OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

kobamoto

I have my doubts in whether or not the terrorist in Michigan have seen this video or not?
if not for the country, shouldn't they at least be willing to stand down and stand by for the sake of their families?

JohnnyGoodyear

Interesting parallel with The Plague....nicely done.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-09-05/coronavirus-pandemic-camus-plague-novel

Mark B

@charalew said:

@mister_rz said:
So this seems like climate change v2, sow confusion by amplifying disagreement within the scientific community, with the bulk taking one stance and a minority taking the other. Frame the argument around freedom, harming the economy and the western way of life, ignore all evidence to the contrary, tarnish the other side as alarmists and saboteurs, then profit.

Things that stick out for me are, even if herd immunity doesn’t get officially implemented the damage is done and we move from pandemic phase to it becoming seasonally endemic. Tories plan, by tories I mean dominic cummings who is their brain, was always heard immunity which is why even with lockdown and other measures, things were never bought under control, mixed messaging, incompetence and blaming the public.

Allowing a sars virus we know little about to run rampant, runs the risk of mutations forming, spreading widely quickly as we’ve abandoned containment and suppression strategies, what happens if a strain develops that leaves children or young adults susceptible.

Talking about shielding vulnerable groups, as that worked out so well during the first peak, its almost like these rational scientists forgot one major detail of their plan, good governance, which is lacking in both the u.s and u.k.

Having a focus on sweden, which seems strange due to sweden being a civilised society for the most part, having a balance between people, profit and quality of life, an egalitarian society. In contrast u.s and u.k are elitist societies, ran by imbeciles who think mistakes are what inferior people make, not the sort of position you want to be in during a pandemic.

Ignoring swedens neighbours, who took a different approach and had less deaths and still managed to come out of it without too much damage to the economy. Ignoring other countries ran by competent people who suppressed the first outbreak peak, have a viable identification, tracing and isolation system in place and have returned to near enough normalcy whilst being vigilant.

The main part of what the three esteemed scientists are saying even though I don’t see any peer reviewed research papers from them regarding covid-19, basically boils down to, we need to re-evaluate lockdown as it’s causing too much harm in terms of job losses, mental health, physical health and education especially the young and other vulnerable groups, all fair enough, lockdown sucks.

What’s missing is the affect having a dodgy tory government in charge is doing for people’s mental health and well being, double standards, boris’s dad and dominic cummings spring to mind. Having dumb lockdown rules, you can’t see friends or family, unless in support bubble, in their homes or even in their gardens, but you can go to the pub with 6 other people. It’s these dolts that all the scientists and others are relying on to deliver heard immunity safely, jesus wept.

This is exactly what's going on. It's the Tobacco playbook and the Climate Change playbook all over again. Business interests threatened by government action which impacts their profits. They know they can't win the argument because the balance of scientific evidence is just too overwhelming. But you can always find/fund some White Coats to make your case and cast enough doubt to delay, reduce or prevent the action necessary to protect society as a whole.

This is brilliantly documented in this excellent BBC series.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l7q1/episodes/downloads

@Mark B this is the agenda you're supporting, either intentionally or unwittingly...

You don’t understand what is really happening

knewspeak

@Mark B said:

@charalew said:

@mister_rz said:
So this seems like climate change v2, sow confusion by amplifying disagreement within the scientific community, with the bulk taking one stance and a minority taking the other. Frame the argument around freedom, harming the economy and the western way of life, ignore all evidence to the contrary, tarnish the other side as alarmists and saboteurs, then profit.

Things that stick out for me are, even if herd immunity doesn’t get officially implemented the damage is done and we move from pandemic phase to it becoming seasonally endemic. Tories plan, by tories I mean dominic cummings who is their brain, was always heard immunity which is why even with lockdown and other measures, things were never bought under control, mixed messaging, incompetence and blaming the public.

Allowing a sars virus we know little about to run rampant, runs the risk of mutations forming, spreading widely quickly as we’ve abandoned containment and suppression strategies, what happens if a strain develops that leaves children or young adults susceptible.

Talking about shielding vulnerable groups, as that worked out so well during the first peak, its almost like these rational scientists forgot one major detail of their plan, good governance, which is lacking in both the u.s and u.k.

