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OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

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  • I don’t care about Covid-19.

    I just go about my day as before, with my OCD.
    Been prepared for decades 🦠

  • edited May 2020

    @simonnowis said:

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    @kobamoto how do you feel about the term 'African Americans' ?is 'European Americans' used as much?

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    I don't use those terms as personally the only terms that mean anything to me are racist, non-racist, and detractor but I do hear them often. Not European American, more like Italian American, French American etc..

  • We are fucked by our usages. Native American. Wtf. Those natives didn’t live in ‘Murika till whitey got there.

  • well the whole what we call ourselves is a red herring in my opinion, culture is not biological and there is only one race so the only thing that concerns me is those two subsets of people, the ones that believe that everybody has a right to exist in equality and the ones that don't, all those other terms don't hold much worth investing in for me, I don't care whether you put your fish on top of your rice or whether you put your rice on top of your fish whatever

  • curious, why can't they just let these people get the virus if that's what they want to do?

  • Because they pass it on to those who don’t want to, and they also overwhelm the health system because doctors and nurses are too decent to just let them choke out 😬

  • @Krupa said:
    Because they pass it on to those who don’t want to, and they also overwhelm the health system because doctors and nurses are too decent to just let them choke out 😬

    but look at them spitting and yelling and putting other people's lives in danger, it's no different than if they were shooting those guns.... they don't want Obamacare and they don't want to keep themselves safe from the virus, there must be some way they can be accommodated.... maybe something like put them somewhere and build a wall between them and everybody else, I hear the president is good at that sort of thing

  • edited May 2020

    @kobamoto That would work 👍

    I keep thinking that one good way to educate them would be for their hero to become infected but too shitheaded to admit weakness, his entourage mostly hate him too so don’t force the issue, leading to a very public painful death. Maybe a few of them would get it then, maybe not. Sorry if this offends anyone but I’m done giving a fuck about idiots who enable this shit.

  • @kobamoto said:

    curious, why can't they just let these people get the virus if that's what they want to do?

    Because they will spread it to other people who will spread it to other people still. They will keep the pandemic going.

  • edited May 2020

    @Krupa said:
    @kobamoto That would work 👍

    I keep thinking that one good way to educate them would be for their hero to become infected but too shitheaded to admit weakness, his entourage mostly hate him too so don’t force the issue, leading to a very public painful death. Maybe a few of them would get it then, maybe not. Sorry if this offends anyone but I’m done giving a fuck about idiots who enable this shit.

    I honestly wish to whatever god they pray to that it was an issue of enlightenment , but these folks hearts and minds are full of their favorite soup and it taste just the way they like it, I would just like to find a way to stop them from offering me bowls and bowls of the stuff via the legislation they compose and support, I mean can't the nation open up all of it's Disney lands and allow them to go live inside them for free and hate each other all they want.

  • @kobamoto you’re probably right, optimism is one of my many weaknesses 🤣

  • I guess the beer gardens are closed.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @robosardine said:

    @richardyot said:

    @robosardine said:
    I’m interested to know what the mortality rate is here in the UK (or anywhere) for deaths which are not being attributed to the corona virus this first quarter of the year in comparison to the last few years. Any pointers?- apologies if I missed this already.

    The FT has been tracking this:

    https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab

    Thank you for that.
    I’m now trying to work out the expected weekly mortality rate for under 75’s due expressly to Coronavirus- though I realise now that my amateur calculations will be well off the mark and I’m sure I’m not the first.
    I am however convinced though that if the over 70’s who are vulnerable were to remain in lockdown for the time being (give them free satellite tv, books and internet devices) and if care homes were properly supported then there is now more than enough capacity in the NHS (UK) to treat all serious cases that may arise should the lockdown BEGIN to be lifted now. These gigantic hospitals are practically empty and have been for some time. Harrogate Nightingale Has not taken any patients, Birmingham has none and so far London has treated 51.
    I am also convinced that the dire economic consequences of the lockdown will lead to a great deal of ill health and death.
    Has any modelling been done to predict this?

    Why the focus on people over 70?

    People under 70 die from COVID19 -- and it is still unknown what long-term impacts there will be for people that survive bad cases. COVID19 is not strictly a respiratory illness. It causes strokes and damage to internal organs in many people. We still don't know the long-term impact on many of those that had bad cases.

    The Economist is trying to stay current with tracking excess death stats:

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

    The article in the reply said that 75% of the fatalities were over 75. I was thinking that protecting this group would massively reduce the overall rate?

  • @robosardine said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @robosardine said:

    @richardyot said:

    @robosardine said:
    I’m interested to know what the mortality rate is here in the UK (or anywhere) for deaths which are not being attributed to the corona virus this first quarter of the year in comparison to the last few years. Any pointers?- apologies if I missed this already.

