourial psychologists are using knows that they are incapable of modelling actual human behaviour, so relying on them is madness.

    Just an example of Johnson acknowledging via his usual delivery method of lying, that he can’t do anything, because his party have spent the last ten years running all essential services down beyond their ability to cope, even without a pandemic.

    Even if he could do anything positive, he wouldn’t.

    The UK population have been royally screwed over, and there could be half a million deaths as a result.

    That’s absolutely correct, one thing that they’re only just waking up to, well some at least, is the fact that transmission is really widespread, it was in Italy, hence the rapid explosion in cases. It’s why the numbers were statistically out of line in Italy, they were just using detected cases, the vast majority or not detected.

    I’m currently arguing with Mrs Monzo, who seems to have ditched all her usual level-headidness and thinks we should be out, doing lots of stuff, and going away for holiday breaks, and seeing everyone, so we can have a last ditch attempt at normality. When actually normal for us isn’t doing any of those things, as we’re home birds.

    Weird, seems to affect people in different ways. I’ve tried explaining there’s a confirmed case in a nearby town, so it’s here already, and minimising unnecessary exposure is the thing to do, but I’m in the doghouse now.

  • edited March 2020

    @rackersr said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    I find it very interesting that there is no serious conflict on this potentially cantankerous thread. I have done my best to stir the pot but no takers. If you think that this is because the world has come to its senses, think again.

    There was a hand washing poll: Republicans polled they would wash their hands half as much as Democrats. There is no sea change in Trump’s base, and Fox News, for the most part, has not altered course.

    We are, let’s face it, a very liberal group of people (at least the ones who post). The few who could be counted on to defend the Republican party line here seem to have decided it is not worth it for them to stick their necks out any longer. To us liberal thinkers it may seem like there is no opposing argument because any such arguments are indefensible or that people have changed their minds. Frankly, I doubt it. Now they just talk amongst themselves.

    1. I don’t know what is liberal about liberalism, but it isn’t based on Liberty and Rights.
    2. I’m a Libertarian, the far opposite of being a Liberal.
    3. You may be right about other, but you are absolutely right about me. It is not worth it for me to stick my neck out for the most of you... the angry liberal clueless ones who believe CO2 is bad for the planet and the world will end in 12 years, those who insist I read or watch snipe from the likes of Rachel Maddow, or anyone else on MSNBC, CNN, ... or they will turn a deaf ear... isn’t she oen of those credible sources everyone tells me about that preached Russia, Russia, Russia every single program of every single day... oops, that didn’t turn out so well. These media people lie to you every single day, I have never lied to you nor anyone else on this board, nor anywhere else, and someone thinks they have the right to question my honesty or integrity?

    Who do you think gives you that right? Only one person in this world can grant that right and that is me. I don’t grant that right to anyone... unless I lie. Then the entire world has been granted that right, and I can never even beg for it back.

    Because it’s too late for most of you. Big changes are already taking place right under your noses and you don’t even see it.
    The problem is no one here seems to be able to ask the right questions. They have you all distracted and confused and angry and panicking... frankly, it reminds me of playing Lemmings years ago...
    Most of you have been walked up to the brink of insanity by the lying media and some of you, I fear, will not be able to deal with events taking place now and in the near future.
    As far as Corona Virus... I wash my hands like always and that’s about all the thought I give to it.
    I pay more attention to flu season every year.
    4. Anyone who doesn’t understand why people avoid vaccinations hasn’t done their homework on the subject... just like “Climate Change”
    5. You state there are no opposing defensible arguments. That one made me laugh. I have no desire to engage in discourse with people who are clueless.
    6. Our President has not only saved this Country, he has saved the World. Anyone who wants to dispute that has no idea what has happened, is happening, and is going to happen. Period. Please read that again... He has already saved the World. He and many others, many who’ve lost their lives doing their part. I have done my part. Anyone who reads this has been enlightened whether or not they accept it. I am willing to speak on behalf of anyone else who understands what is happening, but has their own reasons for not posting. Perhaps the other non-liberals have better things to do than read clueless angry drivel... probably helping some other non-liberal with something or accepting help from another non-liberal... we’re just like that.
    7. Those who think they can throw vile my way like it’s going to hurt my feelings, or to shame me in some odd way, like calling me racist, or one of the many other meaningless attacks liberals try to use,... fire away. Vent all your anger out of your body if that’s what it takes, I’m a big boy, I can take it. I’ll read all of it, but there will be no more posts from me in this thread. I have a garden to get ready for planting and a thousand better things to do than be lectured by people who’ve lost the ability to think for themselves with a CRITICAL MIND!! Start asking the right questions and you’ll be surprised what you’ll learn.
    8. I will read this thread to the end as a courtesy to anyone who needs to vent.