Having a focus on sweden, which seems strange due to sweden being a civilised society for the most part, having a balance between people, profit and quality of life, an egalitarian society. In contrast u.s and u.k are elitist societies, ran by imbeciles who think mistakes are what inferior people make, not the sort of position you want to be in during a pandemic.

Ignoring swedens neighbours, who took a different approach and had less deaths and still managed to come out of it without too much damage to the economy. Ignoring other countries ran by competent people who suppressed the first outbreak peak, have a viable identification, tracing and isolation system in place and have returned to near enough normalcy whilst being vigilant.

The main part of what the three esteemed scientists are saying even though I don’t see any peer reviewed research papers from them regarding covid-19, basically boils down to, we need to re-evaluate lockdown as it’s causing too much harm in terms of job losses, mental health, physical health and education especially the young and other vulnerable groups, all fair enough, lockdown sucks.

What’s missing is the affect having a dodgy tory government in charge is doing for people’s mental health and well being, double standards, boris’s dad and dominic cummings spring to mind. Having dumb lockdown rules, you can’t see friends or family, unless in support bubble, in their homes or even in their gardens, but you can go to the pub with 6 other people. It’s these dolts that all the scientists and others are relying on to deliver heard immunity safely, jesus wept.

This is exactly what's going on. It's the Tobacco playbook and the Climate Change playbook all over again. Business interests threatened by government action which impacts their profits. They know they can't win the argument because the balance of scientific evidence is just too overwhelming. But you can always find/fund some White Coats to make your case and cast enough doubt to delay, reduce or prevent the action necessary to protect society as a whole.

This is brilliantly documented in this excellent BBC series.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l7q1/episodes/downloads

@Mark B this is the agenda you're supporting, either intentionally or unwittingly...

You don’t understand what is really happening

We have given away all our freedom to the New World Order, just so we can wear masks?

Mark B

@knewspeak said:

@Mark B said:

@charalew said:

@mister_rz said:
So this seems like climate change v2, sow confusion by amplifying disagreement within the scientific community, with the bulk taking one stance and a minority taking the other. Frame the argument around freedom, harming the economy and the western way of life, ignore all evidence to the contrary, tarnish the other side as alarmists and saboteurs, then profit.

Things that stick out for me are, even if herd immunity doesn’t get officially implemented the damage is done and we move from pandemic phase to it becoming seasonally endemic. Tories plan, by tories I mean dominic cummings who is their brain, was always heard immunity which is why even with lockdown and other measures, things were never bought under control, mixed messaging, incompetence and blaming the public.

Allowing a sars virus we know little about to run rampant, runs the risk of mutations forming, spreading widely quickly as we’ve abandoned containment and suppression strategies, what happens if a strain develops that leaves children or young adults susceptible.

Talking about shielding vulnerable groups, as that worked out so well during the first peak, its almost like these rational scientists forgot one major detail of their plan, good governance, which is lacking in both the u.s and u.k.

Having a focus on sweden, which seems strange due to sweden being a civilised society for the most part, having a balance between people, profit and quality of life, an egalitarian society. In contrast u.s and u.k are elitist societies, ran by imbeciles who think mistakes are what inferior people make, not the sort of position you want to be in during a pandemic.

Ignoring swedens neighbours, who took a different approach and had less deaths and still managed to come out of it without too much damage to the economy. Ignoring other countries ran by competent people who suppressed the first outbreak peak, have a viable identification, tracing and isolation system in place and have returned to near enough normalcy whilst being vigilant.

The main part of what the three esteemed scientists are saying even though I don’t see any peer reviewed research papers from them regarding covid-19, basically boils down to, we need to re-evaluate lockdown as it’s causing too much harm in terms of job losses, mental health, physical health and education especially the young and other vulnerable groups, all fair enough, lockdown sucks.

What’s missing is the affect having a dodgy tory government in charge is doing for people’s mental health and well being, double standards, boris’s dad and dominic cummings spring to mind. Having dumb lockdown rules, you can’t see friends or family, unless in support bubble, in their homes or even in their gardens, but you can go to the pub with 6 other people. It’s these dolts that all the scientists and others are relying on to deliver heard immunity safely, jesus wept.

