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I've posted this new vid on PM's IAP midi out function in another thread of its own, but will also post here:
I really don’t understand how to make piano motifs midi out in sync with the other instruments in AUM. I’ve tried hard to understand but how could you make all your tracks start together?
Hi @Charlesalbert, Piano Motifs doesn’t currently have any sync functionality. Ableton Link is an option that a lot of apps use. Unfortunately with the current Piano Motifs code base it wasn’t possible to implement this.
Thank you for the explanation and keep it up with this excellent app. I love it.
Good lookin! Instabuy for me, fills the hole I was looking to fill based on a tutorial I watched for desktop production where the dude used an app that played the keys for him in a selected key. Super dope.
Now if I could only figure out how to export the whole melody, seems I’m only getting the top line/right hand into beat maker when I export. Same thing in audio share except I can SEE the whole midi. Any ideas?
Hi @king_picadillo,
Piano Motifs produces a MIDI file with 3 tracks. One track has the tempo and time signature, another track the right hand (melody) notes, and the last track the left hand (accompaniment) notes. Could it be that only one track is being imported?
Apologies for the pics and the neck exercises necessary to see them, having issues with screenshots. Pics show my settings. Find melody, export, choose midi, export to audio share (you can see whole melody in pic although I only see one midi file on the left). Don’t see bpm or key file or secondary melody file but it plays correctly in audio share. When I “share” to BM3, I also only get one midi file that is the top line melody. Does the same thing if I export directly into BM3 from piano motif.
@king_picadillo, there is only one MIDI file, and that MIDI file consists of the 3 tracks I described. Since you saId that you were just getting the melody (right hand) I thought maybe you had issues when importing the file and only one track of the MIDI file was being imported. I am not familiar with BM3 so can’t help you there, but I’m sure someone here will be able to help.
Hey @azul3D_Apps is it possible I need the IAP for this functionality? Doesn’t seem like it because I can see and hear the entire melody in audioshare even though I only see one “file” in the left hand column and don’t see bpm/key file either.
@Gavinski I watched your thorough tutorial although I couldn’t see your settings for pm and you were using AUM, but I think I’m doing it right. Any ideas based on the above?
@king_picadillo, no you don’t need the IAP to export to MIDI. And to reiterate there is only one MIDI file that is exported, which contains the 3 tracks.
@king_picadillo I've no idea what could be wrong. As u said it plays fine in audioshare. So I guess it must be some problem going into BM3? Maybe someone who uses this with BM3 could chime in!
@wim @tk32 Any clues gents? Is it a quirk with BM3 or am I doing something wrong. Sending from Piano Motif to Audioshare and then sharing the file from (open in) BM3. Only one midi file shows up in “imports” file, no folder with the 2 midi files and key/bpm file. It’s in the pic if a visual helps.
Sorry, I don't have Piano Motifs to try it out. I also haven't messed with midi import to BM3 before. I you want to zip the midi files and post them here then I could try to poke around a bit though.
Did u try opening directly from PM in BM3? If BM3 can ooenymidi files, you can skip the step of putting it into audioshare.
Trying not to let this frustrate me, but nothing more frustrating than finding the perfect app for what you want to accomplish and it not working no matter what you try.
@Gavinski def tried to import directly into BM3 multiple ways, from audio share, files, Dropbox, tried to directly upload from pm to BM3, every way yields the same result, only 1 .mid file with right hand melody shows up in pattern. Tried it with an Auv3 synth and with a single cycle sample Loaded. Even with a bare bank which just causes the midi to load in 2 tight lines of midi notes like hi hat patterns. Nowhere is there 3 separate tracks like @azul3D_Apps mentions above. Even in audioshare I see one .mid file that plays perfectly though no visual on key and bpm. Tried deleting and re downloading pm, same result. At a total loss.
@tk32 knows BM3 better than anyone. Maybe when he gets through solving the rest of the worlds issues with this brilliant and frustrating program, he will chime in.
