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How about a Save Settings feature? If we use similar labels for midi saves and settings we can come back and generate more motifs.
The bass and melody save options will help me a lot to target different midi apps with sharing and to get a good bass
Going and layer melodies on top. I suspect your arpeggios will be bass parts so selecting upper ranges will let me isolate an arpeggio to match a given bass. I’m going to get a lot of material this way.
$2 tip on it’s way for the bass melody MiDI some split. Keep ‘em coming.
It’s also easy to tweak your melodies in a piano roll editor. So building big projects in Xequence 2 should be a good way to make something complex like a orchestral score without laboring over the music theory.
Consider adding a rhythm feature at some point or a companion app for drum tracks. Start simple and cheap and use the tip to update option. This is like agile development for IOS products.
Wow. You can only TIP once per size... My second medium tip reports I have already purchased this... do you want it for free. You’ll need more categories or to add actual deliverables like pre-composed packs of midi loops.
Not really sure where to request this or if any others have this issue. I’d like to be able to select multiple midi destinations. AUM does great with the Ipad but I also use Irig2 to send to some instruments and others are connected and “seen” by piano motif via usb but as of now I can only select one instance. I realize I can export the file and take care of things that way. Just being lazy and want to send everywhere since it sounds so good 😎
I wanted to test the new MIDI files option and discovered that LK has also changed the way it's MIDI files import works.
LK now presents a pop-up that offers 0, 1, 2 which I assume are MIDI channels. This change send me into some detective work.
I did get a 4 channel test done and we're moving in the right direction. It's just a 4 bar loop and my favorite targets are Module Pro instances in AUM since I bought a good set of quality instruments, choirs and synths in that app and it's efficient code that can scale to multiple channels.
How about a third midi channel devoted to counterpoint melodies?
And maybe a fourth channel strictly for bass lines?
I would like to see a “song mode” whereby one could chain smaller motifs together?
This would also include a “block arranger” so one could easily move them around.
Maybe similar to the “Program Chord Progression“ interface.
As I am creating new motifs, I force the same key, tempo, scale, etc. so I can get similar motifs that could possibly work together in a bigger composition.
Still feeling the melody lines are a little too basic (timid).
I wish for more complex/adventurous notes (not all the time) and maybe some (faster?) arpeggiations as well.
Add a harmonic major scale to complement your harmonic minor scale, maybe?
I still absolutely LOVE this program and I hope it keeps developing!!
The DEV always seems to be listening and applying our suggestions when possible.
I am glad you took my suggestion on making a tip jar. I made another “tip” today.
Thank you!
Within the limits of the current architecture, this seems pretty spot on. I think many of us get a chord progression and a tempo dialed in and then lock the progression and keep randomizing the motifs. Being able to store those logically and recall quickly and even chain then makes sense from a compositional workflow perspective. I’ll put in a special plug for the request for more adventurous directions. There are many sessions in which I get wonderful new ideas that fit pretty neatly into “mostly expected” but then I want that “whoa where did that come from” to wake things up. Could even be a setting that takes you from “mild” to “wild”? Anyway, I concur that this is simply a wonderful tool and I’m content with the current constraints around sync and AUv3 if @azul3D_Apps can work even more compositional magic in. Ready with more tips!
Sync’ing with a drum app can be tricky but useful to add drama:
https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/uTT6VqLwXSuQyxEG8
It occurs to me I have 4 apps that should work well together around a chord progression:
I can pick the chord progression for 1, 2, 3 and combine the results in AUM using LK
for MIDI and AUM file player for any audio files. I may end up moving the audio to another DAW if I need to fine tune the pocket.
Has anyone tried this? I also invested in "One Man Band" with could contribute something. There are other chord based apps too that might work well.
UPDATE: Yes... they play well together. "Pascal Canon" chord progression.
I - V - vi - iii - IV - I - IV - V.
C G Am Em F C F G
@McD cool jam. does session band work well with sync / iaa?
My approach with Session Band was to export the audio and trigger it in an AUM File Player.
I used the same idea with "Soft Drummer". For Ibassist I exported the loop as a MIDI file
and loaded it and the Piano Motifs files into LK for triggering.
So, it's a file-based workflow between all 4 apps. But getting wave file loops and a MIDI Loop
makes song construction pretty easy. I could use the loops and create song forms (ABA, ABACA, etc). With enough loop content you can also do a "live mix" I could see creating a vocal track over this content or using it as a backing track for instrumental soloing.