    I still listen to you all.
    I still wish you all nothing but the best in your lives.

    And so does Donald Trump.
    And your life is going to be more remarkable than you can imagine. That’s what saddens me when I witness all this anger. Though totally justified, it is misplaced upon our President.
    It took time to change the world, and it takes time to awaken the public. If you don’t know or understand what’s happening, you can’t share in the excitement and magnitude of current events.

    Here’s a wake-up call... Have you wondered why so many top executives have resigned lately? Bill Gates resigned from Microsoft today. What is the connecting factor behind all these resignations... When the truth comes out, it will come as a flood and you’ll find out whom you have the right to direct your anger at. Warning: You will be angrier at the real culprits than you are at President Trump. Do not let it overwhelm you. Remember to have compassion along with the anger. Some people got roped into something and couldn’t find a safe way out. Pity them for being spineless and short-sighted, be angry at their upsetting deeds, and hold them accountable with a compassionate heart.

    What a load of bollocks. *shakes head and walks away laughing.

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  • To those bitching about uk government’s response to CV. The virus is here and is spreading, get used to it today and in the future. We’re living in a hyper interconnected global village and this is the price to pay. The hyper isolation would have made sense 3-4 months ago, now it is a waste of resources. You cannot effectively quarantine 50 million people for months on end.

    At this point in time (14/03/2020) keep observing common sense precautions and isolate (self isolate), support the vulnerable.

  • @Max23 said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @Max23 : please read the section of the medium article about fatality rate estimates. The likely accurate number is much lower (which is still very very very bad because of how many will be affected).

    I think if you read the article, you will see that the “real” rate is going to turn out to be far less but still bad:

    https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

    "The last relevant example is the Diamond Princess cruise: with 706 cases, 6 deaths and 100 recoveries, the fatality rate will be between 1% and 6.5%."

    the ship is a very good lab to look at because a ship is isolated ...
    706 cases, 6 deaths and 100 recoveries

    706 cases, 6 dead

    !!!

    That ship is worst lab you can imagine. There i good reason why thus ship is considered as independend state - it's because it have always worst statistics and no one country wants to include stats of this ship into their national stats...

    my question is what is doing Germany different than other world, they have radically less deaths compared to number of cases

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  • @CRAKROX said:

    @rackersr said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    I find it very interesting that there is no serious conflict on this potentially cantankerous thread. I have done my best to stir the pot but no takers. If you think that this is because the world has come to its senses, think again.

    There was a hand washing poll: Republicans polled they would wash their hands half as much as Democrats. There is no sea change in Trump’s base, and Fox News, for the most part, has not altered course.

    We are, let’s face it, a very liberal group of people (at least the ones who post). The few who could be counted on to defend the Republican party line here seem to have decided it is not worth it for them to stick their necks out any longer. To us liberal thinkers it may seem like there is no opposing argument because any such arguments are indefensible or that people have changed their minds. Frankly, I doubt it. Now they just talk amongst themselves.