This is exactly what's going on. It's the Tobacco playbook and the Climate Change playbook all over again. Business interests threatened by government action which impacts their profits. They know they can't win the argument because the balance of scientific evidence is just too overwhelming. But you can always find/fund some White Coats to make your case and cast enough doubt to delay, reduce or prevent the action necessary to protect society as a whole.

This is brilliantly documented in this excellent BBC series.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l7q1/episodes/downloads

@Mark B this is the agenda you're supporting, either intentionally or unwittingly...

You don’t understand what is really happening

We have given away all our freedom to the New World Order, just so we can wear masks?

Don't worry about it. Your new way of living is already prepared and is being put in place. Enjoy.

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knewspeak

A> @Max23 said:

btw. Europe is experiencing the 2nd wave now.
numbers of new infections are way to high for my taste.

(but it looks like way less people fall over this time.
that may not mean much as there is much more testing now and people behave different)

stay with your ass at home, kids.

That’s because it’s been driven by youngsters who are least at risk of dying, but it could still give more long lasting side effects in regards to their health, also they can spread the virus to more elderly, which will drive up hospital admissions, which is really the indicator of a second wave.

charalew

@Mark B said:

@charalew said:

@mister_rz said:
So this seems like climate change v2, sow confusion by amplifying disagreement within the scientific community, with the bulk taking one stance and a minority taking the other. Frame the argument around freedom, harming the economy and the western way of life, ignore all evidence to the contrary, tarnish the other side as alarmists and saboteurs, then profit.

Things that stick out for me are, even if herd immunity doesn’t get officially implemented the damage is done and we move from pandemic phase to it becoming seasonally endemic. Tories plan, by tories I mean dominic cummings who is their brain, was always heard immunity which is why even with lockdown and other measures, things were never bought under control, mixed messaging, incompetence and blaming the public.

Allowing a sars virus we know little about to run rampant, runs the risk of mutations forming, spreading widely quickly as we’ve abandoned containment and suppression strategies, what happens if a strain develops that leaves children or young adults susceptible.

Talking about shielding vulnerable groups, as that worked out so well during the first peak, its almost like these rational scientists forgot one major detail of their plan, good governance, which is lacking in both the u.s and u.k.

Having a focus on sweden, which seems strange due to sweden being a civilised society for the most part, having a balance between people, profit and quality of life, an egalitarian society. In contrast u.s and u.k are elitist societies, ran by imbeciles who think mistakes are what inferior people make, not the sort of position you want to be in during a pandemic.

Ignoring swedens neighbours, who took a different approach and had less deaths and still managed to come out of it without too much damage to the economy. Ignoring other countries ran by competent people who suppressed the first outbreak peak, have a viable identification, tracing and isolation system in place and have returned to near enough normalcy whilst being vigilant.

The main part of what the three esteemed scientists are saying even though I don’t see any peer reviewed research papers from them regarding covid-19, basically boils down to, we need to re-evaluate lockdown as it’s causing too much harm in terms of job losses, mental health, physical health and education especially the young and other vulnerable groups, all fair enough, lockdown sucks.

What’s missing is the affect having a dodgy tory government in charge is doing for people’s mental health and well being, double standards, boris’s dad and dominic cummings spring to mind. Having dumb lockdown rules, you can’t see friends or family, unless in support bubble, in their homes or even in their gardens, but you can go to the pub with 6 other people. It’s these dolts that all the scientists and others are relying on to deliver heard immunity safely, jesus wept.

This is exactly what's going on. It's the Tobacco playbook and the Climate Change playbook all over again. Business interests threatened by government action which impacts their profits. They know they can't win the argument because the balance of scientific evidence is just too overwhelming. But you can always find/fund some White Coats to make your case and cast enough doubt to delay, reduce or prevent the action necessary to protect society as a whole.

This is brilliantly documented in this excellent BBC series.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l7q1/episodes/downloads

@Mark B this is the agenda you're supporting, either intentionally or unwittingly...

You don’t understand what is really happening

Please do enlighten us then @Mark B - what is really happening?

chocobitz825

@Mark B said:

@knewspeak said:

@Mark B said:

@charalew said:

@mister_rz said:
So this seems like climate change v2, sow confusion by amplifying disagreement within the scientific community, with the bulk taking one stance and a minority taking the other. Frame the argument around freedom, harming the economy and the western way of life, ignore all evidence to the contrary, tarnish the other side as alarmists and saboteurs, then profit.

