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OK, I think I see what you’re talking about. AUM appears in the PM MIDI listings so you can play an instrument that you have inserted in AUM. However, when you are in AUM, there is no listing for PM as a “source.” Maybe that has something to do with it. I think you should address this question directly to the developer because I am not qualified to answer why you can’t stop and start PM. I still feel it’s because PM is not designed as an IAA OR AUV3 application. Maybe it will become that in the future hopefully.
Not weird at all... I find the best workflow is to have Piano Motifs open in a "screen sharing"
mode. To do this:
Open AUM and it fills the screen THEN
Swipe up from the bottom edge and pause to reveal the Dock.
Touch and hold Piano Motifs in the Dock, drag it to the right or left edge of the screen, then lift your finger. (If it's NOT in the dock... step out of AUM and start it, then do this step).
Then you can start Piano Motifs in it's smaller instance at the edge of the screen and have AUM's user interface for the remainder of the screen.
It looks like this when you get it right.
https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/lz/xxrx2xjk2tb2.jpeg
Great solution! I could use that function as well. Thanks.
NOTE: Doesn't apply to iPhone use. Unless I'm missing something in that situation.
That would make sense because the screen on an iPhone would be too small. I have an 10.5 inch iPad Pro so I am able to do that.
A new version of Piano Motifs is available for download. This version includes the following new features:
• Added the ability to shift octaves for melody and accompaniment in the arrangement screen.
• Added new chord progressions.
• Added new preset accompaniments.
• Fixed issues when saving files with "/" in the name.
• Fixed crash when the first thing you do in audition mode is select the first entry of the library.
• Fixed truncated label when Bold Text accesibility mode is enabled on iPad.
• Minor UI improvements.
Enjoy!
Very nice @GeoTony! PM driving drums too.
@motmeister,
I’ll take a look to see what I can do.
You're very generous with your time! Thank you!
@Noxal, even though PM can have AUM as a MIDI Out destination, it doesn’t implement any sync to be able to start/stop from the AUM transport controls. A lot of apps use Ableton Link to achieve this. Unfortunately with the current PM implementation this isn’t possible.
McD you have just improved my life hugely ... I've spent hours flipping between screens when using PM and some similar apps ... wondering what all that blank real estate is doing on my screen ... making it all a bit frustrating ... and suddenly all is revealed in a blinding flash .... many many thanks for posting that.
Me too... I reached a level of frustration that led me to Google "split screen IOS".
NOTE: You pick a side (right or left) but you can pick that PM window up and slide it to the other edge by selecting the top of the window or discard it off the edge at any time.
I think you could also use the Home button and select PM in it's full screen instance if you have some arranging to do.
Here is a piece that demonstrates the new “shift octaves” capabilities of PM.
There is no note editing, it’s just about the arrangement of the various phrases produced by PM.
At certain times with this piece, I am also using very short bars (a fairly recent addition to the app) of 1, 2 & 4. There are many advantages to doing longer bars of 16 or more, however, shorter bars can yield some interesting results and expanded capabilities that you cannot get from longer bars.
Does anybody know if there’s a way to create one bar of silence?
Also, when using PM’s internal piano, is there a way of muting just the melody so I can listen only to the accompaniment?
Sometimes it makes it easier to identify which notes are clashing if I can hear the accompaniment (chord structure) by itself.
I'd recommend you get used to saving PM MIDI files and them import them into Atom2,
LK or Sequence 2. Adding extra silence will be easy once you get fluent with the piano roll
editing in one of these MIDI sequencers.
But @azul3D_Apps is always listening for interesting features he could add without difficult
re-designs and putting "silence" into the progression selector should be easy.
Another feature request that could be trivial to add. I like to point PM at AUM and muting the melody track is really easy there and the resulting sound is so much better using a quality piano or orchestra app or a great synth... worth it when you add PM on the edge of AUM.
So true... and having a piano roll editor handy helps fix the odd note you'd like to delete or
modify.
I thought of a hack to do this using Rozeta Scalar to filter out the notes for a silent bar. In this example, I select C major and I'd like to have the "silent bars" select from only the "Black keys" so they can be filtered out.
The closest I can get to force Piano Motifs to use a chord or only Black keys is
a B Major (B D# F#) which I can choose using the Secondary Dominant Chord triad option and choosing the B (V of iii).
Then I run the Piano Motifs output through Rozeta Scalar and REJECT all notes not in the C Major Pentatonic scale... I also remove all B's in the process
but that's needed for complete silence.
https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/sk/rphrb8ze1onv.jpeg
Here's a sample of the output:
It's only possible for Major scales. Of course you loose all B's in all chords...
like the 3rd of the dominant 7th G7. But a G7 no 3rd is still a powerful statement.
I suspect @azul3D_Apps will consider your request to serve up a bar of silence on request. It would help a lot of arrangement to have that and allow us to plug in drum fills, pick notes for solo instruments and such.