    The FT has been tracking this:

    https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab

    Thank you for that.
    I’m now trying to work out the expected weekly mortality rate for under 75’s due expressly to Coronavirus- though I realise now that my amateur calculations will be well off the mark and I’m sure I’m not the first.
    I am however convinced though that if the over 70’s who are vulnerable were to remain in lockdown for the time being (give them free satellite tv, books and internet devices) and if care homes were properly supported then there is now more than enough capacity in the NHS (UK) to treat all serious cases that may arise should the lockdown BEGIN to be lifted now. These gigantic hospitals are practically empty and have been for some time. Harrogate Nightingale Has not taken any patients, Birmingham has none and so far London has treated 51.
    I am also convinced that the dire economic consequences of the lockdown will lead to a great deal of ill health and death.
    Has any modelling been done to predict this?

    Why the focus on people over 70?

    People under 70 die from COVID19 -- and it is still unknown what long-term impacts there will be for people that survive bad cases. COVID19 is not strictly a respiratory illness. It causes strokes and damage to internal organs in many people. We still don't know the long-term impact on many of those that had bad cases.

    The Economist is trying to stay current with tracking excess death stats:

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

    The article in the reply said that 75% of the fatalities were over 75. I was thinking that protecting this group would massively reduce the overall rate?

    That would be a good idea, but the question is how?

  • @ElectroHead said:

    @richardyot said:

    I am also convinced that the dire economic consequences of the lockdown will lead to a great deal of ill health and death.
    Has any modelling been done to predict this?

    I'm afraid you're right. But I think this situation is so unprecedented that computer modelling of potential outcomes would hardly be useful: IMO there are too many unknown factors which will come into play that algos cannot foresee.

    Western governments and state apparatus have been caught with their pants down. This is not only the fault of the politicians in power now, but the culmination of years' of negligence, not only of short-sighted governments, but by state apparatus in general. I predict that in many places people will demand more power for local government and decentralization, so economic projects can be initiated on regional levels to respond to the specifics of local regions.

    Globalism as we know it is over. In Europe, some budget airlines will go under, cheap weekend getaways to other countries will become a thing of the past - and with added medical checks for all travelers at airports will make taking a flight a tedious process that many will choose to avoid. Then there will be massive demand for governments to ensure self-sufficiency in medicines and vital goods.

    Many corporations will downscale, resulting in less jobs in cities and an exodus to the countryside: in the UK, for example, instead of a apartment in Spain many will be aspire for a home where they can grow their own vegetables.

    In the long run, this could all have some positive outcomes:

    • tighter knit local communities with far more interaction
    • more and cheaper housing in cities - e.g. many of the City's and Canary Warf skyscrapers may be turned into accommodation.
    • shorter supply chains and fewer planes in the sky = less pollution

    Yes- at least there will be some positives that Gradually emerge out of this nightmare.

  • @robosardine said:

    @ElectroHead said:

    @richardyot said:

    I am also convinced that the dire economic consequences of the lockdown will lead to a great deal of ill health and death.
    Has any modelling been done to predict this?

    I'm afraid you're right. But I think this situation is so unprecedented that computer modelling of potential outcomes would hardly be useful: IMO there are too many unknown factors which will come into play that algos cannot foresee.

    Western governments and state apparatus have been caught with their pants down. This is not only the fault of the politicians in power now, but the culmination of years' of negligence, not only of short-sighted governments, but by state apparatus in general. I predict that in many places people will demand more power for local government and decentralization, so economic projects can be initiated on regional levels to respond to the specifics of local regions.

    Globalism as we know it is over. In Europe, some budget airlines will go under, cheap weekend getaways to other countries will become a thing of the past - and with added medical checks for all travelers at airports will make taking a flight a tedious process that many will choose to avoid. Then there will be massive demand for governments to ensure self-sufficiency in medicines and vital goods.

    Many corporations will downscale, resulting in less jobs in cities and an exodus to the countryside: in the UK, for example, instead of a apartment in Spain many will be aspire for a home where they can grow their own vegetables.

    In the long run, this could all have some positive outcomes:

    • tighter knit local communities with far more interaction
    • more and cheaper housing in cities - e.g. many of the City's and Canary Warf skyscrapers may be turned into accommodation.
    • shorter supply chains and fewer planes in the sky = less pollution

    Yes- at least there will be some positives that Gradually emerge out of this nightmare.

    Ah yes, Virtual Sex, Virtual Drugs and Virtual Rock’n’Roll :o

  • @robosardine said:

    Yes- at least there will be some positives that Gradually emerge out of this nightmare.

