OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

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richardyot

@Mark B said:
But this needs to be quantified, what was the average age and how many of these patients already had serious illness. So far, and I’ll repeat the stats are showing If you are under 50 and healthy this virus is not a major threat.

Point a is unknown, and point b is widely acknowledged.

However just look at Boris Johnson, not especially old (55), and clearly overweight but not with any serious illnesses, yet could have died. Anecdotal obviously, but proof that it's not only a threat to the old and infirm.

ElectroHead

@kobamoto said:
everything is connected, even bs and feigned outrage.... you can't honestly be outraged over bill gates, Who, and big Pharma but honestly not be outraged over the President of the United States

If you're not a US citizen or don't live there, of course you can. Trump doesn't dictate the COVID response outside the US, whereas the former are attempting to dictate the narrative and policy globally.

ElectroHead

This revelation from a Swedish doctor is shocking. Suggests the gov there sees the pandemic as an opportunity to cull the old:

JohnnyGoodyear

@richardyot said:

@Mark B said:
But this needs to be quantified, what was the average age and how many of these patients already had serious illness. So far, and I’ll repeat the stats are showing If you are under 50 and healthy this virus is not a major threat.

Point a is unknown, and point b is widely acknowledged.

However just look at Boris Johnson, not especially old (55), and clearly overweight but not with any serious illnesses, yet could have died. Anecdotal obviously, but proof that it's not only a threat to the old and infirm.

Richard. He's a sea-lion.

richardyot

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@richardyot said:

@Mark B said:
But this needs to be quantified, what was the average age and how many of these patients already had serious illness. So far, and I’ll repeat the stats are showing If you are under 50 and healthy this virus is not a major threat.

Point a is unknown, and point b is widely acknowledged.

However just look at Boris Johnson, not especially old (55), and clearly overweight but not with any serious illnesses, yet could have died. Anecdotal obviously, but proof that it's not only a threat to the old and infirm.

Richard. He's a sea-lion.

Yeah, I’m probably enjoying this debate too much... I’ll take a breather 🗣

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I thoroughly enjoyed this today:

ElectroHead

@MonzoPro said:
I thoroughly enjoyed this today:

Bojo - Bilderberger,
Starmer - Jimmy Saville forgiver and Trilateral Commission member.

Looks like they get their shirts from the same establishment. Choose your poison!

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@ElectroHead said:

Starmer - Jimmy Saville forgiver

Right wing bullshit.

http://scottish-liberal.blogspot.com/2020/04/no-keir-starmer-did-not-help-jimmy.html

ElectroHead

Without opening the link, Scottish Liberal blogspot does not exactly sound like a neutral source. KS was head of the Crown Prosecution Service when investigation was dropped. Trilateral Commission member - also right-wing bs?

ElectroHead

@MonzoPro said:

Right wing bullshit.

IMV, if democracy is to survive, abolish political parties. Elected representatives should represent their constituents' interests, not those of political parties and their "sponsors".

knewspeak

@ElectroHead said:

@MonzoPro said:

Right wing bullshit.

IMV, if democracy is to survive, abolish political parties. Elected representatives should represent their constituents' interests, not those of political parties and their "sponsors".

So evidence to support the rubbish about Starmer? Plenty of evidence about that sleazy President and his sanctity of marriage, no.

ElectroHead

@knewspeak said:

So evidence to support the rubbish about Starmer? Plenty of evidence about that sleazy President and his sanctity of marriage, no.

"I would like to take the opportunity to apologise for the shortcomings in the part played by the CPS in these cases," Keir Starmer, the director of public prosecutions, said in a statement today.

https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2013/01/11/analysis-how-did-jimmy-savile-escape-justice

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-failed-grooming-victims-law-chief-keir-starmer-admits-9dwd9brflvm

ElectroHead

So clearly for KS and the CPS the priority was protecting the image of the Establishment, not justice for the victims.

vitocorleone123

It's been clear for awhile that this current administration in the US definitely doesn't mind, and may even be actively supporting, the death of many many segments - especially anyone non-white.> @ElectroHead said:

@MonzoPro said:

Right wing bullshit.

IMV, if democracy is to survive, abolish political parties. Elected representatives should represent their constituents' interests, not those of political parties and their "sponsors".

I think it's less about political parties, and more about the power of money. It plays too big of a part in modern politics in the US. Unfortunately, it seems that the psychological tendency of conservatives to follow authority primed the party supposedly representing them (Republicans) to then take advantage of them, and start shaping their thinking and beliefs further to suit their purposes of monetary enrichment and consolidation of power. The right is decidedly more regimented overall than the left (yes, there's always exceptions).

I do agree that voting has a huge impact, and that we should be voting in people that represent us.

ElectroHead

@vitocorleone123 said:
It's been clear for awhile that this current administration in the US definitely doesn't mind, and may even be actively supporting, the death of many many segments - especially anyone non-white.>

Not that I'm defending the current US administration, but look at the death toll in Libya, Syria and Ukraine from the wars / conflicts waged and incited by the previous administration, and your assertion applies to them just as much.

I think it's less about political parties, and more about the power of money.

Political parties, Dems, Reps in the US, Cons, Lab, Lib in the UK are now ALL about power and money.

