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OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

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  • @kobamoto said:
    don't even worry about it Rocky, you weren't being personal so I didn't take it that way and you were being specific, I agree with much of what you've said actually but the crux of the issue is that no matter how we look at it change doesn't come from the oppressor, it doesn't come from the perpetrators of injustice or inequality so it's 'the peoples' responsibility, if 'the people' actually care is a whole other question, personally I think we are too busy to really care, to busy blaming the media and anything else we can set our eyeballs on.. President Trump and his supporters are like that scorpion on the back of the turtle crossing the river.... they don't care if they don't have healthcare as long as they can make it so you don't, they don't care if Trump starts a war in the Middle East, as long as 22% of the military looks like you they'll gladly chalk up the rest to collateral damage, they don't care how many lies he tells to the American people because they don't believe that half of the American people are 'real Americans' anyway ....

    ok.. sorry @kobamoto , i didn’t see your reply until now.. all good, and thanks for taking the time to reply, clear language always takes a lot more effort than one would imagine...
    i’m in the uk but just noticing this Kushner son-in-law with his ‘sesame street’ calculator is now doing the sums!! that’s not going to lower anybodies blood pressure..

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @McD I am not trying to “fix” anyone. That is unnecessary and fruitless. Unsupported arguments (and I make them myself sometimes) are simply biased remarks disguised as some kind of proof. Evidence of Trump’s malfeasance is well... self evident.

    Watch Birx cringe and slither away when Trump makes lame innuendo concerning “models”. He is, unfortunately, beyond reproach. And those with intelligence who support him still... well, they always knew he knew it was a pandemic from the beginning... sooner, in fact, than anyone else.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-trump-having-sex-with-models-coronavirus-20200403-ilwjqelgvfg2xpfgttv4kafbdu-story.html

    He’s talking about possibly hundreds of thousands Americans dying and he can’t resist interrupting himself to joke that he knows another kind of model (heh-heh).

    That’s horrible enough.

    But the fact that Dr. Birx starts to move out of the frame before he delivers the line suggests he made that joke before, when he was being briefed on what to say, and she knew what was coming.

    It’s astonishing that not ONE Republican or Fox commentator will call him out for this.

    I don’t know what to say.

  • @Halftone said:
    ... still no word on Mark Watt (Spacecraft dev)???
    It’s been awhile.

    that’s a good point... i emailed him personally quite a while ago.. nothing.. hope he’s just distracted convalescing..

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @McD I am not trying to “fix” anyone.

    That's how I see the conflict pattern.

    That is unnecessary and fruitless.

    I agree and would like you to break the cycle.

    Unsupported arguments (and I make them myself sometimes) are simply biased remarks disguised as some kind of proof. Evidence of Trump’s malfeasance is well... self evident.

    Got it. That's your trigger event. What you then try to do is get someone to see their view as unsupported by you facts. And when they won't it escalates. We all have ideological blind spots and often will not concede any ground on our position in a contest of wills.

    Watch Birx cringe and slither away when Trump makes lame innuendo concerning “models”. He is, unfortunately, beyond reproach. And those with intelligence who support him still... well, they always knew he knew it was a pandemic from the beginning... sooner, in fact, than anyone else.

    There it is... "someone shows illogical behavior" and you use a "fact" ("they always knew he knew it was a pandemic from the beginning"). They had a blind spot to the consequences
    assuming the models were fear mongering.

    Anyway... we all have patterns in our behaviors that repeat over and over leading to repeated outcomes in a loop.

    I'll pass. I'm looking for clues to improve my odds and the odds of my kids and their kids.
    That best we can do is try to improve the odds in a time of risk.

    Keep your head down. People are rarely intentionally evil with some exceptions.

  • “Got it. That's your trigger event. What you then try to do is get someone to see their view as unsupported by you facts. And when they won't it escalates. We all have ideological blind spots and often will not concede any ground on our position in a contest of wills.”

    This is where you go wrong, IMO, McD. I am not trying to get the subject to see the falsity of his statements. I am attempting to demonstrate to others, with evidence, that what others occasionally say is just plain false. And it feels better to point this out when appropriate than to stay silent. Let the reader draw his or her own conclusions,

    I love you, McD, but you are not inside my head. Nor do you want to be!