First off, thank you very much for exploring a solution for me! I do feel however, that for me, is way too much work to create one bar of silence. I’m looking for simplicity and that’s why I’m seeking it in PM. The way you’re suggesting would require too many steps and I would have to purchase that program and I would have to learn my way around it. But thank you anyway!
As far as muting the melody, I know that I can do that in AUM. And I realize I can and do use better quality instruments, which in fact I do use for my songs that I have posted here on the PM forum.
Again, there are so many steps involved like, firing up AUM, loading the instruments and assigning the midi channels, redirecting THE MIDI channels on PM, and so forth (At least 10 to 12 steps and that’s not including Moving back-and-forth with the screen share option. I just want to go to the MIDI Out page (in PM) and be able to mute either the melody or even sometimes the accompaniment so I can do a “quick” audition without having to leave the PM program. Is having this option absolutely crucial? No. But, it would nice.
I have a lot of music equipment in my studio and I’ve been writing songs from the ground up for over 40 years. Exploring generative programs is exciting for me because it is like sitting down with someone and brainstorming new ideas that the other brings. This program gives me a chance to collaborate bringing forth new ideas that I might never have thought of. However, If something becomes too complex to execute, than I lose the inspiration because there’s just too much technical stuff involved. Believe me, i’ve been there. There’s times when I’ve had great ideas, I boot up the computer, load the program and so on and so on and so on, until my energy dissipates along with my enthusiasm and I’ve lost that “aha” moment. I’d like PM to do as much as possible (easily I might add) within the app itself before I take it to another level.
I think this app is very important for the newbie who loves music, but doesn’t necessarily play an instrument and still wants to be involved in the creation process. Even if one doesn’t play an instrument, there is an art to the arrangement and a totally inexperienced person can grow from just being inspired with the proper tools that make it easily possible. A person like me, who is little more of a “veteran“ of music, appreciates this kind of tool in a different way. The advantages of PM are tremendous for both the new music user and an “old timer“ like myself. And that’s not to exclude all the other people who are between these two phases.
What makes this whole app even better, is that we have a developer (Fernando) that has gone above and beyond the call of duty. He listens to the user and he has implemented change when he is able to. I can’t think of many developers who have been this responsive. It’s quite incredible really.
As for you @McD, I appreciate all your generous suggestions and your insight to music as well.
I consider your participation in this forum invaluable. Thank you!
It is a lot of work but I got kick out of hearing that silence... even at the cost of all B's...
I like a challenging puzzle.
Keeping this thread active and on the forum's front page encourages more sales and more sales will keep @azul3D_Apps busy adding great features. I think the Bar of Silence is a very cool idea: musically and as an option for adding something by hand.
Clever idea. I wondered why not just use note probability controlled with a cc so I tried it and found out why. Latency and an unknown order of generation and processing of the midi makes it unworkable. I tried using a directly midi-mapped midi switch in Drambo and got the exact same symptoms so it’s not just extra aum-added latency. I also rearranged the the two StepBuds and that didn’t make any difference either.
This PM piece uses only three sections, no note editing and uses some octave shifting. I am using what I refer to as “progressive disclosure” or also known as “staggered entry,” to layer sounds and add interest. Different instruments add more texture even though some Instruments such as the strings (accompaniment) and French horn (melody) are playing the same parts as the piano (which is playing both the accompaniment and the melody).
Nice one!
There has got to be a musician's pub somewhere in the world called Bar of Silence...
Most surely there is. 😂
Thank you!
I thought this might be of interest to everyone.
Beethoven’s uses of silence ...
https://www.jstor.org/stable/23039954?seq=1
@mcd, @thenoneone, @GeoTony,
I think I can come up with something to be able to have silent bars both in a progression and in an arrangement.
I think it will be a very useful feature for a lot of reasons... intros, fills, defining sections in longer MIDI compositions, etc.
I hope we keep brainstorming useful features that are feasible to implement using the
existing app as the starting point.
If I may, I’d like to throw in a suggestion before you start coding. I think there are different ways to implement silence whether it’s in a beat or a bar or whether it occurs only in the arrangement view or within a randomized motif itself.
I personally would like to see the ability to dial in 1, 2, 3 or 4 beats of silence rather than only one measure by itself. It would be more versatile. Then the user could decide how long the breaks could be adding as many beats as they need. For instance, I might only want 2 beats (rests) worth of silence. If I need six beats to occur after one motif, I can always dial up 2 for one block and 4 for another block to make the 6 I need.
Something else you might want to consider, is how it looks in the arrangement view. In my mind’s eye, I see white typography with the numbers 1, 2, 3 or 4 on a black block.
I would appreciate it if anybody else would chime in on this. Maybe you have an idea that I missed or a better way of implementing this feature.
So.. when is this going Auv3?
Hi @thenoneone,
What I can offer right now is being able to add silent bars on any bar when you are entering your own chord progressions and being able to add a section with a user defined number of silent bars in the arrangement screen. I understand it would be ideal to be able to determine silence per beat but that isn't possible right now without significant modifications to the internal structures and UI of Piano Motifs.