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So this seems like climate change v2, sow confusion by amplifying disagreement within the scientific community, with the bulk taking one stance and a minority taking the other. Frame the argument around freedom, harming the economy and the western way of life, ignore all evidence to the contrary, tarnish the other side as alarmists and saboteurs, then profit.
Things that stick out for me are, even if herd immunity doesn’t get officially implemented the damage is done and we move from pandemic phase to it becoming seasonally endemic. Tories plan, by tories I mean dominic cummings who is their brain, was always heard immunity which is why even with lockdown and other measures, things were never bought under control, mixed messaging, incompetence and blaming the public.
Allowing a sars virus we know little about to run rampant, runs the risk of mutations forming, spreading widely quickly as we’ve abandoned containment and suppression strategies, what happens if a strain develops that leaves children or young adults susceptible.
Talking about shielding vulnerable groups, as that worked out so well during the first peak, its almost like these rational scientists forgot one major detail of their plan, good governance, which is lacking in both the u.s and u.k.
Having a focus on sweden, which seems strange due to sweden being a civilised society for the most part, having a balance between people, profit and quality of life, an egalitarian society. In contrast u.s and u.k are elitist societies, ran by imbeciles who think mistakes are what inferior people make, not the sort of position you want to be in during a pandemic.
Ignoring swedens neighbours, who took a different approach and had less deaths and still managed to come out of it without too much damage to the economy. Ignoring other countries ran by competent people who suppressed the first outbreak peak, have a viable identification, tracing and isolation system in place and have returned to near enough normalcy whilst being vigilant.
The main part of what the three esteemed scientists are saying even though I don’t see any peer reviewed research papers from them regarding covid-19, basically boils down to, we need to re-evaluate lockdown as it’s causing too much harm in terms of job losses, mental health, physical health and education especially the young and other vulnerable groups, all fair enough, lockdown sucks.
What’s missing is the affect having a dodgy tory government in charge is doing for people’s mental health and well being, double standards, boris’s dad and dominic cummings spring to mind. Having dumb lockdown rules, you can’t see friends or family, unless in support bubble, in their homes or even in their gardens, but you can go to the pub with 6 other people. It’s these dolts that all the scientists and others are relying on to deliver heard immunity safely, jesus wept.
Sorry, but they didn’t work in the Spanish flu either.
The main thing im confused about is that I know multi covid cases and they all were sick like for like a week and no one died or was close. "remember' im not in the news loop and I know there deaths that have happened are sad! I have no point as im im agnostic here pretty much. Besides going into debt, no meds and no jobs things are ace here haha jk! I just thought if it goes into next year it will get nutters. Ok positivity vibes and sorry if I misspoke I am Mr. Confused.
A sizeable percentage who get it will be asymptomatic and show no signs of illness at all, another big bulk will have mild illness, like the people you know, smaller percentage will have a more severe illness, which may need hospital treatment, unlucky few will have life threatening or life taking illness, which can be down to the immune system going into overdrive, lungs filling with liquid or worse, immune system going totally bananas not knowing where the virus is at, due to its stealthy nature and taking out everything it considers a threat, leading to multiple organ failure.
Problem is a small percentage of healthily young people who had asymptomatic or mild illness can develop long term problems due to organ damage, heart attacks, strokes and the like, then there is long covid too. Also heard immunity strategy could led to a situation like what happened during the flu outbreak in 1918, where the second wave mutated, become far more deadly, caught most by surprise and led to a surge of cases and fatalities in the 25-35 age range as well as the young and old, killed people in a similar way to Covid-19. We don’t know how this will all pan out yet, could stay relatively mild for most.
If people wore masks in public, but took them off in the house, what do you suppose might happen, when so many where coming back home from a moosive war that had just ended?
Here’s hoping he learns a lot about the criminal justice system next year.
He may even become the leading expert on how best to doctor up Ramen and instant covfefe.
BIGLY!!!
"In a comprehensive study published in 1921, Warren T. Vaughn declared “the efficacy of face masks is still open to question.” The problem was human behavior: Masks were used until they were filthy, worn in ways that offered little or no protection, and compulsory laws did not overcome the “failure of cooperation on the part of the public.” Vaughn’s sobering conclusion: “It is safe to say that the face mask as used was a failure.”
