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Going from srength to strength, thnx Fernando.
I'm curious if anyone has found any good workarounds when using midi out for jamming, on how to sync this up with your arps, drums etc that are running to host transport? For this, it seems to me that midi export still remains the only way, but would love to hear otherwise.
@azul3D_Apps Thanks a bunch for the ability to change the bar length. I was constantly running out of motif before I evaluated it (I sing or play melodies to "test" a motif), so this helps me considerably. Thanks for the updates!
@lukesleepwalker your comment makes me think of what a useful tool this is also for practising things like key and scale identification and improv skills etc. So many uses for this little beauty ✌️
Yep, works great for that too! What a gem...
Definitely. Wouldn't say no to more scales of course 😋. But I would remind people also that you can route the midi from this into something like Rozeta Scaler to make your own adjustments to scale and key 😍
It works really well if you load the midi files produced by Piano Motifs into LK.
Nice tip, thnx> @cuscolima said:
Great update, this app keeps getting better. Thanks!
A new version of Piano Motifs (v2.4) is available on the App Store. This update has the following new features:
• Phrygian and Lydian scale modes
• Secondary dominant chords
• New chord progressions
If you would like to listen to the music that Piano Motifs can generate head on to : https://soundcloud.com/azul-3d
Enjoy!
Yes yes yes... oh yea, and did I mention, YES! Cheers on another great update @azul3D_Apps
Attention Forum Members: If you do not own Piano Motifs, I highly Recommend you grab it.
It’s In my list for top 5 best music apps of 2020.
Nice
Rest for a few days
Then get coding again!!
secondary dominants!!!!
Thank you for all your work on this amazing app.
Ooh! Excellent Fernando 👏
First, THANK YOU!
Second, do you sleep?
Piano Motifs can make more than piano music.
I exported a MIDI file and imported it into StaffPad and assigned the 2 parts to a lot of instruments and this comes out.
I could easily do that many times and glue the pieces together in A-A-B-A-C-B-A song form and get a symphonic piece this way. Like Bark Filter... this needs to be a Forum Secret.
Thanks all, your feedback has been fundamental in making all these incremental improvements to Piano Motifs. I hope I can continue adding more new features and requests in the future.
@McD, that is beautiful! I had experimented sending MIDI Out directly to iSymphonic just using the default strings for both channels and got some very melodic, cinematic tunes. I think the music output of Piano Motifs ports very well into symphonic instruments. By the way, in PM you can now program the number of bars which results in Piano Motifs using different song structures (for example A-B-A-B-C-B-A-B). I don't have A-A-B-A-C-B-A, but I will add it on the next revision 😀.
It would be great to listen to other different instrumentations which bode well with Piano Motif output.
This example took about 20 minutes to make. You can see the power of your creation.
"It's alive!" So, saith Dr Frankenstein but you're creations are not that monstrous. Can you add more monster themes in an update?
I'll test drive some of the long song forms and stop giving you credit because I need all the attention I can get. I can also glue together sections in different keys like a real composer might. Basically imitate the structures of the masters and make ersatz works of pure genius. Only I paid for the genius and own the rights to his creations.
Before all the amazing updates, I made more tracks with PM than I ever had previously. With each update, it gets better and better and even more useful. Sounds like I’m shilling, but it really is that great. I almost bought a midi kit for far more money that would eventually have exhausted option due to the finite nature of kits. PM served the same purpose but the melodies just keep coming, with the scale updates, seemingly endlessly.
@azul3D_Apps at the risk of sounding greedy, would you consider at some point adding the possibility of a choice of accompaniment? For example, sometimes I want sustained chords under the top melody for a bar or longer and it take a little while to stumble onto the right one. Seems a lot of the accompaniments are syncopated or too busy for my simple, less sophisticated style. I’ve repainted the chords a couple of times when I really like the top line melody but it is time consuming. If there was an option to choose accompaniment: sustained/bar length, syncopated... would make an already amazing app that much better. Thank you for this great app and all the work you continue to do to improve it.
Thanks @king_picadillo. Yes programmable accompaniment styles is on the list of features to implement for Piano Motifs. It might not be in the next revision but certainly in a future one.
That would make a nice feature to be able to specify the complexity (speed of notes for example) of the left or right hands. 16th's in the right and half notes in the left but with some
syncopation for the start/end events. Tricky to add but very helpful for dialing in the right mood.
@azul3D_Apps Wow! This was truly just a wish, to know it’s already on your list, incredible. As your namesake (Fernando A.) and one of my best friends would say “you’re on a good one, homie”.
Yea that’s a good point. I have a template set up in a AUM ready to go with two instances of KQ Dixie midi’d up, Through Atom. I record audio through Atom, if I like it. I then usually switch 1 or both KQ’s out for another synth and another instrument sometimes keeping the keyboard element on one of the two, sometimes not. But yea once you have the midi the options are only limited to your tools and imagination.