    1. I don’t know what is liberal about liberalism, but it isn’t based on Liberty and Rights.
    2. I’m a Libertarian, the far opposite of being a Liberal.
    3. You may be right about other, but you are absolutely right about me. It is not worth it for me to stick my neck out for the most of you... the angry liberal clueless ones who believe CO2 is bad for the planet and the world will end in 12 years, those who insist I read or watch snipe from the likes of Rachel Maddow, or anyone else on MSNBC, CNN, ... or they will turn a deaf ear... isn’t she oen of those credible sources everyone tells me about that preached Russia, Russia, Russia every single program of every single day... oops, that didn’t turn out so well. These media people lie to you every single day, I have never lied to you nor anyone else on this board, nor anywhere else, and someone thinks they have the right to question my honesty or integrity?

    Who do you think gives you that right? Only one person in this world can grant that right and that is me. I don’t grant that right to anyone... unless I lie. Then the entire world has been granted that right, and I can never even beg for it back.

    Because it’s too late for most of you. Big changes are already taking place right under your noses and you don’t even see it.
    The problem is no one here seems to be able to ask the right questions. They have you all distracted and confused and angry and panicking... frankly, it reminds me of playing Lemmings years ago...
    Most of you have been walked up to the brink of insanity by the lying media and some of you, I fear, will not be able to deal with events taking place now and in the near future.
    As far as Corona Virus... I wash my hands like always and that’s about all the thought I give to it.
    I pay more attention to flu season every year.
    4. Anyone who doesn’t understand why people avoid vaccinations hasn’t done their homework on the subject... just like “Climate Change”
    5. You state there are no opposing defensible arguments. That one made me laugh. I have no desire to engage in discourse with people who are clueless.
    6. Our President has not only saved this Country, he has saved the World. Anyone who wants to dispute that has no idea what has happened, is happening, and is going to happen. Period. Please read that again... He has already saved the World. He and many others, many who’ve lost their lives doing their part. I have done my part. Anyone who reads this has been enlightened whether or not they accept it. I am willing to speak on behalf of anyone else who understands what is happening, but has their own reasons for not posting. Perhaps the other non-liberals have better things to do than read clueless angry drivel... probably helping some other non-liberal with something or accepting help from another non-liberal... we’re just like that.
    7. Those who think they can throw vile my way like it’s going to hurt my feelings, or to shame me in some odd way, like calling me racist, or one of the many other meaningless attacks liberals try to use,... fire away. Vent all your anger out of your body if that’s what it takes, I’m a big boy, I can take it. I’ll read all of it, but there will be no more posts from me in this thread. I have a garden to get ready for planting and a thousand better things to do than be lectured by people who’ve lost the ability to think for themselves with a CRITICAL MIND!! Start asking the right questions and you’ll be surprised what you’ll learn.
    8. I will read this thread to the end as a courtesy to anyone who needs to vent.

    I still listen to you all.
    I still wish you all nothing but the best in your lives.

    And so does Donald Trump.
    And your life is going to be more remarkable than you can imagine. That’s what saddens me when I witness all this anger. Though totally justified, it is misplaced upon our President.
    It took time to change the world, and it takes time to awaken the public. If you don’t know or understand what’s happening, you can’t share in the excitement and magnitude of current events.

    Here’s a wake-up call... Have you wondered why so many top executives have resigned lately? Bill Gates resigned from Microsoft today. What is the connecting factor behind all these resignations... When the truth comes out, it will come as a flood and you’ll find out whom you have the right to direct your anger at. Warning: You will be angrier at the real culprits than you are at President Trump. Do not let it overwhelm you. Remember to have compassion along with the anger. Some people got roped into something and couldn’t find a safe way out. Pity them for being spineless and short-sighted, be angry at their upsetting deeds, and hold them accountable with a compassionate heart.

    What a load of bollocks. *shakes head and walks away laughing.

    Bollocks, that’s an understatement of the greatest magnitude. I wonder which version of his beloved leader he chooses to believe, as in most things he speaks with ‘fork tongue’.