Things that stick out for me are, even if herd immunity doesn’t get officially implemented the damage is done and we move from pandemic phase to it becoming seasonally endemic. Tories plan, by tories I mean dominic cummings who is their brain, was always heard immunity which is why even with lockdown and other measures, things were never bought under control, mixed messaging, incompetence and blaming the public.

Allowing a sars virus we know little about to run rampant, runs the risk of mutations forming, spreading widely quickly as we’ve abandoned containment and suppression strategies, what happens if a strain develops that leaves children or young adults susceptible.

Talking about shielding vulnerable groups, as that worked out so well during the first peak, its almost like these rational scientists forgot one major detail of their plan, good governance, which is lacking in both the u.s and u.k.

Having a focus on sweden, which seems strange due to sweden being a civilised society for the most part, having a balance between people, profit and quality of life, an egalitarian society. In contrast u.s and u.k are elitist societies, ran by imbeciles who think mistakes are what inferior people make, not the sort of position you want to be in during a pandemic.

Ignoring swedens neighbours, who took a different approach and had less deaths and still managed to come out of it without too much damage to the economy. Ignoring other countries ran by competent people who suppressed the first outbreak peak, have a viable identification, tracing and isolation system in place and have returned to near enough normalcy whilst being vigilant.

The main part of what the three esteemed scientists are saying even though I don’t see any peer reviewed research papers from them regarding covid-19, basically boils down to, we need to re-evaluate lockdown as it’s causing too much harm in terms of job losses, mental health, physical health and education especially the young and other vulnerable groups, all fair enough, lockdown sucks.

What’s missing is the affect having a dodgy tory government in charge is doing for people’s mental health and well being, double standards, boris’s dad and dominic cummings spring to mind. Having dumb lockdown rules, you can’t see friends or family, unless in support bubble, in their homes or even in their gardens, but you can go to the pub with 6 other people. It’s these dolts that all the scientists and others are relying on to deliver heard immunity safely, jesus wept.

This is exactly what's going on. It's the Tobacco playbook and the Climate Change playbook all over again. Business interests threatened by government action which impacts their profits. They know they can't win the argument because the balance of scientific evidence is just too overwhelming. But you can always find/fund some White Coats to make your case and cast enough doubt to delay, reduce or prevent the action necessary to protect society as a whole.

This is brilliantly documented in this excellent BBC series.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l7q1/episodes/downloads

@Mark B this is the agenda you're supporting, either intentionally or unwittingly...

You don’t understand what is really happening

We have given away all our freedom to the New World Order, just so we can wear masks?

Don't worry about it. Your new way of living is already prepared and is being put in place. Enjoy.

New way of life in japan means sanitizing your hands and wearing a mask when entering a business. It means avoiding gathering too many people in confined spaces, but there are no real limits otherwise. So people go to the park, and there’s a push for tourism within Japan to start again within guidelines. Businesses are encouraging working from home. Concerts and sporting events are coming back with limited capacity to start, but gradual push toward full capacity if possible.

Testing has increased, and better treatments for symptoms have been found. For cases that don’t need hospitalization, hotels were set aside for people to quarantine in. Keeping the hospitalized numbers and death rates under control allows for life to get back to normal. We bit the bullet early, followed the rules and now we’re working back, instead of prolonging suffering by getting into arguments over the rules. The government has plans to provide the vaccine for free to everyone via the national health insurance, and we’re all just working through this.

It’s not at all as horrible as the troubles I’m hearing about in parts of Europe and the US.

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kobamoto

@Mark B said:

@knewspeak said:

@Mark B said:

@charalew said:

@mister_rz said:
So this seems like climate change v2, sow confusion by amplifying disagreement within the scientific community, with the bulk taking one stance and a minority taking the other. Frame the argument around freedom, harming the economy and the western way of life, ignore all evidence to the contrary, tarnish the other side as alarmists and saboteurs, then profit.

Things that stick out for me are, even if herd immunity doesn’t get officially implemented the damage is done and we move from pandemic phase to it becoming seasonally endemic. Tories plan, by tories I mean dominic cummings who is their brain, was always heard immunity which is why even with lockdown and other measures, things were never bought under control, mixed messaging, incompetence and blaming the public.