  • @LinearLineman said:
    I appreciate the apology @robertreynolds. We are all going a little nuts. Let’s call a truce till this is over, then we can continue poking holes in each other. One more example why this forum is a cut above. Pace. 😉

    Deal. Hope you and yours are well. Cheers, RR

  • How does "Do you want your children, Robert, to grow up and be like Trump?" (which was asked more than once) comply with "I am not trying to get the subject to see the falsity of his statements."

    We don't need to change forum members but we should have a thread to vent against public persons that are doing more damage than good... we won't agree who's in that list but we can still get it out as passionately as possible.

    When the tables are turned on you with "alternate facts" using s similar approach it just escalates.

    I'm not in your head... but I can read and see patterns in behaviors.

    I just got off the phone with my daughter who's household is unraveling over a step-teenager that wants to break up her marriage and keep the house. Never a dull moment.
    The teenager just broke her foot and is headed to the ER and my kid has Graves Disease
    which destroys the immune system. Good times. Just shoot me. Most of this drama is self-inflicted but that doesn't make it less painful. We can't handle uncertainty... it just brings out the worst in us.

  • Forever reblog out there in the other world, but worth remembering for all of us now I guess. Not because of the point politically, but because of how rarely the meaning is ever eventually the meaning etc...

    When people call you a “snowflake” just remember they’re quoting Fight Club, a satire written by a gay man about how male fragility causes men to destroy themselves, resent society, and become radicalized, and that Tyler Durden isn’t the hero but a personification of the main character’s mental illness, and that his “snowflake” speech is a dig at how fascists use dehumanizing language to breed loyalty from insecure people. So basically people who say “snowflake” as an insult are quoting a domestic terrorist who blows up skyscrapers because he’s insecure about how good he is in bed.

    Source(s): Multiple

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Forever reblog out there in the other world, but worth remembering for all of us now I guess. Not because of the point politically, but because of how rarely the meaning is ever eventually the meaning etc...

    When people call you a “snowflake” just remember they’re quoting Fight Club, a satire written by a gay man about how male fragility causes men to destroy themselves, resent society, and become radicalized, and that Tyler Durden isn’t the hero but a personification of the main character’s mental illness, and that his “snowflake” speech is a dig at how fascists use dehumanizing language to breed loyalty from insecure people. So basically people who say “snowflake” as an insult are quoting a domestic terrorist who blows up skyscrapers because he’s insecure about how good he is in bed.

    Source(s): Multiple

    :D

  • edited April 2020

    @McD said:
    How does "Do you want your children, Robert, to grow up and be like Trump?" (which was asked more than once) comply with "I am not trying to get the subject to see the falsity of his statements."

    We don't need to change forum members but we should have a thread to vent against public persons that are doing more damage than good... we won't agree who's in that list but we can still get it out as passionately as possible.

    When the tables are turned on you with "alternate facts" using s similar approach it just escalates.

    I'm not in your head... but I can read and see patterns in behaviors.

    I just got off the phone with my daughter who's household is unraveling over a step-teenager that wants to break up her marriage and keep the house. Never a dull moment.
    The teenager just broke her foot and is headed to the ER and my kid has Graves Disease
    which destroys the immune system. Good times. Just shoot me. Most of this drama is self-inflicted but that doesn't make it less painful. We can't handle uncertainty... it just brings out the worst in us.

    Exactly. Uncertainty is the the single corrosive element at the end of most books.

    In other news; good luck.

  • this president /fool is lying to you right now, his face hole is like the portal from the movie in the mouth of madness

  • @RockySmalls said:

    @kobamoto said:
    don't even worry about it Rocky, you weren't being personal so I didn't take it that way and you were being specific, I agree with much of what you've said actually but the crux of the issue is that no matter how we look at it change doesn't come from the oppressor, it doesn't come from the perpetrators of injustice or inequality so it's 'the peoples' responsibility, if 'the people' actually care is a whole other question, personally I think we are too busy to really care, to busy blaming the media and anything else we can set our eyeballs on.. President Trump and his supporters are like that scorpion on the back of the turtle crossing the river.... they don't care if they don't have healthcare as long as they can make it so you don't, they don't care if Trump starts a war in the Middle East, as long as 22% of the military looks like you they'll gladly chalk up the rest to collateral damage, they don't care how many lies he tells to the American people because they don't believe that half of the American people are 'real Americans' anyway ....

    ok.. sorry @kobamoto , i didn’t see your reply until now.. all good, and thanks for taking the time to reply, clear language always takes a lot more effort than one would imagine...
    i’m in the uk but just noticing this Kushner son-in-law with his ‘sesame street’ calculator is now doing the sums!! that’s not going to lower anybodies blood pressure..