I’m not sure be cause I haven’t used BM3 much but maybe it’s one midi file but if you change the midi channels like in AUM to only receive midi on channel 1 for 1 synth and and only receive on midi channel 2 on a 2nd synth.
I think how many midi files it gets split into depends on where you send it. In audioshare you just have one file that contains all the info. If you export into photon, when you go to load the files it will show there are two files (left and right) and you load them separately. It definitely doesn't seem to be a flaw with PM, so I guess you need to get that BM3 expert to chime in! @king_picadillo
I haven’t used IAP yet so just guessing here
@wim not sure how to do that
I think BM3 is loading the file but you need another sound source loaded to hear the other track.. Try loading a sound on pad 1 and another sound on pad 2 (within the same bank)..
I just tried this with Retro Piano on pad 1 and Zeeon on pad 2 and it was playing both parts of a motif.. Zeeon had the melody + Retro had the accompaniment..
You’re obviously seeing the 2 different parts (as you described above) when you used the bare bank..
I haven’t used BM3 in ages but this did work for me.. I would definitely split the 2 parts between 2 different sounds.. It sounds like you would too..
I’m sure one of the BM3 pros will chime in here eventually..
Ding, ding, ding! We got a winner...sorta. @royor @Poppadocrock your suggestions helped me get further than I’ve gotten so far, both parts imported with retro piano on pad 1 and mellow sound on pad 2, but every note imported as a 16th note. Looks like velocities transferred correctly but note lengths didn’t. I tried changing the grid to “free” and turning quantization off and reloading .mid file but still all notes are 16th’s. Also no sight of key and bpm. Maybe I have to set the BM3 bpm to the exported PM bpm, but I have no way of knowing what that is because I don’t see it anywhere. Nonetheless, I’m stoked to have made it another step forward with your help, thank you.
If I save piano motif midi tracks in audioshare, I try to remember to write the bpm into the title.
@king_picadillo
If you don't know the bpm of the midi file, this web site can give you the info. It can also tell you the key and the chords used:
https://solmire.com/chordfinder/
@king_picadillo 👍 Cool.. Well I guess that’s a start.. and now that you mention it, I think I actually had similar results as far as the note lengths.. all 16th notes BUT it actually sounded good.. it was a variation of the original.. for free! 🙂
Also, whenever I save a motif, I’ll name it with the key + tempo.. just in case..
Nice one! That’s actually really handy.. 🙏
@White that’s sick, thank you. I’m writing down the key, but I don’t even see the actual bpm in pm. Just the slider to increase or decrease. Only reason I need the bpm is I’m hoping that if I set BM3 to correct bpm before importing pm midi it may fix the 16th note problem. Unlikely but it’s the only thing I haven’t tried. I don’t want to have to buy Atom or photon, have enough (too many!) apps and I just want to get this working with BM3 piano roll. I’ve bought downloaded midi files from cymatics and note length, velocity and even name with key, bpm and everything imports just fine in BM3 without having to load multiple synths. Maybe PM and BM3 just don’t play nice.
@king_picadillo you can see the bpm in piano motifs if you press the info button. Actually, would maybe be handier if that was just visible the whole time @azul3D_Apps
@azul3D_Apps @Gavinski i exported Spliqs (somewhat similar app) midi into BM3 and the note lengths translated correctly. Shame that I like the PM midi generation much better. I only mention because I’m hoping there is a way to program the PM midi export to correctly communicate the note lengths to BM3, maybe include an option to export entire midi in one track because when just the top line melody imports (only have one synth loaded on one pad) note length import correctly. I would contact Intua, but I’ve tried for other bugs and they are not responsive at all. Wouldn’t be a big deal except I love what PM does and as stated before I had been looking for exactly this concept for months before I knew PM existed. Thank you for all the work you do, please know that it is appreciated, especially by us older, tech/music theory challenged heads.