Allowing a sars virus we know little about to run rampant, runs the risk of mutations forming, spreading widely quickly as we’ve abandoned containment and suppression strategies, what happens if a strain develops that leaves children or young adults susceptible.

Talking about shielding vulnerable groups, as that worked out so well during the first peak, its almost like these rational scientists forgot one major detail of their plan, good governance, which is lacking in both the u.s and u.k.

Having a focus on sweden, which seems strange due to sweden being a civilised society for the most part, having a balance between people, profit and quality of life, an egalitarian society. In contrast u.s and u.k are elitist societies, ran by imbeciles who think mistakes are what inferior people make, not the sort of position you want to be in during a pandemic.

Ignoring swedens neighbours, who took a different approach and had less deaths and still managed to come out of it without too much damage to the economy. Ignoring other countries ran by competent people who suppressed the first outbreak peak, have a viable identification, tracing and isolation system in place and have returned to near enough normalcy whilst being vigilant.

The main part of what the three esteemed scientists are saying even though I don’t see any peer reviewed research papers from them regarding covid-19, basically boils down to, we need to re-evaluate lockdown as it’s causing too much harm in terms of job losses, mental health, physical health and education especially the young and other vulnerable groups, all fair enough, lockdown sucks.

What’s missing is the affect having a dodgy tory government in charge is doing for people’s mental health and well being, double standards, boris’s dad and dominic cummings spring to mind. Having dumb lockdown rules, you can’t see friends or family, unless in support bubble, in their homes or even in their gardens, but you can go to the pub with 6 other people. It’s these dolts that all the scientists and others are relying on to deliver heard immunity safely, jesus wept.

This is exactly what's going on. It's the Tobacco playbook and the Climate Change playbook all over again. Business interests threatened by government action which impacts their profits. They know they can't win the argument because the balance of scientific evidence is just too overwhelming. But you can always find/fund some White Coats to make your case and cast enough doubt to delay, reduce or prevent the action necessary to protect society as a whole.

This is brilliantly documented in this excellent BBC series.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l7q1/episodes/downloads

@Mark B this is the agenda you're supporting, either intentionally or unwittingly...

You don’t understand what is really happening

We have given away all our freedom to the New World Order, just so we can wear masks?

Don't worry about it. Your new way of living is already prepared and is being put in place. Enjoy.

all the right wing could find was an empty pizza shop, but they couldn't even find jeffery Epstein's island... btw who killed jeffery epstein was it Q, or was jeffery Epstein Q, and what happened to the last time we gave away all our freedom, and the last time our new way of living was already prepared?..... when are we gonna get that video from the end of this flat earth that was promised and how come none those 100 day prophecies have come true yet, it's already been a hundred days a hundred times and is this president and duck dynasty the best they can come up with...look, I think I just saw Elvis!!!

No donald!... why?.... because the constitution donald!

I gotta real conspiracy for ya, I found evidence of how William Barr was able to lower the bar of justice in this country so easily ......... he practiced...

McD

Based in White House spokesperson interviews on Fox it's clear Trump has NOT tested
negatively yet. And Fauci says he needs to test negative 2 times spaced 24 hours apart
before being a non-spreader.

Yet he's trying to set up live events for the weekend. Sunday night would be the earliest
potential date for a safe event and only if it's announced that he tested negative tomorrow.

gregsmith

@charalew said:

@Mark B said:

@charalew said:

@mister_rz said:
So this seems like climate change v2, sow confusion by amplifying disagreement within the scientific community, with the bulk taking one stance and a minority taking the other. Frame the argument around freedom, harming the economy and the western way of life, ignore all evidence to the contrary, tarnish the other side as alarmists and saboteurs, then profit.

Things that stick out for me are, even if herd immunity doesn’t get officially implemented the damage is done and we move from pandemic phase to it becoming seasonally endemic. Tories plan, by tories I mean dominic cummings who is their brain, was always heard immunity which is why even with lockdown and other measures, things were never bought under control, mixed messaging, incompetence and blaming the public.

Allowing a sars virus we know little about to run rampant, runs the risk of mutations forming, spreading widely quickly as we’ve abandoned containment and suppression strategies, what happens if a strain develops that leaves children or young adults susceptible.

Talking about shielding vulnerable groups, as that worked out so well during the first peak, its almost like these rational scientists forgot one major detail of their plan, good governance, which is lacking in both the u.s and u.k.

