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@zeropoint yes, that’s clearly whack. In the U.S., where the Corona virus testing is still being setup, there’s clearly been a steep exponential curve in the number of confirmed cases. Hopefully a significant number of people have changed their behavior.
But seriously folks... we are NOT all going to die. It will be a single fraction (most likely). The survivors will have the right to wonder why we spent so much time and effort overreacting. Some are starting early.
But 1-2% might be worth some small amount of disruption, IMHO. Still, 2 out of 100 and likely someone you don't know or care about. Especially if you don't like 99 out of 100 to begin with.
It's all in the numbers... except for the suffering and all that mess to clean up. Smart money will making a killing on the upside of this all. They are probably doing well shorting impacted industries on the way down too. Smart money... that's the times we live in. Corporations are people and people are disposable.
I'm on a role... LOL.
I personally appreciated yr graphical explanogram.. though i think the Bollox ( governmentally speaking ) will be exponentially much larger as the graph timeline extends.. and the ‘peaky’ ( cringeworthy scottish euphemism ) will be, as ever, slightly smaller than advertised..
now...if only we could introduce some flaccidity into the equation 🤔
Thanks. Not so reliable at the moment. Has old figure for UK deaths for example...21 was saturday’s number
Antarctica is looking nice this time of year..
None of the numbers are meaningful without some greater context. There are some good articles out there about how to deduce the likely actual infections from the published data. The method varies by locale. I.e. the U.S data is so incomplete that one uses a different methodology from somewhere like South Korea.
Well when Trump attains the vaccine but treats only those in the US, then waits several months till the rest of the world is crippled economically, then he sells it to the rest of the world at exorbitant price, then hell' be able to claim to his followers that he was the man who did actually save the world and thus should stay in power for the the 20 years, then after 20 years he will hand the presidency to Ivanka. See he;s not so dumb after all, he's got it all planned out for the Trump family to rule the world for infinity.
Love my mom but she actually thinks that the coronavirus is a tool to have Trump removed from office. That they tried everything else and if this doesn’t work they’ll just shoot him.
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Is your mum a TV presenter by any chance?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-trump-fox-business-trish-regan-removed-impeachment-conspiracy-a9403011.html
@mungbeans, Trump has no overall plan. He plays checkers one move at a time. Now he is thinking about martial law and how that will be a great way to consolidate his power.
It is a sad time to be an American. It’s hard to forget what Germany was up to eighty years ago, but I certainly commend the generosity of the German govt (if it’s true) and the irony of showing up the crassness (remember that jolly old Roman Crassus?) of the folks in power in the USSA. You know his base will applaud him for attempting such a shrewd maneuver. Brilliant, simply brilliant. But in the eyes of the world, if that matters to you, we fall and fall and fall. Until we are all at his level, all vulgarity and all bullshit.
@LinearLineman. It wasn't a serious comment.
Nope, but now I know where she got that nonsense from
There%’s truth in every joke @mungbeans.
Not really
@espiegel123, we disagree on that one, my friend. Especially on Mr. Mungbean’s. Totally plausible.
@AudioGus and @richardyot : re the video that a user posted in a thread that was deleted. I mistakenly posted my comment about in the thread for real information about battling Coronavirus and meant to post my comment here.
It was qanon level stuff. I didn’t watch the whole 8 minute post. I wish I knew whether it was posted with the intent of riling people up and hoping it would be deleted..so that the poster could demonstrate that the rest of us are intolerant (which I is why I wish it had been left up so that the poster can’t use deletion as proof of the conspiracy by “the libs and globalists” to shut him down). I would have liked for him to have had to defend his point of view.
I already explained where my conclusions are drawn from . Yes I have a massive distrust of the media and if you don’t then I’m afraid your being naive..... There are far more things at play here than just this epidemic .... I always have and will continue to use my common sense to keep my loved ones safe ..... What I have issues with :
This happens every year ........I keep mentioning 650,000 people die each year from flu ...... we have nowhere near that number yet and I don’t think we will .....
The public drive to wash hands etc alone will have made a massive impact if just 1 person in 10 actually adopts a better hygiene routine ..
Keep reminding everyone to do da and the numbers will get better ...
As for your experts ,
You will always find a long line of experts willing to give their view if it gets them on tv ......
You only have to look at global events where experts are called in to legitimise invasions or coups ......
Local council office workers here are being asked to swap jobs, and do essential care work instead as those services were already cut to the bone, and Brexit has hit recruitment. Naturally senior management won't have to do this.
Mrs Monzo who has been on temporary contracts for the past 6 years, not knowing from one year to the next if she has a job has declined this generous offer.
Brexit, the racist gift that keeps on giving.
You don’t have to trust “the media” to read things written by scientists and analyze it. If you analyze it and find flaws, point out the actual flaws.
Is the media any source? There are plenty of articles out there by experts themselves and not “the media”. Read them. Analyze them.
You keep saying no one has responded about the flu deaths. I did. And the topic is covere in articles I’ve linked to. If I wrote a detailed response would you read it carefully or is your mind closed. I am happy to dialog with you about interpreting the data.
A great Hannah Arendt quote seems suitable:
A mixture of gullibility and cynicism had been an outstanding characteristic of mob mentality before it became an everyday phenomenon of masses. In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything is possible and that nothing was true. From "The Origins of Totalitarianism" (1951)
One thing is clear. If the extreme measures we are taking prevent the epidemic from being deadly, the pandemic-doubters will tell us that we were manipulated by the media and the nameless forces of evil. They won’t understand that the extreme measures did what they were supposed to do.
They don’t realize that China had to shit down a huge portion of its economy to keep the death toll down and get it under control and that Italy’s death toll wasn’t worse because they shit the country down.
Yeah, things aren’t turning out to be the worst-case: BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING EXTREME MEASURES. The fact that pretty much every country is taking such measures is not because some puppet masters want to shit down the world’s economies. These things are happening because the price of not acting would be horrible,
A little scary. The doubters will rant at us that they were right and that this was no big deal. Trump will take a victory lap and re-tweet conspiracy theorists.
The same is true of the anti-vaxxers. The only reason they live in a world where they can imagine that vaccines are essential is because they live in a world with vaccines.
To those people: you’re welcome.
I have an IT friend who says he did a bunch of work before Y2K, some of which actually freaked him out a little that he saw he clearly had to get done. So in his mind the panic was real and the eye rolling after sent him into a bit of a spiral of 'But, but, but...'
You can't reason with a crackpot, nothing will ever convince them they are wrong, especially not actual evidence. His original post in this thread confirms that it is indeed QAnon that he is peddling, he constantly alludes to the conspiracy theory without actually ever being specific about what it alleges (probably due to a subconscious fear of ridicule).
QAnon is a neo-nazi death cult. Apparently "critical thinking" means believing some far-fetched anonymous postings on 8Chan instead of every other media outlet in existence - there is no reasoning against that kind of logic. These people have deluded themselves that they have the key to secret information the rest of us are missing, and nothing will convince them otherwise, even when the many predictions made by the mythical "Q" never come to pass.
They are currently claiming that the long-predicted "Storm" is currently underway, and that the pandemic is a diversion from that. Of course they will be proved wrong in the very near future but their beliefs will just pivot and move on to the next phase of their bullshit.
That Trump knowingly dog-whistles to these people is the scariest thing about all this.