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OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

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  • @knewspeak said:
    No the US President is an outrageous fucking racist. Full Stop.

    Most countries are now restricting travel because of the pandemic.

  • @richardyot : Trump is not opposed to globalism. The GOP make big t> @richardyot said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @richardyot said:
    BTW it has to be said that calling the travel ban racist was a needlessly dumb knee-jerk reaction. The travel ban was one of the few things Trump got right.

    And it's also perfectly fair to criticise the WHO for their initial advice, and for their continuing stance on mask-wearing.

    Same goes for Di Blasio and Cuomo for their early response to the crisis, but at least they woke up to the problem way earlier than Trump.

    And of course China can't be trusted about anything, they're an authoritarian police state.

    Every individual, and every institution, should be judged according to their actions, and not along partisan lines.

    This notion that Biden called the limited and too-late (Jan. 31 if I recall) limited travel restrictions (it was not a full ban) racist is mischaracterizing what he said. The right-wing blogosphere portrays it that way but that isn’t what was said.

    There is a lot of missing context in how people portray what Biden said.

    I think that's a semantic argument, Biden called the travel restrictions "xenophobic" and "hysterical". It was a bad call :)

    No. It wasn’t semantic. Short version: the travel restrictions (which weren’t a ban) were announced on Jan. 31. At that point, the virus was not restricted to China. Trump’s limited restrictions were considered ill-advised by public health experts because the virus was traveling around the world already. Trump’s statements and actions at the time were generally seen as being more focused on demonizing China than taking effective needed actions to prevent an outbreak here.

    Biden’s comments were not particular to the travel restrictions but were a comment on the general use of xenophobia that Trump was using (and has used throughout his tenure in politics).

    Public health folks were pointing out that at that time focusing attention on China was unhelpful since the virus was already spreading, and they were right. If he wanted an effective travel ban, it would not have been focused on keeping solely Chinese nationals from entering the U.S.

    There was no restriction on Americans traveling from China. Americans were just as capable of bringing the virus with them as Chinese nationals.

  • @richardyot said:

    @knewspeak said:
    No the US President is an outrageous fucking racist. Full Stop.

    Most countries are now restricting travel because of the pandemic.

    True, but Donald Trump is still a racist. China virus, jibe after jibe from his filthy port hole.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    No. It wasn’t semantic. Short version: the travel restrictions (which weren’t a ban) were announced on Jan. 31. At that point, the virus was not restricted to China. Trump’s limited restrictions were considered ill-advised by public health experts because the virus was traveling around the world already. Trump’s statements and actions at the time were generally seen as being more focused on demonizing China than taking effective needed actions to prevent an outbreak here.

    Biden’s comments were not particular to the travel restrictions but were a comment on the general use of xenophobia that Trump was using (and has used throughout his tenure in politics).

    Public health folks were pointing out that at that time focusing attention on China was unhelpful since the virus was already spreading, and they were right. If he wanted an effective travel ban, it would not have been focused on keeping solely Chinese nationals from entering the U.S.

    There was no restriction on Americans traveling from China. Americans were just as capable of bringing the virus with them as Chinese nationals.

    I totally agree on the inconsistency of Trump's policy, for example imposing travel restrictions on China but not South Korea is totally illogical, and then initially excluding the Uk from the European travel ban etc... And of course aside from travel bans Trump has totally bungled the response, however I do think that Biden's criticism was ill-advised. Let's agree to differ on that one.

  • @richardyot, I never said anyone was evil. It’s a rather inflammatory statement. Robert and I disagree. He never presents evidence or sources. It’s his opinions I disagree with not his inherent goodness or evil. Many Trump lovers, I fear, will wake up with loved ones dead. Then they will have to ask themselves the question did Trump have a part in this? It will be a come to Jesus moment for some and others will just blame the Chinese, the Democrats, foreigners and Asian Americans.

    Anyway, I call it like I see it, but I refrain from calling anyone a soulless prick.

  • "Sir, you can't call him a pig fucker!?"

    "Let's make him deny it..."

  • @JohnnyGoodyear ... sucks to your ass-mar, Piggy! 😳😉😘

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @JohnnyGoodyear ... sucks to your ass-mar, Piggy! 😳😉😘

    Right up her ass! :p (can I play too?)

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    @Max23 said:
    I can only repeat myself.
    If Trump gets re-elected the people deserve him.