Having a focus on sweden, which seems strange due to sweden being a civilised society for the most part, having a balance between people, profit and quality of life, an egalitarian society. In contrast u.s and u.k are elitist societies, ran by imbeciles who think mistakes are what inferior people make, not the sort of position you want to be in during a pandemic.

Ignoring swedens neighbours, who took a different approach and had less deaths and still managed to come out of it without too much damage to the economy. Ignoring other countries ran by competent people who suppressed the first outbreak peak, have a viable identification, tracing and isolation system in place and have returned to near enough normalcy whilst being vigilant.

The main part of what the three esteemed scientists are saying even though I don’t see any peer reviewed research papers from them regarding covid-19, basically boils down to, we need to re-evaluate lockdown as it’s causing too much harm in terms of job losses, mental health, physical health and education especially the young and other vulnerable groups, all fair enough, lockdown sucks.

What’s missing is the affect having a dodgy tory government in charge is doing for people’s mental health and well being, double standards, boris’s dad and dominic cummings spring to mind. Having dumb lockdown rules, you can’t see friends or family, unless in support bubble, in their homes or even in their gardens, but you can go to the pub with 6 other people. It’s these dolts that all the scientists and others are relying on to deliver heard immunity safely, jesus wept.

This is exactly what's going on. It's the Tobacco playbook and the Climate Change playbook all over again. Business interests threatened by government action which impacts their profits. They know they can't win the argument because the balance of scientific evidence is just too overwhelming. But you can always find/fund some White Coats to make your case and cast enough doubt to delay, reduce or prevent the action necessary to protect society as a whole.

This is brilliantly documented in this excellent BBC series.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l7q1/episodes/downloads

@Mark B this is the agenda you're supporting, either intentionally or unwittingly...

You don’t understand what is really happening

Please do enlighten us then @Mark B - what is really happening?

Whatever is going on, BUILD BACK BETTER is a terrible slogan. What does it even mean? Since when have we ‘built back’?

McD

@gregsmith said:
Whatever is going on, BUILD BACK BETTER is a terrible slogan.

After "Be Best" using an alliteration based on B's in a bad idea.

What does it even mean? Since when have we ‘built back’?

But here's what I think the message is:

Trump destroyed most large government institutions by putting people in charge that
were open about wanting to dismantle he organization. Oil Exec at EPA, Religious fanatic
in charge of Education, Brain Surgeon for Housing as a campaign pay-back. So, Bidenis signaling putting these organization back on their intended mission. That's the meaning
of "Build Back" and in the end have them be even "Better" than before Trump.

Sloppy slogan but "It is what it is."

It's also a twist on "Make America Great Again"... go back to a better country after
a misguided Administration. Same message from the other side of the spectrum.
Mirrors come from splitting the country down to a 60-40 split. Trump only has one play.
And it won't be pretty to watch. Someone will be hurt and many will be arrested.

charalew

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/10/09/climate-science-denial-network-behind-great-barrington-declaration/

kobamoto

freedom fries, pandemic mask rejection, mandatory pick up trucks, mandatory sh*tty coffee, voter suppression, having no clue of what defines American citizenship, the war on education, belief in the easter bunny but not in science, not accepting the fact that black, white, brown, red, and yellow are just different pigmentations of one race not different races.... fck these people.

McD

@kobamoto said:
fck these people.

They're not too keen on that either. And God Forbid you have an unwanted pregnancy because "God has spoken. Congratulations."

kobamoto

if they'd rather have corona virus than have Cory freakin booker live in their little suburb then they can kindly keep the virus and please don't take up any of the medical resources that people with actual respect for other human beings need when it comes time to save you... don't try to get help from the very healthcare that you are trying to take away from other people m/fr

charalew

So much for Herd Immunity then

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

This puts all the Great Barrington nonsense to bed

zeropoint

@charalew said:
So much for Herd Immunity then

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

This puts all the Great Barrington nonsense to bed

Yeah, really should, considering there have been 38 million documented cases and only 5 known re-infections. That’s a 1 in 8 million chance. Yeah that should put pay to alternative strategies alright

So much for rational perspective then....

charalew

@zeropoint said:

@charalew said:
So much for Herd Immunity then

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

This puts all the Great Barrington nonsense to bed

Yeah, really should, considering there have been 38 million documented cases and only 5 known re-infections. That’s a 1 in 8 million chance. Yeah that should put pay to alternative strategies alright

So much for rational perspective then....