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200508.769108/full/
so as I said before
"social distancing, masks, better hygiene."
That’s not a valid conclusion. The information you have presented does not show the rate of mask usage, nor does it show actual numbers. In addition, San Francisco is the anomaly here - it is subject to entirely different weather conditions on the West Coast than the other cities on the Eastern Seaboard.
“...almost identical” is subjective and meaningless in the context of this very incomplete data.
I'm at 2 tiers of ignore now and it's really lowering my blood pressure. That should get me through to the election and stay fit enough to vote physically if needed.
OK... Covid news. Globally we're close to 10% with an IRF around 0.3%. This is with massive efforts at containment and huge economic impacts. We could open up and trade a higher IFR and overrun the
capacity to provide care for those that need it in the "developed" nations where the response has become a political football game. I like the fact that football in this metaphor doesn't disclose the
actual game involved.
Go United.
In my expert opinion I believe it's very possible for the up coming election to have a great impact on how the Trump Karma Virus is addressed no matter whom the victor is in the outcome of this contest. Speaking of contest I remain uncertain of the Atty. General William Barr's contribution to the act of legitimizing the electoral process and getting the election off the ground without a hitch on Election Day however I do know this, I would never want to face the Atty. General in a Limbo contest.
Trump is demanding he can work from the Oval Office.
They are letting him do it but anyone entering must wear full PPE (gown, face shield, gloves, mask and
rubber waders). Just like the protocol for abducting ET. Does this mean "He's contagious?". Duh.
But videos will be created to show he's working and on the phone 24x7 running the world.
I hope these people can swim... there's another Trump "Dunk the Boats" event on tap:
Water does NOT kill Covid-19. At least they're outdoors and nautically distancing.
There may be a way to halt the spread of Covid at the White House:
Best way to get rid of parasites
Extremely well said.
@Mark B
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/07/why-herd-immunity-strategy-is-regarded-as-fringe-viewpoint?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
that article sums it up very well..
“We know that immunity to coronaviruses wanes over time and reinfection is possible, so lasting protection of vulnerable individuals by establishing herd immunity is very unlikely to be achieved in the absence of a vaccine,” said Rupert Beale, a group leader at the Francis Crick Institute in London. He called the declaration “wishful thinking”, not least because it is impossible to fully identify who is vulnerable and it is not possible to fully protect them.
Infection rates in the UK reveal that as new cases rise in one age group, they spill over into older groups, and from there drive up numbers of people in hospital and, ultimately, deaths. “Individual scientists may reasonably disagree about the relative merits of various interventions, but they must be honest about the feasibility of what they propose,” Beale said.
William Hanage, a professor of epidemiology at Harvard, likens the strategy to protecting antiques in a house fire by putting them all in one room, standing guard with a fire extinguisher but simultaneously fanning the flames.
“If the blaze outside the room were adequately controlled then maybe, just maybe, they would be able to stamp out all the embers,” he said. “But this approach is to actively encourage the fire. The risk is that too many sparks make it through and all you’re left with is ashes.”
Another concern many scientists raise is the impact on the young and healthy. While the risk of death is low in people under 40, infection can still expose them to long-term complications that healthcare could be left dealing with for decades, Hanage said. “Quite large numbers of younger people are already becoming infected at present, whether or not they are being encouraged, and there are consequences to those infections.”
Bless that fly...
May it last 27 more days...
For those who perhaps might have missed it:
From what I understand, flies are only attracted to the biggest pieces of shit.
@SNystrom said:
Congratulations on your Photoshop skills, @Receptor!
You have a huge career ahead of you! 🤗
Sadly none of those people are running for any office.
So sad!
Hmmmm.
How Interesting. Your account was created in the past seven days, and your one and only post was on this thread.
What instrument do you play???
Flesh flute?
Dumbass Donnie must be in very deep trouble.
Oh yeah, down by double digits in all the polls...
If thine eye offend thee... use "ignore". I'm not throwing out the baby with the bath water.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for. thee that one of thy members should perish, and. not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matthew 5:29AM after a hard night of drinking wine with the disciples.
"Make another round Jesus." - Matt
"I think you've had enough and I need you to keep your eyes in the morning tho' I know you'll feel like Hell." - X
I don’t care how heated it gets here. I still wish you all good health, happiness and fun Audiobus adventures!