    I read this this morning; Here's a prime example of localism I was talking about:

    https://cointelegraph.com/news/italian-town-creates-new-currency-to-cope-with-covid-19

  • @robosardine said:

    @ElectroHead said:

    @richardyot said:

    I am also convinced that the dire economic consequences of the lockdown will lead to a great deal of ill health and death.
    Has any modelling been done to predict this?

    I'm afraid you're right. But I think this situation is so unprecedented that computer modelling of potential outcomes would hardly be useful: IMO there are too many unknown factors which will come into play that algos cannot foresee.

    Western governments and state apparatus have been caught with their pants down. This is not only the fault of the politicians in power now, but the culmination of years' of negligence, not only of short-sighted governments, but by state apparatus in general. I predict that in many places people will demand more power for local government and decentralization, so economic projects can be initiated on regional levels to respond to the specifics of local regions.

    Globalism as we know it is over. In Europe, some budget airlines will go under, cheap weekend getaways to other countries will become a thing of the past - and with added medical checks for all travelers at airports will make taking a flight a tedious process that many will choose to avoid. Then there will be massive demand for governments to ensure self-sufficiency in medicines and vital goods.

    Many corporations will downscale, resulting in less jobs in cities and an exodus to the countryside: in the UK, for example, instead of a apartment in Spain many will be aspire for a home where they can grow their own vegetables.

    In the long run, this could all have some positive outcomes:

    • tighter knit local communities with far more interaction
    • more and cheaper housing in cities - e.g. many of the City's and Canary Warf skyscrapers may be turned into accommodation.
    • shorter supply chains and fewer planes in the sky = less pollution

    Yes- at least there will be some positives that Gradually emerge out of this nightmare.

    You got it, you got it....

  • edited May 2020

    OK, so it's not Covid19 related, but....

    Canada has worst mass murder in history with guns. Horrible.

    Thoughts and prayers? Sure.
    Hemming and hawing about what to do? Sure.
    Pretend it never happened and allow the next one to happen without doing anything like the US? Nope.

    Canada has banned assault-style weapons. Immediately.

    "You don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer," Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said at a news conference in Ottawa. "So, effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import or use military-grade assault weapons in this country."

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/01/world/canada-assault-style-weapons-ban-trnd/index.html

    There are parallels with the Covid19 response. The current administration and Mitch M seem more concerned about perceptions and fundraising ability, including their corporate donor class, than about the lives of Americans. Let alone anyone else in the world. The US government is doing more "thoughts and prayers" and hemming and hawing than action. It's like a black hole at the national level, consuming anything redeeming and human and good about the government (it was there, along with the bad). Trump is a supermassive black hole - located in his skull. He's twisted, bent, and destoryed everything on his event horizon. It's unclear if there's any escaping that gravity.

  • @vitocorleone123 said:
    OK, so it's not Covid19 related, but....

    Canada has worst mass murder in history with guns. Horrible.

    Thoughts and prayers? Sure.
    Hemming and hawing about what to do? Sure.
    Pretend it never happened and allow the next one to happen without doing anything like the US? Nope.

    Canada has banned assault-style weapons. Immediately.

    "You don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer," Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said at a news conference in Ottawa. "So, effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import or use military-grade assault weapons in this country."

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/01/world/canada-assault-style-weapons-ban-trnd/index.html

    There are parallels with the Covid19 response. The current administration and Mitch M seem more concerned about perceptions and fundraising ability, including their corporate donor class, than about the lives of Americans. Let alone anyone else in the world. The US government is doing more "thoughts and prayers" and hemming and hawing than action. It's like a black hole at the national level, consuming anything redeeming and human and good about the government (it was there, along with the bad). Trump is a supermassive black hole - located in his skull. He's twisted, bent, and destoryed everything on his event horizon. It's unclear if there's any escaping that gravity.

    People go crazy, but even crazier is allowing weapons of war.

  • at least the you know whos have their priorities straight

  • edited May 2020

    @Kühl said:
    I don’t care about Covid-19.

    I just go about my day as before, with my OCD.
    Been prepared for decades 🦠

    We’ve got a little bed in the garden with strawberry plants. It gets totally choked with weeds, which grow back again in less than a week, totally covering the strawberry plants.

    My current favourite OCD thing is to spend an hour, carefully removing the weeds, happy in the knowledge they’ll have grown back again in a few days time and I can do it all over again.

  • edited May 2020

    @knewspeak said:

    @vitocorleone123 said:
    OK, so it's not Covid19 related, but....

    Canada has worst mass murder in history with guns. Horrible.

    Thoughts and prayers? Sure.
    Hemming and hawing about what to do? Sure.
    Pretend it never happened and allow the next one to happen without doing anything like the US? Nope.

    Canada has banned assault-style weapons. Immediately.

    "You don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer," Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said at a news conference in Ottawa. "So, effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import or use military-grade assault weapons in this country."