  • edited March 2020

    @knewspeak said:

    @CRAKROX said:

    @rackersr said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    I find it very interesting that there is no serious conflict on this potentially cantankerous thread. I have done my best to stir the pot but no takers. If you think that this is because the world has come to its senses, think again.

    There was a hand washing poll: Republicans polled they would wash their hands half as much as Democrats. There is no sea change in Trump’s base, and Fox News, for the most part, has not altered course.

    We are, let’s face it, a very liberal group of people (at least the ones who post). The few who could be counted on to defend the Republican party line here seem to have decided it is not worth it for them to stick their necks out any longer. To us liberal thinkers it may seem like there is no opposing argument because any such arguments are indefensible or that people have changed their minds. Frankly, I doubt it. Now they just talk amongst themselves.

    1. I don’t know what is liberal about liberalism, but it isn’t based on Liberty and Rights.
    2. I’m a Libertarian, the far opposite of being a Liberal.
    3. You may be right about other, but you are absolutely right about me. It is not worth it for me to stick my neck out for the most of you... the angry liberal clueless ones who believe CO2 is bad for the planet and the world will end in 12 years, those who insist I read or watch snipe from the likes of Rachel Maddow, or anyone else on MSNBC, CNN, ... or they will turn a deaf ear... isn’t she oen of those credible sources everyone tells me about that preached Russia, Russia, Russia every single program of every single day... oops, that didn’t turn out so well. These media people lie to you every single day, I have never lied to you nor anyone else on this board, nor anywhere else, and someone thinks they have the right to question my honesty or integrity?

    Who do you think gives you that right? Only one person in this world can grant that right and that is me. I don’t grant that right to anyone... unless I lie. Then the entire world has been granted that right, and I can never even beg for it back.

    Because it’s too late for most of you. Big changes are already taking place right under your noses and you don’t even see it.
    The problem is no one here seems to be able to ask the right questions. They have you all distracted and confused and angry and panicking... frankly, it reminds me of playing Lemmings years ago...
    Most of you have been walked up to the brink of insanity by the lying media and some of you, I fear, will not be able to deal with events taking place now and in the near future.
    As far as Corona Virus... I wash my hands like always and that’s about all the thought I give to it.
    I pay more attention to flu season every year.
    4. Anyone who doesn’t understand why people avoid vaccinations hasn’t done their homework on the subject... just like “Climate Change”
    5. You state there are no opposing defensible arguments. That one made me laugh. I have no desire to engage in discourse with people who are clueless.
    6. Our President has not only saved this Country, he has saved the World. Anyone who wants to dispute that has no idea what has happened, is happening, and is going to happen. Period. Please read that again... He has already saved the World. He and many others, many who’ve lost their lives doing their part. I have done my part. Anyone who reads this has been enlightened whether or not they accept it. I am willing to speak on behalf of anyone else who understands what is happening, but has their own reasons for not posting. Perhaps the other non-liberals have better things to do than read clueless angry drivel... probably helping some other non-liberal with something or accepting help from another non-liberal... we’re just like that.
    7. Those who think they can throw vile my way like it’s going to hurt my feelings, or to shame me in some odd way, like calling me racist, or one of the many other meaningless attacks liberals try to use,... fire away. Vent all your anger out of your body if that’s what it takes, I’m a big boy, I can take it. I’ll read all of it, but there will be no more posts from me in this thread. I have a garden to get ready for planting and a thousand better things to do than be lectured by people who’ve lost the ability to think for themselves with a CRITICAL MIND!! Start asking the right questions and you’ll be surprised what you’ll learn.
    8. I will read this thread to the end as a courtesy to anyone who needs to vent.

    I still listen to you all.
    I still wish you all nothing but the best in your lives.

    And so does Donald Trump.
    And your life is going to be more remarkable than you can imagine. That’s what saddens me when I witness all this anger. Though totally justified, it is misplaced upon our President.
    It took time to change the world, and it takes time to awaken the public. If you don’t know or understand what’s happening, you can’t share in the excitement and magnitude of current events.