    :) well no worries, you know Jared solved the Middle East peace crisis right, so he's batting a thousand right about now....

  • Can we kill this thread already? @Michael anyone?

  • @reasOne said:
    i don’t really understand the sarcasm when people say that “the death rate is low, calm down its all lies” “ the flu kills way more people “... if 4000 people have died that’sa big deal imo thats a lot of people that had lives yesterday and now they don’t, regardless of how many people die from something else or how many people exist on the planet. idk its just frustrating, maybe because you don’t personally know those people you can brush it off but to discount it as meh it’s a small number really is sad 🤷🏻‍♂️ so that’s my frustration.
    also i am on the “dont panic” team but maybe the economy isn’t as important as my fellow humans lives and we need to lock down a bit more and save those hospital beds.
    think about the 1000s of homeless people in LA and when it reaches them how terrible that’s going to be, a lot of them are defenseless and have no where to go

    Was watching news about the homeless in la today 😳 and how not just homeless but a large % of Americans don’t have medical insurance so are screwed 😥 I hope this proves once and for all we can never allow our NHS to be privatised

  • edited April 2020

    This is an interesting map from a couple of years ago (2018). I had only previously considered it as regards the electoral college, but now thinking of it and proximity and the virus...

  • @iOSTRAKON said:
    Can we kill this thread already? @Michael anyone?

    Just ignore it. I think it's a healthy outlet =)

  • Wish I could but every other other thread is covid this or that.

    Need one outlet that is Corona free :)

    @Michael said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Can we kill this thread already? @Michael anyone?

    Just ignore it. I think it's a healthy outlet =)

  • @iOSTRAKON said:
    Can we kill this thread already? @Michael anyone?

    Why? People can ignore the thread easily enough.

    For the most part, people have been civil-ish. With only a few exceptions, folks have avoided the name-calling that kills a lot of OT threads -- and there was even amount of contrition when someone apologized for being out of line.

  • There’s a ignore thread button?

    @espiegel123 said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Can we kill this thread already? @Michael anyone?

    Why? People can ignore the thread easily enough.

    For the most part, people have been civil-ish. With only a few exceptions, folks have avoided the name-calling that kills a lot of OT threads -- and there was even amount of contrition when someone apologized for being out of line.

  • You can also unfollow the Off-Topic category here, by tapping the gear beside each category except Off-Topic and selecting "Follow", then tapping "View" at the top of the screen on the main page and selecting "Following".

  • @iOSTRAKON said:
    There’s a ignore thread button?

    @espiegel123 said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Can we kill this thread already? @Michael anyone?

    Why? People can ignore the thread easily enough.

    For the most part, people have been civil-ish. With only a few exceptions, folks have avoided the name-calling that kills a lot of OT threads -- and there was even amount of contrition when someone apologized for being out of line.

    By ignore, I meant that people can see the thread listed and choose to ignore it (i.e. not read the thread).

    I can see shutting down threads when they turn into nasty, escalating slag-fests, but there have been moments of actual communication interspersed amongst the venting.

  • Meh, I don’t see that it’s productive.

    I’m very aware that I can bypass reading a thread but it’s there at the top everyday /in your face/.

    Sucks that I’d have to unfollow a whole sub category to erase this reminder.

    Would be cool to have a musical sanctuary

    @espiegel123 said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    There’s a ignore thread button?

    @espiegel123 said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Can we kill this thread already? @Michael anyone?

    Why? People can ignore the thread easily enough.

    For the most part, people have been civil-ish. With only a few exceptions, folks have avoided the name-calling that kills a lot of OT threads -- and there was even amount of contrition when someone apologized for being out of line.

    By ignore, I meant that people can see the thread listed and choose to ignore it (i.e. not read the thread).

    I can see shutting down threads when they turn into nasty, escalating slag-fests, but there have been moments of actual communication interspersed amongst the venting.

  • All one has to do is choose to ignore it.

    I just skim through it now and then but since a week or so ago it’s almost all american content, and I’m simply not interested in that, so I just jump to the end unless something normal appears, which it hasn’t until this question arose.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    This is an interesting map from a couple of years ago (2018). I had only previously considered it as regards the electoral college, but now thinking of it and proximity and the virus...