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/01/world/canada-assault-style-weapons-ban-trnd/index.html

    There are parallels with the Covid19 response. The current administration and Mitch M seem more concerned about perceptions and fundraising ability, including their corporate donor class, than about the lives of Americans. Let alone anyone else in the world. The US government is doing more "thoughts and prayers" and hemming and hawing than action. It's like a black hole at the national level, consuming anything redeeming and human and good about the government (it was there, along with the bad). Trump is a supermassive black hole - located in his skull. He's twisted, bent, and destoryed everything on his event horizon. It's unclear if there's any escaping that gravity.

    People go crazy, but even crazier is allowing weapons of war.

    I don’t know the hardcore details about the banned weapons capabilities but given how this particular shooter did it (dressed as a cop, drove a replica cop car and spread it out over a dozen hours) it probably would have still been executed the same way even if the ban happened years ago. This was a high functioning psycho who obviously meticulously planned this and it is not like they were on a balcony with a machine gun into a crowd after their team lost. Not that I care about guns but eh, I doubt it would have stopped this. There are still going to be legal semi auto hunting rifles (Canada never had legal full auto) that I bet they could have used.

  • instead of trying to start a race war these folks should declare a war on their own lack of common sense because trying to start a race war and then trying to claim that the government is mistreating them and going to take their guns makes no sense what so ever.... umm frankly if you are planning to start a race war the government should take more than your guns Imo.... FFS that's not how credibility works.

  • @WillieNegus said:
    America. Land of the free. But is it really though?

    It's so good to have your voice back in the mix here. Reading diverse views is a great way to learn to test the assumptions we all embrace without be asked to think.

    I keep begging people to expose they way their mind is organized in hopes of learning something new. I lived a pretty sheltered life... looking back. But I tried not to come out the way I started. Listening is key.

    I wish somewhere, sometime they would take these guns away in the interest of public safety. Using overwhelming force of course. The only law left on the books that the Feds can use is a "convicted felon possessing a gun that was transported over states lines (interstate commerce)." So, this display of force is technically legal. But other laws might be made to fit the danger to the public. It's always a matter of selective policing. You can pick a crime to fit almost any circumstances.

    So, I hold the police at fault for this breach as well as the enforcement of institutional racism: They are two sides of the same coin. But now the Supreme Court is rigged to
    not uphold the protections we have left on the books. So, if armed minorities showed up at a protest it would be handled differently and sold as good police work by the media.

  • @WillieNegus, I second @McD’s pleasure to have your voice amongst us again. The only point I wish to make is how fortunate we are that Trump is neither a Putin or a Xi. Then we really would be finished. If there ever was a phony autocrat to face off against I would pick Trump every time.

    If the T man were a martial artist instead of a president how easy would it be to defeat him if one had a semblance of skill? It is the same old moves over and over again. So easy to read and predict. Men like Putin and Xi, I imagine, have been capable of spectacular feats of political jiu jitsu, utilizing every tool in the arsenal from blatant violence to the subtlest pirouette of corrupt manipulative cunning. For them, Trump is a trainable dog who can be conned with the mirror he desperately wants to see himself reflected in. Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest of them all? You, Don baby, you. It is as simple as that.

    It is sad that for now it is Joe Biden to go against this two dimensional bowl of saturated hyperbole. Biden is probably a relatively decent human being with human failings. But he is too fucking old. I am kind of hoping the sex thing will knock him out. There are more clear sighted contenders who could come forward if that were to happen. Perhaps one of the governors who has shown his or her metal during these perilous times.

    In three or four weeks we will see the result of wide swathes of the country pretending it is all over. Tragically, but perhaps beneficially, the probable carnage of disease, death and privation in the months to come will show the colossal failing of a simplistic and psychologically damaged child-man con artist. He is not a Xi or a Vlad, or even an Un. Corona could have been the winning lottery ticket for Trump, but not with how he and his lackies have handled it, And, I believe, the majority of America will be so bereft and fed up by November that the odds of his being defeated are getting better day by day. Well, I hope so, anyway.

  • edited May 2020

    People are so wrong protesting about being forced to lose their jobs and the country turning into a police state. Sweden shows what would have happened if country’s hadn’t locked down.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW9mb63XYAUBEmP?format=png&name=4096x4096

  • Yeah 3-6 times the death rate of its neighbours

  • @WillieNegus said:
    In terms of the Pandemic. I don’t have an issue with protesters as long as they are peaceful.

    I think they should be monitored, tagged and logged with Amazon and Facebooks latest Facial Rec software and denied public healthcare if they get sick.

    They have the right to resist orders, care workers should have the right to resist caring for em.

    They are going to infect innocent people. They could peacefully protest in ways that don’t make others sick.

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