    Here’s a wake-up call... Have you wondered why so many top executives have resigned lately? Bill Gates resigned from Microsoft today. What is the connecting factor behind all these resignations... When the truth comes out, it will come as a flood and you’ll find out whom you have the right to direct your anger at. Warning: You will be angrier at the real culprits than you are at President Trump. Do not let it overwhelm you. Remember to have compassion along with the anger. Some people got roped into something and couldn’t find a safe way out. Pity them for being spineless and short-sighted, be angry at their upsetting deeds, and hold them accountable with a compassionate heart.

    What a load of bollocks. *shakes head and walks away laughing.

    Bollocks, that’s an understatement of the greatest magnitude. I wonder which version of his beloved leader he chooses to believe, as in most things he speaks with ‘fork tongue’.

    Too right, DT probably cannot even lie straight in bed he’s that dishonest.
    Still some small comfort is that he and many of his ilk over there and over here are in the high risk category so if there is a silver lining to this illness it maybe that it gets rid of a lot the old Dinosaurs so desperately trying to recreate a world that hasn’t existed for the last 50 years or so.
    Maybe the revolution doesn’t come with protests or even bullets but with a tiny little virus.

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  • @Max23 said:
    the corona test everybody is using is from Germany
    they just said so on cnn

    Maybe Germany spread the virus in china.

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  • @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:
    Herd immunity strategy (which I think is insane):

    https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-can-herd-immunity-really-protect-us-133583

    Also, anyone who knows anything about the sorts of mathematical models that the behavourial psychologists are using knows that they are incapable of modelling actual human behaviour, so relying on them is madness.

    Just an example of Johnson acknowledging via his usual delivery method of lying, that he can’t do anything, because his party have spent the last ten years running all essential services down beyond their ability to cope, even without a pandemic.

    Even if he could do anything positive, he wouldn’t.

    The UK population have been royally screwed over, and there could be half a million deaths as a result.

    It's typically shameful of them. They are cherry picking science to match their world view. I also see them doing nothing to stop panic buying (they prefer people spending money) which makes the disadvantaged even more so.

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  • @Max23 said:

    @Clueless said:

    @Max23 said:
    the corona test everybody is using is from Germany
    they just said so on cnn

    Maybe Germany spread the virus in china.

    Maybe the sun wont rise tomorrow if you wash your hair today. :D

    Who says i have hair?

  • @Carnbot said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:
    Herd immunity strategy (which I think is insane):

    https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-can-herd-immunity-really-protect-us-133583

    Also, anyone who knows anything about the sorts of mathematical models that the behavourial psychologists are using knows that they are incapable of modelling actual human behaviour, so relying on them is madness.

    Just an example of Johnson acknowledging via his usual delivery method of lying, that he can’t do anything, because his party have spent the last ten years running all essential services down beyond their ability to cope, even without a pandemic.

    Even if he could do anything positive, he wouldn’t.

    The UK population have been royally screwed over, and there could be half a million deaths as a result.

    It's typically shameful of them. They are cherry picking science to match their world view. I also see them doing nothing to stop panic buying (they prefer people spending money) which makes the disadvantaged even more so.

    They lied about liaising with store owners and food suppliers last week, confirming they’d keep products on the shelves.

    There hasn’t been a single loo roll available to buy in the nearby town for over a week. Ditto pasta, ibuprofen, handwash, and all the other stuff we need.

    And it hasn’t even properly hit yet.

    The only planning they’re doing is to shore up security, to protect the rich and stop the population from rioting.

  • @supadom said:
    To those bitching about uk government’s response to CV. The virus is here and is spreading, get used to it today and in the future. We’re living in a hyper interconnected global village and this is the price to pay. The hyper isolation would have made sense 3-4 months ago, now it is a waste of resources. You cannot effectively quarantine 50 million people for months on end.

    At this point in time (14/03/2020) keep observing common sense precautions and isolate (self isolate), support the vulnerable.