    Alas, it's not that simple. Republicans across the country are actively working and implementing policies to restrict people from voting easily. They're also terrified - absolutely demonstrating cowardice - of mail in voting because more people will be able to vote - and they'll lose in a lot of places. With so much voter suppression in many places, the Republicans win.

    Add to that the antiquated and flawed Electoral College, which means that people in states like CA have a fractional "value" vs. those in less populated states, such that it's actually multiple people = 1 vote in CA, and, again, the Republicans get a boost.

    Add to that the propaganda arm of the Republicans, FOX, which lies daily to it's viewers, and the Republicans get a boost.

    All that said, all of it is changeable by The People. If We chose and act.

  • @AudioGus, sure, everyone is welcome to the virtual barbecue!

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    Trump "closing the border" to China at the end of January really didn't do anything beneficial. It was WAY too late at that point (and they knew that) - weeks too slow to make a difference. It was already spreading in the cities so connected to Asia: Seattle, SF, LA, NY, etc. Which means, since those cities are so connected to the rest of the US, that it would inevitably spread everywhere without prompt and dramatic action. The White House and members of Congress knew what was coming - did the governors? I suspect not. Which also slowed things down and has killed, and will kill, so many more people.

    As with anything that seems like it might benefit others - Trump was just posturing for effect. To try and make himself look better. Everything he does is a lie and everything is intended for his personal benefit. He has no empathy, no sympathy, nothing except himself. He's a coward and a bully. And he's willfully killed tens of thousands of Americans - so far. Because he's such a coward, he'll never do anything but slide and wriggle around to try and change reality after the fact. I suspect he'll claim he's amazing because "only" hundreds of thousands die (from his ineptitude) from the "China Flu" instead of millions that died from the Spanish Flu. Never mind that if he was a strong, capable leader dedicated to public service rather than himself, that he could've lead the federal and state governments to act quickly and decisively to mitigate this disaster that's destroying the country.

  • @vitocorleone123, he already has said he has prevented millions of deaths. Now Kushner says the ppe stockpile is empty and it was never intended for public usage in the first place... just meant to be used within the federal government.

  • ... still no word on Mark Watt (Spacecraft dev)???
    It’s been awhile.

  • @richardyot said:
    I think it's a mistake to view people who we disagree with politically as evil.

    RANT TIME... if you see yourself maligned in this analysis you might be the problem.
    It takes introspection to see your place in history and believe in the sanctity of all life.
    Compassion and empathy are selfless traits and should be embraced as the best possible
    point of view. That's my belief system. We all share this world and deserve fair treatment and not to be treated as the "other" who is somehow a lesser being.

    Not really. It has it's place in public discourse. Some people will not accept the premise that
    "all people are created equal". I believe that political philosophy of a superior class
    is fair game for a rant and singling out individuals when they expose their beliefs of a superior class of people is important in a rant. It's a root cause and comes from
    IMHO a character defect they stems from a lack of empathy. They exhibit their bias as
    a pure defense of "values". And they often use attacks when confronted that claim they are the victims when their philosophy of public life has a deep moral flaw.

    If more Germans had rejected Hitler's views it could have changed history in significant ways. But 2020 is always so easy. We all must make choices about or leaders. Accepting there are "good people on both sides" seems reasonable but it makes the question of
    immoral views irrelevant. We all have a right to our opinions? No. We are all subject to the
    judgement of society: try to have a moral basis for leadership that serves the greater good.

    Evangelicals passionately believe that most US liberals are evil

    Exactly. They have the "believer" vs everyone else nature of a superior class of people.
    They are saved and pure. I heard an evangelical thank God for the fact that non-believers would suffer eternal damnation. They deserved the worst possible imaginable fate and he
    was thankful God would exact such a judgement because he was powerless to do that himself in this world. But it was clear he would have supported a leader that would rain down Hell on Earth and just skip the waiting. Believe or face your God... now.

    Thankfully, most evangelicals turned to a message of Christ-like behaviors and put the
    other 2 chaps in the back room. These churches grew rapidly and in the recent years have turned to a philosophy of personal enrichment by buying more "God Shares". Less finger pointing and God became an investment strategy. It still mines a total lack of empathy and uses the realities of the holy dollar to exact it's punishment on the lesser classes who refuse to believe.