@azul3D_Apps Hmm, if there are several possibilities for accompaniment, why not generate them all and put them in different channels of the output midi file ? Then we could mix and decide later in the DAW or in the midi file player what parts to use when, or even use multiple accompaniments with different instrumentations.
For playing and audition, just play one of the accompaniments like its currently done
Maybe the „multi accompaniment in midi file“ feature should be enabled by a switch to not confuse some user that might wonder why the midi file sounds more complex than the original motif
Hi @_ki, thanks for your feedback.
I understand what you are saying but I don’t believe it is practical. Piano Motifs chooses randomly from some 50+ different accompaniments that can in some cases be played differently depending on time signature and another internal parameter. Generating more than one accompaniment per motif is also not feasible with the current app architecture.
The programmability that could be offered could be something like a selection between: chords (syncopated and not), bass (Syncopated and not), arpeggio, single chord sustain. But the user would have to select which one she/he wants before it is generated.
@azul3D_Apps ypur suggestion about selection would be awesome. Especially syncopation
We should make some Mozaic scripts that implement some of these ideas.
You have one sequence of root notes.
Another sequence of a computed melody that uses good voice leading rules but fits the
"root" note progression.
And rhythmic sequencing for baselines and chords filling out the chord structures.
There are really only about 10 popular chord progressions and switch between those 10 gets you the A-B-A types for song forms.
It's just a simple matter of programming and I know what you're capable of accomplishing.
(There's a thread for Mozzic script requests, right?).
Anyway, Piano Motifs does most of this and will only get better and better as we throw out ideas and promise to pay for the expensive enhancements in IAP's. Developers just want more customers or to sell more to the same customer.
That would be brilliant.
That's why it needs @_ki to pull it off. If he can wants it he'll make it. @wim's like that too.
They tends to write scripts that:
1) present a challenge (this would be tricky to make it musical like "Piano Motifs")
2) a lot of people seem to want (they just don't know it yet)
3) he will use in his own workflow (it's not really an EDM approach which is @_ki's passion)
But brilliance is needed.
Really loving all the updates, great job Fernando!
I'm not the world's authority on music theory but I have been a student of it for years and I'm noticing as more scales and modes are getting added to PM, I'm hearing what I consider "wrong" notes creeping in that weren't there in earlier versions so I'm trying to figure out what's going on. I'm not sure where secondary dominants are being used in PM's progressions but it's my understanding you're not going to typically see secondary dominants used in modal chord progressions. Secondary dominants are usually going to be seen in major or minor key progressions. I get more musical results when I restrict the scale to major or minor but when I pick one of the other modal scales that's often where the weird notes start to creep in.
As it is now if I export a midi file and there are notes I consider wrong, I just delete those notes and leave all the rest. I really like PM so I don't mean this to sound harsh at all I'm just trying to figure out where the wrong notes (outside the key) are coming from.
Stating the obvious here but C major (Ionian) and D dorian are the same scale so your perception of which scale it is will be based on whether there is a strong bass note (C bass for C major, D bass for D dorian) or whether a C major chord or D minor chord are being emphasized in the accompaniment. Modal chord progressions really need to emphasis the modes bass note or root chord as home base and don't have the typical V chord to I chord cadence found in major and minor keys. You don't want to play the I chord of the major key that the mode is derived from. Another example of this: a typical E Phrygian chord progression would be using Em to F to G emphasizing and resolving on the root chord E minor but if you play a C chord anywhere, your ear will perceive it all as C major which has the same notes as E Phrygian. Phrygian mode typically has the minor Spanish flamenco sound.
Here is my wish list for future updates:
1 iCloud or Files access OR the ability to export multiple MIDI files at once. I bought the MIDI IAP but I'm finding I still want to export MIDI to my DAW rather than send it out via MIDI to another app. I often send files to Logic on my Mac.
2 Faster tempos than 150 BPM
3 Real minor key chord progressions (using the harmonic minor scale for the satisfying V7 to I minor cadence, (G7 to C minor for the key of C Minor)
4 More variety in chord progressions using more chords per progression and longer strings of different chords. I was going to post links to some webpages about chord progressions but there are so many out there, if you google modal chord progressions there is a lot to work with. I don't hear many of the typical I IV V or I vim IV V major key progressions which have been overused but I'm surprised I don't hear them pop up in PM very often at all.
5 More time signatures including 5, 6 and 7 beats per measure (I realize this might over complicate things)
Sorry for the long winded post! Please don't take any of this as criticism. I love Piano Motifs!!
I'm happy to beta test if you ever need feedback!
Rozeta Scalar can take a MIDI stream and force all notes into a selected key. So, hand editing won't be required. I'm sure Fernando is writing the smartest algorhythms he can think of while insuring the melodies are as random (or unique) as possible.
Just keep calling up melodies until you get one worth saving or hand edit for perfection.
Overall it's very good and more musical than most of the generator type apps. But creativity and something everyone would like is a tough balancing act.