    So what are the government doing to cover the part of their plan when 80% of the ‘herd’ get sick, and hundreds of thousands require specialist care?

    China built a hospital in two weeks. Aside from a lacklustre plea to retired staff, our arsehole government don’t seem to be doing very much.

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  • @MonzoPro said:

    @supadom said:
    To those bitching about uk government’s response to CV. The virus is here and is spreading, get used to it today and in the future. We’re living in a hyper interconnected global village and this is the price to pay. The hyper isolation would have made sense 3-4 months ago, now it is a waste of resources. You cannot effectively quarantine 50 million people for months on end.

    At this point in time (14/03/2020) keep observing common sense precautions and isolate (self isolate), support the vulnerable.

    So what are the government doing to cover the part of their plan when 80% of the ‘herd’ get sick, and hundreds of thousands require specialist care?

    China built a hospital in two weeks. Aside from a lacklustre plea to retired staff, our arsehole government don’t seem to be doing very much.

    All 80% are not going to get sick especially not at the same time. People who get sick and the test negative can go back to whatever.

    Taking worse case scenario and using it as fact doesn’t help the fear and the already rising panic.

    Also it sometimes feels like bashing the government is the best past time in my social media bubble and I’m a bit sick of it and I know well all of the damage Tories have inflicted on the country in the last decade.

    I guess we’ll see soon enough what course of action was best.

    I’m most curious to see how it’s going to unfold in the states.

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    @supadom said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @supadom said:
    To those bitching about uk government’s response to CV. The virus is here and is spreading, get used to it today and in the future. We’re living in a hyper interconnected global village and this is the price to pay. The hyper isolation would have made sense 3-4 months ago, now it is a waste of resources. You cannot effectively quarantine 50 million people for months on end.

    At this point in time (14/03/2020) keep observing common sense precautions and isolate (self isolate), support the vulnerable.

    So what are the government doing to cover the part of their plan when 80% of the ‘herd’ get sick, and hundreds of thousands require specialist care?

    China built a hospital in two weeks. Aside from a lacklustre plea to retired staff, our arsehole government don’t seem to be doing very much.

    All 80% are not going to get sick especially not at the same time. People who get sick and the test negative can go back to whatever.

    Taking worse case scenario and using it as fact doesn’t help the fear and the already rising panic.

    Also it sometimes feels like bashing the government is the best past time in my social media bubble and I’m a bit sick of it and I know well all of the damage Tories have inflicted on the country in the last decade.

    I guess we’ll see soon enough what course of action was best.

    I’m most curious to see how it’s going to unfold in the states.

    This is from that article I posted earlier, there's no reason for 80% of the population to get sick:

    We can and we must do better than that. China is rapidly controlling the spread of COVID-19 without requiring herd immunity (only 0.0056% of its population has been infected). Waiting for herd immunity to COVID-19 to develop in the UK by letting the virus “pass through the community” is not a good public health strategy.

    https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-can-herd-immunity-really-protect-us-133583

    Health services in Italy were overwhelmed when much less than 1% of the population was infected. The Herd Immunity strategy is a recipe for disaster.

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    @supadom said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @supadom said:
    To those bitching about uk government’s response to CV. The virus is here and is spreading, get used to it today and in the future. We’re living in a hyper interconnected global village and this is the price to pay. The hyper isolation would have made sense 3-4 months ago, now it is a waste of resources. You cannot effectively quarantine 50 million people for months on end.

    At this point in time (14/03/2020) keep observing common sense precautions and isolate (self isolate), support the vulnerable.

    So what are the government doing to cover the part of their plan when 80% of the ‘herd’ get sick, and hundreds of thousands require specialist care?

    China built a hospital in two weeks. Aside from a lacklustre plea to retired staff, our arsehole government don’t seem to be doing very much.

    All 80% are not going to get sick especially not at the same time. People who get sick and the test negative can go back to whatever.