    IMHO... it should be OK to call out self serving belief systems. They are root causes for a lot of injustice and will never become a majority view. And that really pisses off our "superiors"
    and God should get on that. Now they just work the systems to skew the numbers. Someone will see the virus as God's Plan. "The Lord works in mysterious ways."

    Of course, mental illness can complicate things as well and make motivations more unpredictable.

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    @richardyot said:
    This is something I agree with from the Trump administration: the pandemic is exposing some of the flaws of globalism, with fragile international supply chains and the outsourcing of jobs.

    Doesn't it make sense for countries to protect and nurture their own key industries? To manufacture domestically, and thereby create jobs, which improve people's lives, and make a nation more able to withstand a crisis? Neoliberalism and the worship of the market has devastated communities in the US and UK by destroying manufacturing jobs, yet it's the populist right rather than the centre-left that is finally kicking back against it. This is something that both Sanders and Trump would agree with, but Biden and Pelosi would not.

    no one answered my question on President Trumps foreign businesses, maybe you know?

    I don't think the problem is that people believe that other people are evil, I think the much bigger problem is that some people don't believe in evil... Like the saying goes, I believe people when they tell me who they are, I feel it would be insulting of their intelligence to do otherwise, and did you notice we never have the evil is or evil ain't debate when it comes to talking about foreign terrorist or gangs in Chicago.....

    I believe in the issues that you've been stating as well as allot of your sentiments but I also believe in evil people, who do evil things, and I don't believe they only exist in foreign countries or in Chicago.

  • @kobamoto said:

    @richardyot said:
    This is something I agree with from the Trump administration: the pandemic is exposing some of the flaws of globalism, with fragile international supply chains and the outsourcing of jobs.

    Doesn't it make sense for countries to protect and nurture their own key industries? To manufacture domestically, and thereby create jobs, which improve people's lives, and make a nation more able to withstand a crisis? Neoliberalism and the worship of the market has devastated communities in the US and UK by destroying manufacturing jobs, yet it's the populist right rather than the centre-left that is finally kicking back against it. This is something that both Sanders and Trump would agree with, but Biden and Pelosi would not.

    no one answered my question on President Trumps foreign businesses, maybe you know?

    Sorry no idea 🤷‍♂️

  • It took 40 years to create these global supply chains. For a country like the US they allowed:

    manufacturing costs to be reduced dramatically by:
    1. by passing EPA regulations
    2. killing the trade unions and using low cost labor
    3. allowing US companies to focus on nimble ways to ramp up supply to match demand and shift investments in equipment off their books

    Changing this model will loose these "benefits" and raise the cost of goods significantly. Until a new steady state economy is re-engineered expect massive shortages of most things. It's depression time... one for the record books. The global system has imploded.

    Trump never built anything that was more than re-labeling of someone else's risk and taking a share for the branding. When he tried to build large complex businesses they all failed. He learned to stop trying and just sell the brand to the business builders.

    If he runs the US like he does his businesses it helps explain his loyalty to kleptocrats that will pay for branding of their interests. The Saudi's and Putin worked out their deals early.
    It also explains why he loves the "go it alone" Kim Jong Un. He can do a deal without any oversight.

    If globalism dies it will disrupt the whole planet. I think it will adapt because no one uses 20 year plans anymore: just quick deals to put out fires.

    Maybe we'll switch to a proven executives that can manage and execute on long term plans.
    The wisdom of the crowd can make the right call.

  • @richardyot said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @richardyot said:
    This is something I agree with from the Trump administration: the pandemic is exposing some of the flaws of globalism, with fragile international supply chains and the outsourcing of jobs.

    Doesn't it make sense for countries to protect and nurture their own key industries? To manufacture domestically, and thereby create jobs, which improve people's lives, and make a nation more able to withstand a crisis? Neoliberalism and the worship of the market has devastated communities in the US and UK by destroying manufacturing jobs, yet it's the populist right rather than the centre-left that is finally kicking back against it. This is something that both Sanders and Trump would agree with, but Biden and Pelosi would not.

    no one answered my question on President Trumps foreign businesses, maybe you know?

    Sorry no idea 🤷‍♂️

    oh well, because of my bias I'm tempted to think that he hasn't moved his businesses to America first because he doesn't truly believe in America first, in other words he doesn't practice what he preaches but it's just a hunch as none of his supporters will call him out on his propaganda and force him to put his money where is *ss is, not unlike his tax returns this question will probably go un-resolved.