Choose a party, choose your poison.

knewspeak

@ElectroHead said:

@MonzoPro said:
I thoroughly enjoyed this today:

Bojo - Bilderberger,
Starmer - Jimmy Saville forgiver and Trilateral Commission member.

Looks like they get their shirts from the same establishment. Choose your poison!

Still didn’t answer in what way was Starmer, a Jimmy Savaile forgiver, no it’s you who is the vile person proliferating utter rubbish, just like the rest of the right wing neo fascist mob.

kobamoto

wish it wasn't so but the decline in our country started the decline everywhere else in the Western Hemisphere, all of the trump minions in every country came out from under the rocks

knewspeak

@kobamoto said:
wish it wasn't so but the decline in our country started the decline everywhere else in the Western Hemisphere, all of the trump minions in every country came out from under the rocks

Very true, but I think trump is just one of the many symptoms of the despicable desease. That very similar disease swept around the world nearly a century ago.

kobamoto

@knewspeak said:

@kobamoto said:
wish it wasn't so but the decline in our country started the decline everywhere else in the Western Hemisphere, all of the trump minions in every country came out from under the rocks

Very true, but I think trump is just one of the many symptoms of the despicable desease. That very similar disease swept around the world nearly a century ago.

for sure, he hasn't invented anything.... but his rise to power gave rise and voice to all of his counterparts, some of which came here and helped him campaign etc... and as far as the non-western despots around the world they used to actually believe Americas propaganda a little bit, that was the only value it had, now they know whatever they are doing that Trump probably envies them and is definitely not going to do anything about it.

kobamoto

we went from this

to this

ElectroHead

See below

ElectroHead

@ElectroHead said:

@knewspeak said:

Still didn’t answer in what way was Starmer, a Jimmy Savaile forgiver, no it’s you who is the vile person proliferating utter rubbish, just like the rest of the right wing neo fascist mob.

>

FFS, I gave you a direct quote from Starmer "apologizing" for the CPS cover-up of Saville, and links to reports from established media in response to your claim that my assertion was "rubbish"; for lack of counter argument / facts you failed to respond and instead repeated your initial response, adding aspersion and personal insult . Pathetic. I sincerely hope that folks here capable of critical thinking will understand from my posts that your insults are total and utter unfounded BS. Good luck - you need it.

espiegel123

@ElectroHead : neither of those articles implies any sort of personal knowledge or actions by starmer. There is nothing there that Implies Starmer was a Savile-apologist. The statements by Starmer condemn Savile and the legal system being setup in a way that protected people like Savile. He doesn't come across as a Savile-forgiver.

kobamoto

knewspeak

@espiegel123 said:
@ElectroHead : neither of those articles implies any sort of personal knowledge or actions by starmer. There is nothing there that Implies Starmer was a Savile-apologist. The statements by Starmer condemn Savile and the legal system being setup in a way that protected people like Savile. He doesn't come across as a Savile-forgiver.

Exactly neither of the articles suggests Starmer was a Savile forgiver, it is a ridiculous assumption to draw from them. Jimmy Savile was an exceptionally vile person and to correlate as @ElectroHead has done is also vile.

kobamoto

@ElectroHead said:

@vitocorleone123 said:
It's been clear for awhile that this current administration in the US definitely doesn't mind, and may even be actively supporting, the death of many many segments - especially anyone non-white.>

Not that I'm defending the current US administration, but look at the death toll in Libya, Syria and Ukraine from the wars / conflicts waged and incited by the previous administration, and your assertion applies to them just as much.

I think it's less about political parties, and more about the power of money.

Political parties, Dems, Reps in the US, Cons, Lab, Lib in the UK are now ALL about power and money.

Choose a party, choose your poison.

False equivalency Is still the fastest growing religion in the world today.... true story

btw 5 wrongs don't make a right

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@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:
@ElectroHead : neither of those articles implies any sort of personal knowledge or actions by starmer. There is nothing there that Implies Starmer was a Savile-apologist. The statements by Starmer condemn Savile and the legal system being setup in a way that protected people like Savile. He doesn't come across as a Savile-forgiver.

Exactly neither of the articles suggests Starmer was a Savile forgiver, it is a ridiculous assumption to draw from them. Jimmy Savile was an exceptionally vile person and to correlate as @ElectroHead has done is also vile.

+1. Predictable gutter tactics by the rabid right-wing.

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@d4d0ug said:

@MonzoPro said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:
@ElectroHead : neither of those articles implies any sort of personal knowledge or actions by starmer. There is nothing there that Implies Starmer was a Savile-apologist. The statements by Starmer condemn Savile and the legal system being setup in a way that protected people like Savile. He doesn't come across as a Savile-forgiver.

Exactly neither of the articles suggests Starmer was a Savile forgiver, it is a ridiculous assumption to draw from them. Jimmy Savile was an exceptionally vile person and to correlate as @ElectroHead has done is also vile.

+1. Predictable gutter tactics by the rabid right-wing.

When you don’t have anything else, roll out the boogeyman...

I think they might have peaked too soon with that one - just shows how scared they are. Be interesting to see how Starmer handles the slander against him, being a top barrister and all that. Maybe those spreading lies about him should take note of how effortlessly he’s dismantling the government’s gaslighting.