    Taking worse case scenario and using it as fact doesn’t help the fear and the already rising panic.

    Also it sometimes feels like bashing the government is the best past time in my social media bubble and I’m a bit sick of it and I know well all of the damage Tories have inflicted on the country in the last decade.

    I guess we’ll see soon enough what course of action was best.

    I’m most curious to see how it’s going to unfold in the states.

    The fact is, almost no-one, including most experts and even the WTO think the UK’s response has been good enough. You only have to look at how they’re handling Brexit to see what a bunch of incompetent maniacs they are.

    I’ve just read a story where European countries are ramping up production of respirators. No mention of the UK doing the same, and by now they should have produced and stockpiled thousands.

    Make me feel better. Burst my social bubble, and give me a list of positive, proactive measures the Tories have been doing to ensure there is enough ICU support for critically ill patients. Because right now we don’t even have enough toilet paper to wipe our backsides with.

    Then I can stop panicking, and feeling like part of a lethal social experiment.

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  • @MonzoPro said:

    @supadom said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @supadom said:
    To those bitching about uk government’s response to CV. The virus is here and is spreading, get used to it today and in the future. We’re living in a hyper interconnected global village and this is the price to pay. The hyper isolation would have made sense 3-4 months ago, now it is a waste of resources. You cannot effectively quarantine 50 million people for months on end.

    At this point in time (14/03/2020) keep observing common sense precautions and isolate (self isolate), support the vulnerable.

    So what are the government doing to cover the part of their plan when 80% of the ‘herd’ get sick, and hundreds of thousands require specialist care?

    China built a hospital in two weeks. Aside from a lacklustre plea to retired staff, our arsehole government don’t seem to be doing very much.

    All 80% are not going to get sick especially not at the same time. People who get sick and the test negative can go back to whatever.

    Taking worse case scenario and using it as fact doesn’t help the fear and the already rising panic.

    Also it sometimes feels like bashing the government is the best past time in my social media bubble and I’m a bit sick of it and I know well all of the damage Tories have inflicted on the country in the last decade.

    I guess we’ll see soon enough what course of action was best.

    I’m most curious to see how it’s going to unfold in the states.

    The fact is, almost no-one, including most experts and even the WTO think the UK’s response has been good enough. You only have to look at how they’re handling Brexit to see what a bunch of incompetent maniacs they are.

    I’ve just read a story where European countries are ramping up production of respirators. No mention of the UK doing the same, and by now they should have produced and stockpiled thousands.

    Make me feel better. Burst my social bubble, and give me a list of positive, proactive measures the Tories have been doing to ensure there is enough ICU support for critically ill patients. Because right now we don’t even have enough toilet paper to wipe our backsides with.

    Then I can stop panicking, and feeling like part of a lethal social experiment.

    You’re going to have to do your own research for reassurance. I can help you with the last point though. The Italians have been ahead of the curve on that front for a while. >! https://victoriaplum.com/browse/bidets?csi=EDEBIDET01&ds_kid=92700046205472765&gclid=CjwKCAjwgbLzBRBsEiwAXVIygEEir6FykYQloYF7xjXNvjWN0lLJ5PXr75GsX72_BB1PHoGwLjpC8xoCUiwQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

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    @richardyot said:

    @supadom said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @supadom said:
    To those bitching about uk government’s response to CV. The virus is here and is spreading, get used to it today and in the future. We’re living in a hyper interconnected global village and this is the price to pay. The hyper isolation would have made sense 3-4 months ago, now it is a waste of resources. You cannot effectively quarantine 50 million people for months on end.

    At this point in time (14/03/2020) keep observing common sense precautions and isolate (self isolate), support the vulnerable.

    So what are the government doing to cover the part of their plan when 80% of the ‘herd’ get sick, and hundreds of thousands require specialist care?

    China built a hospital in two weeks. Aside from a lacklustre plea to retired staff, our arsehole government don’t seem to be doing very much.