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    Trump ...

    • cancelled PREDICT, a global program bringing together American scientists and foreign scientists in an effort to spot new threats in viruses making the leap between animals and people. Among the labs that were part of the PREDICT network was one in Wuhan, China...
    • ignored the army, who on Feb. 3 gave a presentation showing that COVID-19 was potentially a massive “black swan” event that would completely disrupt the U.S. economy and result in over a 100,000 deaths
    • ignored the CDC after they conducted a review of America’s current standing, warning that the U.S. was completely unprepared to face a repeat visit from a pandemic respiratory disease. Warnings indicated that the health care system would be overrun, that the supply chains—both for medical products and consumer products—would be strained, and that deaths could actually exceed what was seen a century earlier.
    • disbanded the NSC biological threat and pandemic response team
    • ignored the playbook developed by the Obama admin on how to manage a pandemic
    • ignored that his team failed in a simulated pandemic exercise
    • Cancelled the DHS review if pandemic preparedness
    • Ignored another war game simulation of the government preparedness on a pandemic that predicted what we’re currently experiencing

    Blood. On. His. Hands.

    Somehow, this’ll end up being someone else’s fault. Obama, probably. Anyone but the coward himself: Trump.

  • @Daveypoo said:
    Ok, I've been holding off on bitching publicly, because I've been trying to stay positive, and only send out messages of positivity, blah blah blah blah.

    It's therapeutic to get that out and maybe you'll slip someone a clue. We need to pull together to put out this fire. It's the only option to reduce the losses, death and waste.

    Les Mis "Do You Hear the People Sing?" mixed into in the audio.

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    🌎=🔥

  • World 1.0 becoming World 2.0... a massive Update:

    World 1.0 World 2.0
    110 successive months of job growth 10 million jobless claims in 2 weeks
    10 year bull market across sectors Winners and losers with extreme outcome inequality
    Full employment 30% unemployment
    Base rate thinking First principles thinking
    Physical Digital
    Office by default Remote by default
    Office for work Office for connection, community, ecosystem, makerspaces
    Suit, tie, wristwatch, business card Good lighting, microphone, webcam, home office background
    Commute + traffic jams Home + family
    Last mile Only mile
    Restaurants Groceries + delivery
    $4 toast Sourdough starter
    Walkscore Speedtest
    Cities Internet
    $100k for college Not paying $100k for a webinar
    City Countryside
    YIMBY NIMBY
    Internal issues Exogenous shock
    Lots of little problems One big problem
    Stupid bullshit Actual issues
    Too much technology Too little technology
    Complacency Action
    Years Days
    Policy Capacity
    Ideology Competence
    Assume some government competence Assume zero government competence
    Institutions Ghost ships
    WHO Who?
    Trusted institutions Trusted people
    Globalization Decoupling
    Just-in-time Stockpile
    Tail risk is kooky Tail risk is mainstream
    NATO Asia
    Boomers most powerful Boomers most vulnerable
    Productivity growth collapse Economic collapse
    Social services Democrat UBI Communist
    Propaganda Propaganda
    Deficit hawks MMT
    Corporate debt Government debt
    Techlash Tech a pillar of civilization and lifeline to billions
    Break up Amazon Don’t break up Amazon!!!
    Avoiding social issues Avoiding layoffs
    Sports Esports
    Phone is a cigarette Phone is oxygen
    Resource depletion $20 oil, $0.75 watt solar, <$100/kwh batteries
    Stasis Change
    Low volatility High volatility
    Design Logistics
    Extrovert Introvert
    Open Closed
    20th century 21st century
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  • @kobamoto
    Trump's companies making medical gear - Before Donald Trump became President, he give all of his businesses to his sons due to this law. Many of his smaller businesses that produced physical items were just outsourced contracts given to the lowest bidding factory owners in China.

    Fred Trump a Klansman? A 1927 newspaper clip is all that exists, right? Not enough info, but it wouldn't surprise me. And of course Fred Trump settled a discrimination case in the 70s for blocking minorities from renting his properties. But one could argue that the rich are always targets.

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    @Daveypoo Thanks for sharing that article.

    And to think that Robert Kraft was on CNN last night, receiving nonstop praise for his philanthropy.

    Edit: Thanks @Daveypoo, but only a single sentence required deletion.

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