As the article says, thats because we're still in the early stages and so there hasn't been that much time for immunity to wane yet. Even a handful of cases is a counterfactual to the Herd Immunity theory because it shows that people can get reinfected. The most likely scenario seems to be that we can expect a lot more reinfections unless there's something very specific about the individuals that were reinfected.

If you want a rational perspective read this.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/10/continual-local-lockdowns-answer-covid-control?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The author argues against continually relying exclusively lockdowns and also against the Herd Immunity approach.

It's a very compelling analysis by a recognised expert in the field and has certainly changed my perspective. It goes beyond the binary pro-Lockdown/anti-Lockdown debate (I mean none of us actually WANT Lockdowns it's just the least worst option...) and argues for rational management of the Pandemic as successfully demonstrated by a number of other countries.

I read it expecting to disagree with it but it's certainly changed my perspective because I wasn't aware of the extent to which life could effectively return to something like normal if you happen to live in a country with a competent government.

kobamoto

If you want a rational perspective don't vote for a pathological liar.

McD

@kobamoto said:
If you want a rational perspective don't vote for a pathological liar.

My vote dropped into the box yesterday in an official County Elections Commissioner's
Collection Box. Now I wait.

It cracks me up that GOP politicians want to show that Election Hacking is a real thing...
by hacking this election in plain sight:

• putting out bogus collection boxes (no disclosure if they would they sort and re-file the ballots collected)

• encouraging their supports to just vote twice to "test the system" (they would then be breaking the law but could refer to the President suggesting they do it as a defense and the judges have been packed with GOP biased candidates)

• implying main-in ballots (which will strain the system and delay the results) are defective and should be tossed after Nov 3rd.

If Trump wins... it's rigged. He's polluted his own possibility of being the winner without
throwing suspicion over the outcome. He knows he's toast and we're watching a cornered Rat throw everything at survival. This will not end well.

charalew

@zeropoint said:

@charalew said:
So much for Herd Immunity then

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

This puts all the Great Barrington nonsense to bed

Yeah, really should, considering there have been 38 million documented cases and only 5 known re-infections. That’s a 1 in 8 million chance. Yeah that should put pay to alternative strategies alright

So much for rational perspective then....

Dutch woman becomes first person to die after two Covid-19 infections

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/coronavirus-covid-19-reinfection-death-holland-b1021190.html

mister_rz

@charalew said:

@zeropoint said:

@charalew said:
So much for Herd Immunity then

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

This puts all the Great Barrington nonsense to bed

Yeah, really should, considering there have been 38 million documented cases and only 5 known re-infections. That’s a 1 in 8 million chance. Yeah that should put pay to alternative strategies alright

So much for rational perspective then....

Dutch woman becomes first person to die after two Covid-19 infections

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/coronavirus-covid-19-reinfection-death-holland-b1021190.html

Irony in all this is the anti-lockdown, anti-mask people are going to make lockdowns more inevitable, as people become more complacent, cases rise, hospitals get overwhelmed and we’re back in lockdown.

We could of set up a good testing, tracking and trace system, after the first peak, but instead, boris let the market decide and the market decided to take the money and run, would of been better to put the money into the nhs and let the pro’s deal with it and cheaper too.

McD

With a single payer plan the person being taxed foots the bill.
In the US it creates market opportunities for the Health Services industry and stock soar.

We are so screwed. But this election might help re-balance the power spectrum and make the conservatives actually act "conservatively" and not like raging capitalists eager to sweep all the chips into their bucket and fuck all. Conservatives used to value long term planning and expertise. They are still out there as an underserved community to build a base with.

Somewhere there's a conservative that sees the value of optimized socialism, right? Pass the joint.

JohnnyGoodyear

audiblevideo

Pardon my language

knewspeak

@charalew said:
So much for Herd Immunity then

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

This puts all the Great Barrington nonsense to bed

It would also mean that a single one time vaccine would probably not work, the vaccine would have to change with the emergence of new strains.

mister_rz

Interesting visualisation has been doing the rounds on aerosol spread, made me feel a little strange.