A new version of Piano Motifs (v2.21) is now available. This version has the following new features:
• New accompaniment style, User Arpeggio, that allows the user to program their own arpeggio accompaniments.
• New randomly generated arpeggio accompaniments.
The new User Arpeggio accompaniment style is quite powerful and very easy to use. Apart from you being able to program your own arpeggio accomps, you can use it to get creative with your bass lines.
Enjoy!
@jgm12 , Piano Motifs doesn't allow routing to more than one MIDI destination. I was wondering if you could use the MIDI routing feature in AUM to perform your routing. You can go to the routing icon in AUM (the inverted S icon on the top right) and connect the AUM virtual Destination (where Piano Motifs is sending its MIDI Out) to the other USB destinations. I tried it with one USB destination and it works, and don't see why it wouldn't work for multiple destinations.
@McD, thanks for your feedback. I would be inclined to save the settings when saving the motifs internally. This would allow you to retrieve the settings when you select a motif from the library. I can't promise this feature in the next rev, but will see what can be done in future revs.
@thenoneone, thanks for your feedback and feature requests. Lots to process and investigate here.
What you are basically asking for is a multi-instrument song generation app, which could really strain the current algorithms and might not produce pleasing sounding music. A first step could maybe be to generate a new channel with a sustain chord, for use with a pad/strings/choirs as background.
Maybe something could be done here by selecting saved motifs from the library and arranging them to create a new motif. I will definitely research what could be done here.
This has been a controversial topic in the past. Since music is so subjective, for some, even an out of scale tone would be considered a "wrong" or "out of place" tone, and would not be pleasing to the ear. The Piano Motifs algorithms work hard to keep melodies in harmony with the chord progression.
For a more complex or adventurous sound have you tried using the secondary dominant, and parallel chord functionality available when programming chord progressions? Another option is to try the User Defined Melody Constraint, this allows you to program the notes to be used in the motif and can lead to some interesting sound.
I will see if I can add a mode where the algorithms are "loosened" up a bit.
@lukesleepwalker, well now I'm really not going to be sleeping any
If there was to be more wildness to the generation added, it’d be amazing to be able to tweak that as it played, I’m guessing that it wouldn’t be possible to be truly realtime, but even if it swapped to the new setting after a bar or other set time that’d help make it feel more spontaneous and as though you are in control...
This is going to he good... I'm eager to test out the baselines I can think of.
I re-mixed my last effort using MoodUnits for the synth/string/horn sounds:
Piano Motifs could be an excellent tool to quickly generate "sweetener arrangements" for typical singer/songwriter projects. I don't imagine those folks hang out here but producers do and they might appreciate the tip.
There is an issue in the newest version of Piano Motifs, so if you haven't updated don't update just yet. If you use the new arpeggio feature with the programmed chord progressions the app can crash. I apologize for this issue and will fix it ASAP!
I was going to mention this but I’ll just request a Credit button to take a tip back. I’m sure Apple won’t approve any form of payments to users. But I’ll wait to make my own basslines.
The new feature is tied to User Arpeggio with a pop up for setting 8 scale notes and octave. It will be cool.
Sorry @McD, you can still use this accompaniment feature but not with your own chord progressions. I have submitted a fix to Apple, hopefully it will be approved soon.
I'll have to make my own progressions because figuring out what you're using would be too
much work. I'm all about short cuts these days... finding optimizations using someone else's
hard won solutions.
Thanks ! Hadn’t thought of that and it’s perfect and easy. Now sending to multiple destinations !
Sorry bout the multlple post, getting used to how to do things here
The layering of "Piano Motifs" variations is paying off... 7 layers of melody over a single bass line:
A new version with a fix can now be downloaded from the App Store.
Quite lush and lovely.
Thanks... credit to the app.
It's really surprising how this app generated something that works this well.
That's good programing, right?
I think generating a lot of random trials is helpful to settle on something that
has potential... then collect 8 saves. Import 16 tracks into a DAW or MIDI player like
LK Matrix and see what you get.
Adding drums gives it some extra oomph.
Yowza, the user specified arp pattern is great! Very clever UI to squeeze it in. If the user could set the length of the note for each arp step from 1/16th through 1 it would make bass lines even more flexible and powerful. But that’s kicking the gift horse in the mouth, I suppose. It’s fun to think about the evolution of this app from its rather simple beginnings. It’s a power house now!
I agree... it would also be great if:
But Note length is a good place to start. I only ask because you take good ideas and make them happen when they are possible.