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stop detracting.... what are the two sides Donald trump is talking about, who were the two sides that were against each other?...... There was only two sides right, you believe your president don't you,he doesn't tell lies right? ok he didn't say 5 sides, he said two... tell the truth who were the two sides?.... do you need a reminder?
I’ve done my best here and honestly you’re just getting irritating. I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.
good lets leave it at that then because the denial of reality is no part of an honest discussion
We do agree on that!
well that's a start
check out the second vid, they talk allot about those monuments, but I see no fine people.
anyways it's important for the rest of the forum members to know that outside of this topic, you've always been one of my fav people on the forum.
A Not So Fun fact: the monuments in question honor traitors to the U.S. whose actions resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of young men in the service of preserving the right of white people to own black people as property.
Plus many statues were erected in the late 1800s/early 1900s as a 'spite' response to African Americans gaining their freedom and gaining more rights as citizens. Plus the Confederates are/were still pissed for loosing the Civil War.
OK, @robertreynolds, let's go to the transcript.
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
This equivocation — that somehow this is a lie that Trump is contorting himself over and over to not say a bad thing about neo-Nazis — has become this total gaslighting bullshit of the Trump supporter. There's not some grave misinterpretation of what he's saying. And that caveat? That additional "on both sides"? That's him admitting that maybe the people protesting the neo-Nazis might also be fine people.
I'm not sure if anyone has any info on this but I'm curious , the president has many businesses outside of the United States including in china, has he brought back any of his businesses in foreign countries back to the United States as part of his America first initiative, like he's asked of other American businesses... second question has anybody heard of any of his businesses like his clothing businesses in china making the much needed medical mask/wear that is so needed in the US?
Trump has had zero experience being a leader. You imagine he sprung like Athena from the forehead of Zeus? Or maybe you think he is another Joan of Arc? Trump does not know how to lead. He has no training in it, except as a rabble rouser. He does not appeal, ever, to the finer things in our natures. Do you want your children, Robert, to grow up and be like Trump? Please tell me the truth on this one. Of course you won’t answer, just as you will not state what your beliefs really are. You stand on the periphery, and portray with coldness your personal political calculus. You never back it up with your personal experience or a feeling.
I know you have them, Robert. You once expressed concern for your family.
“Liberals see an undisciplined, uneducated America that resorts to violence and racism. Trump sees an America that comes together during hard times.” Really. Robert? What evidence do you show for this divisive and fawning statement?
Let me reconstruct for you... “Republicans (conservatives?) see an undisciplined, uneducated America that resorts to fake news and lack of nationalistic pride. Trump sees his opportunity to further his own political and financial ends by demonizing anyone who opposes him.” I offer the same evidence for this as you have. Oh, and about a thousand video clips showing Trump dealing himself self inflicted wounds. Only now he is bloody handed.... but, you can be sure, like Lady Macbeth, he is washing his hands regularly.
Any good news on that old virus business? Did you guys get round to watching telly during the lockdown?
Actually, once I'm done taking the mickey out of the whole room and bring you all together with the intent of beating me with a stick, I seriously recommend the above. I think it was a good chunk ahead of its time in some ways and was also predictive. And silly. And works for both sides of the divide. At least I think it does. AND a good watch.
You’re drunk again, aren’t you 😉
But the rest of the world doesn’t ffs.
You never disappoint @robertreynolds. You don’t want your kids to be like Trump, now do you? 250,000 infected, 6000 dead and Trump says the Federal government and he himself is a “backup”. The Federal government is actually bidding against states for medical supplies. No leadership from our self anointed “wartime president”. But we do have the best infection rate. 😉
Isn't this needlessly personal? I would rather we talked about ideas and policy responses rather than personal digs at each other.
BTW it has to be said that calling the travel ban racist was a needlessly dumb knee-jerk reaction. The travel ban was one of the few things Trump got right.
And it's also perfectly fair to criticise the WHO for their initial advice, and for their continuing stance on mask-wearing.
Same goes for Di Blasio and Cuomo for their early response to the crisis, but at least they woke up to the problem way earlier than Trump.
And of course China can't be trusted about anything, they're an authoritarian police state.
Every individual, and every institution, should be judged according to their actions, and not along partisan lines.
fo shizzle Goodyizzle
I agree. This thread is intended to vent about pandemic public responses. This thread has
come close to the edge of political meltdown several times but it's still useful to let people voice their rage and frustration.
Please just let people take aim where they see their targets. We will never agree but it's good to see how others are interpreting the news. We'll need this thread when the virus starts to get closer and impacts us on a more personal level.
When we or someone we loves get the virus and there's no room in the healthcare system
to help them though to recovery. May will be the soul care provider knowing they don't have any protective equipment.
@richardyot, I think asking what a member’s philosophy is behind his statements or if he thinks our president is a role model for his kids is not a dig. Calling a member repeatedly a drunk? Well, maybe. But I am not offended. Btw, our great and empathetic wartime general just refused to open the Affordable Care Act to multitudes who have just lost their jobs and their health insurance. Inspiring leadership!
Also, FEMA has requested 100,000 body bags. I guess the Governors will not have to engage in a bidding war for those. Thank the lord for the thoughtful folks who have given us catastrophe. Maybe the bags can be cut up for ppe.
I think it's a mistake to view people who we disagree with politically as evil, or having evil motivations. I'm on the left, on the Sanders/AOC end of the spectrum, but I don't think (most) conservatives are evil - they just see the world differently to the way I do.
Evangelicals passionately believe that most US liberals are evil, because of the support for abortion. Where one side sees a collection of cells in a placenta, the other side sees a human being. And of course both sides believe they have the moral high ground. How you view the world, what you believe, these things lead to profoundly different political beliefs. Also, we are all subject to confirmation bias.
This is something I agree with from the Trump administration: the pandemic is exposing some of the flaws of globalism, with fragile international supply chains and the outsourcing of jobs.
Doesn't it make sense for countries to protect and nurture their own key industries? To manufacture domestically, and thereby create jobs, which improve people's lives, and make a nation more able to withstand a crisis? Neoliberalism and the worship of the market has devastated communities in the US and UK by destroying manufacturing jobs, yet it's the populist right rather than the centre-left that is finally kicking back against it. This is something that both Sanders and Trump would agree with, but Biden and Pelosi would not.
But then of course there is this idiocy. Putting Jared in charge is not going to end well...
More food for thought: The US legislated the biggest stimulus response to the virus in the world, yet also had the biggest spike in unemployment. How did they manage that? 🤔
In most countries one of the main purposes of the fiscal injection was to preserve jobs (ie UK and Denmark), in the US it seems that the aim was to save shareholders.
I think you have your answer @richardyot
Senators in the US (both parties) own a lot of shares. A LOT. Probably coincidence.
This notion that Biden called the limited and too-late (Jan. 31 if I recall) limited travel restrictions (it was not a full ban) racist is mischaracterizing what he said. The right-wing blogosphere portrays it that way but that isn’t what was said.
There is a lot of missing context in how people portray what Biden said.
There was I thinking it was big business that owned lots of politicians.
I like this.
I think that's a semantic argument, Biden called the travel restrictions "xenophobic" and "hysterical". It was a bad call
No the US President is an outrageous fucking racist. Full Stop.