    All 80% are not going to get sick especially not at the same time. People who get sick and the test negative can go back to whatever.

    Taking worse case scenario and using it as fact doesn’t help the fear and the already rising panic.

    Also it sometimes feels like bashing the government is the best past time in my social media bubble and I’m a bit sick of it and I know well all of the damage Tories have inflicted on the country in the last decade.

    I guess we’ll see soon enough what course of action was best.

    I’m most curious to see how it’s going to unfold in the states.

    This is from that article I posted earlier, there's no reason for 80% of the population to get sick:

    We can and we must do better than that. China is rapidly controlling the spread of COVID-19 without requiring herd immunity (only 0.0056% of its population has been infected). Waiting for herd immunity to COVID-19 to develop in the UK by letting the virus “pass through the community” is not a good public health strategy.

    https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-can-herd-immunity-really-protect-us-133583

    Health services in Italy were overwhelmed when much less than 1% of the population was infected. The Herd Immunity strategy is a recipe for disaster.

    I’m not saying for people to go out and pretend nothing’s happening. If you look for ways to get infected you’ll sure find them.

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    @Max23 said:
    the only numbers that I trust come out of the EU
    and they are horrible

    do you believe what china or Iran says?
    I dont.

    No, but do you really believe anyone of them? I do not.
    It anyway does not matter. This Corona affects our lifes more than any flu ever since decades. That is a FACT!
    And yet still so much more dying because of hunger and other things.
    Does not mean to not take it serious but as usual one "actual" bad thing and everything else is forgotten. Until the "Lügenpresse" strikes again.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    I find it very interesting that there is no serious conflict on this potentially cantankerous thread. I have done my best to stir the pot but no takers. If you think that this is because the world has come to its senses, think again.

    There was a hand washing poll: Republicans polled they would wash their hands half as much as Democrats. There is no sea change in Trump’s base, and Fox News, for the most part, has not altered course.

    We are, let’s face it, a very liberal group of people (at least the ones who post). The few who could be counted on to defend the Republican party line here seem to have decided it is not worth it for them to stick their necks out any longer. To us liberal thinkers it may seem like there is no opposing argument because any such arguments are indefensible or that people have changed their minds. Frankly, I doubt it. Now they just talk amongst themselves.

    At least you’ve admitted you’re just a shit stirrer with no real intention of debating in good faith. So I’ll give you that.

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    @rackersr .... “Donald Trump has saved the world”. My friend, even Jesus Christ did not save the world.

    But thank you for posting your rant. I truly doubt you wish the best for everyone, that is just some empty phrase for you. They are empty words that those without true compassion use to pretend they are decent people. You have given up your decency out of a deep rooted fear of... well, of everything.
    You are to be pitied Mr. Racksr as at the bottom you are the victim you say everyone else is. And a practitioner of projection, just as your hero is, The victim of blind cultism, negation of facts, demonizing the other... everything the good guys (flawed tho they may be) fought for in WWII.

    It is necessary that your ideas be aired, my friend (no, you are not my friend, or anyone’s but those who slavishly agree with your twisted perceptions), so that the generally reasonable people here see the face of corruption. Of how what Is a relatively intelligent mind can transmogrify to when fear, hatred and greed are the underpinnings of a worldview. I would not be surprised at all that in your fractured conspiracy world the Jews are at the bottom of this. I challenge you to deny this and would be only slightly relieved to hear you say so. Your silence about this will be my answer, I suspect.

    Tell us more @rackersr. We need to hear your voice and peer into your mind. It is kind of like watching the Caine Mutiny, where Captain Queeg finally cracks under the strain and Humphrey Bogart’s ballbearing paranoia is revealed to the audience. Or Nicholson in “A few Good Men”. Or Gregory Peck’s humanity and decency in To Kill A Mockingbird. Audiences love these moments when blatant and self righteous bigotry, insanity and craven authoritarianism is exposed. You easily fill that bill Mr. Racksr and I applaud your performance.

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