    Woah

  • @iOSTRAKON said:
    Meh, I don’t see that it’s productive.

    I’m very aware that I can bypass reading a thread but it’s there at the top everyday /in your face/.

    Sucks that I’d have to unfollow a whole sub category to erase this reminder.

    Would be cool to have a musical sanctuary

    I'm sorry (for you) that you don't find this to be largely so. But it's voluntary and reflects life, mostly the better parts of it to be honest. Do try perhaps just to ignore as best as you're able, because, in the main, it is all supposed to be fun.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    This is an interesting map from a couple of years ago (2018). I had only previously considered it as regards the electoral college, but now thinking of it and proximity and the virus...

    I wonder how this correlates to the spread of the virus.

  • @iOSTRAKON said:
    it’s there at the top everyday /in your face/.

    Most threads lost on the forum for 48 hours max. This one persists not because it's being read but because people are engaging in the opportunity to vents about the state of the world. It an outlet.

    The quality of the dialogue is a function of the Forum's membership being (generally) a respectful (if highly opinionated) group.

    But I get you pain. I grew to despise that daily dose of Drambo speculations and anxiety.

    So here is what I did. I selected the STAR on the posts of interest and started hitting the BOOKMARKS option below categories. Then I would check periodically for new items by just using the normal full stream page. I also would barbel a few pages deep to see if I needed to favorite and interesting threads. When I grew tired of a thread I would just un-STAR it.

    Worked great to keep crap "out of my face". Try it. You'll like it. It's not a lot of work to scan and hit STAR.

    So. Sayonara hall monitor. We're angry and need to point out the rot at the top.
    You're angry and policing the behavior of the victims.

    It is a miracle this thread hasn't spiraled out of control but the crap we're discussing really does matter this time.

    By the way... I now have STAR's on half-a-dozen Drambo threads. Really good stuff about how to make music and control a truly game changing IOS app.

    The Drambo thread was also not without some controversy and nay saying.

  • @iOSTRAKON said:
    Meh, I don’t see that it’s productive.

    I’m very aware that I can bypass reading a thread but it’s there at the top everyday /in your face/.

    Sucks that I’d have to unfollow a whole sub category to erase this reminder.

    Would be cool to have a musical sanctuary

    @espiegel123 said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    There’s a ignore thread button?

    @espiegel123 said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Can we kill this thread already? @Michael anyone?

    Why? People can ignore the thread easily enough.

    For the most part, people have been civil-ish. With only a few exceptions, folks have avoided the name-calling that kills a lot of OT threads -- and there was even amount of contrition when someone apologized for being out of line.

    By ignore, I meant that people can see the thread listed and choose to ignore it (i.e. not read the thread).

    I can see shutting down threads when they turn into nasty, escalating slag-fests, but there have been moments of actual communication interspersed amongst the venting.

    actually you fit right in here, this thread is for venting and that is what you're doing.

  • He's still bragging about banging fashion models? At 73? During a discussion about the Covid-19 death rate models? Sounds about right. Really appropriate.

    “The models show hundreds of thousands of people are going to die and you know what I want to do? I want to come way under the model,” he said. “The professionals did the models and I was never involved in a model. At least this kind of a model.”

  • edited April 2020

    @kobamoto said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Meh, I don’t see that it’s productive.

    I’m very aware that I can bypass reading a thread but it’s there at the top everyday /in your face/.

    Sucks that I’d have to unfollow a whole sub category to erase this reminder.

    Would be cool to have a musical sanctuary

    @espiegel123 said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    There’s a ignore thread button?

    @espiegel123 said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    Can we kill this thread already? @Michael anyone?

    Why? People can ignore the thread easily enough.

    For the most part, people have been civil-ish. With only a few exceptions, folks have avoided the name-calling that kills a lot of OT threads -- and there was even amount of contrition when someone apologized for being out of line.

    By ignore, I meant that people can see the thread listed and choose to ignore it (i.e. not read the thread).

    I can see shutting down threads when they turn into nasty, escalating slag-fests, but there have been moments of actual communication interspersed amongst the venting.

    actually you fit right in here, this thread is for venting and that is what you're doing.

    Quick, let me look down the back of the sofa where I keep the ten thousand bonus points for when I suddenly need them... :)

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