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@McD, you can currently create silence in the accompaniment, albeit with some tinkering. You can use the User Arpeggio Accompaniment and set all the pattern to “Rest” “-“ . Then you can specify the number of bars and play with the Melody Frequency setting for more or less melody notes.
Thanks @GeoTony
No probs @azul3D_Apps … on the latest version I think there might be a minor ‘feature’… when you change the octaves on a section e.g. set Accompaniment to -1 and then save it, when you reopen the section the octave is set back to 0 again. I think behinds the scenes it might be storing it as when you try and change the octave again it sometimes doesn’t let you even though it is showing as 0. Minor issue and easily get roundable but a bit confusing to begin with 😊
Just thought I would post this x-link as this piece uses the new 'silent' feature in PM + almost everything played by one instance of PM
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/44963/037-canada-goose
@GeoTony, once you save an arrangement the octave shifting is "baked" into the new arrangement, so that is why when you reopen the arrangement the octave shift is back to 0. On not being able to change the octave, the octave shifting feature detects the minimum and maximum octaves used on the tracks, and it limits the shifting so that octaves don't go below 0 and above 6.
Thanks @azul3D_Apps , think I understand. Still think it would be useful to have some visual feedback re octave but not sure it warrants any work on your behalf... All the best
I got another perfect motif! (at least for me)
I let just the main theme (1 of the 3 motifs in this piece) run on for 20 minutes ...
... fell into a trance and got lost ... in a good way!
I think it took me about 50 different motifs to find 2 more that worked together with the theme. Took much time in the arrangement as well.
All parts, straight out of the box from PM. No note edits.
Mixed with various instruments and effects in AUM.
BTW, I just discovered an app called MidiMixer that does automated mixing (records your moves) and was designed specifically for AUM, in case anyone is interested.
No, I didn’t use it for this particular song but I’m going to be learning it. It’s going to make life a little easier doing all that fancy-schmancy stuff with mixing. Fades, panning, muting and whatnot.
Once I figure this MidiMixer out, I will be remixing this piece soon.
Beautiful ambient piece! Liked the geese, the clock like ticking sound and what you were playing with GeoShred.
Thanks @thenoneone … I like your last post by the way… like you say , the art of using Piano Motifs is ignoring the 98% that are perfectly Ok but don’t quite fit what you are trying to achieve… did @McD call it curating a while ago?
in the age of choice, we can have, and be, anything
what do we want to have, and be (and do)
... «--= this is a self//reflective thought
i'd been re:sisting ... or not:sisting, certainly avoiding ... [[this app]]
it felt just a little too deep into the machine (for me)
"let my monkey paws fall on the screen,
and feel the noise it makes"
the obligation to song, the obligation to choice
how to once again, re:move my self?
"create and select patterns with the sound down )"
only just opened the door to this app, it seems really Lovely )
i think it will be a pleasure to choose )
thanks for creating it
Some humble thoughts for your consideration ...
“A found object is a natural or man-made object, or fragment of an object that is found (or sometimes bought) by an artist and kept because of some intrinsic interest the artist sees in it”
A quote from this article ... https://www.tate.org.uk/art/art-terms/f/found-object
How is it much different if I sit down with another musician to collaborate with, verses an (AI) application suggesting parts? Am I not in collaboration with the developer of such apps? Can a developer be an artist?
Is coding an art? I find these interesting questions.
(May I suggest Brian Eno as an example for AI collaboration.)
Just because a conductor conducts a piece by Rachmaninoff, does that mean they are not an artist because they didn’t write the piece? Conducting is an art. Arranging is an art. Mixing is an art. Resampling is an art. For me as an artist, I want to put as much “me” into my “found” creations as possible. I think this is mainly a personal issue and some people will have different boundaries on how much participation an outside source may contribute ... wether human or not ... drawing inspiration from where one can find it. It’s all what you are comfortable with as an artist.
Note: Many years ago (in the 70’s), I was in bands playing lead guitar and (basic background ) keyboards. I wrote nearly 75% of the original music and the rest was through collaboration with the other band members. Artificial Intelligence collaboration, for me, is new and exciting and fresh. A different way of interacting with the music creation process. Some might say this is lazy. I argue that I put in as much time and effort just bringing these motifs to life as I would if I had written the music from the ground up. When working with AI, there are new challenges that constantly present themselves that you never had doing things the old way. Teaching an old dog new tricks and learning new programs (this is where you can picture me tearing my hair out!) so that I can actually glue all that stuff together and make it all work! ... omg ... and I think of all those hours that I put in as I go to bed at 5 AM. Good grief! 🤪
@thenoneone I appreciate your thoughtful posts on this topic. I've been writing songs for 35 years now (it is almost painful to type that number!) and I find that composing using ideas from Piano Motifs is not unlike collaborating with a human although the dynamic is just different (not better or worse, just different). I wrote a song that doesn't contain much more than the chord progression and about six notes of melody from Piano Motifs and it's a fresh tune for me. It starts and ends in a place that I would not have naturally gone, and I love playing and listening to this song as a result.
AMEN!
Of course, piano Motifs has the musical wisdom of @azul3D_Apps... and they are not all gems. But each user may have different ideas of what stones to toss and which to include in the finished necklace. Your gem is my worthless bauble and vice versa. It does have a fairly traditional musical aesthetic... like 2nd year piano methods.
We could beg for more styles and reward @azul3D_Apps with tips for bosss nova or reggae or EDM. There are chordal and rhythm patterns that define each style.
Once the door is opened to styles it creates a whole store of IAP’s or opportunities to generate tips which we would prefer so each can pay according to their situation and still share in the community. I wish more would share their work here.
Money matters, of course. I would never presume to know someone else’s circumstances and how money intersects. But just thinking about spreading musical ideas into the world and collaboration, perhaps the satisfaction is knowing how many serendipitous moments one creates musically. @azul3D_Apps is doing pretty well on this front.
Keeping this thread alive helps sell more copies and generates tips from updates. But nothing sells like great demos of what you can do with it. SHARE!
I totally agree!
This forum could show (by example) what the potential is for PM, which in turn creates a (hopefully) larger user base for @azul3D_Apps so he can be more successful and can give him the incentive to keep evolving PM. I think it shows that this developer has a passion to expand the capabilities of PM and not just simply make money. As the program improves, so does the fun factor for me in creating! Wheeeee!
Please Tip Your Bartender! (PTYB!)
I got an idea that made me run to my iPad to try out.
Bi-tonal MIDI = G major chords over C
The Bass MIDI file is using a C major chord progression:
Then the string melodies are generated using Chord Sustian in one save and Chord Syncop in the 2nd save in the Key go G major:
Then I saved all MIDI and loaded them into LK and assigned as follows:
1. Bass in C into a pizz Bass
2. Chord Sustain Melody in G into legato string
3. Chord Syncop Melody in Full Sordino strings
The resulting harmony is 2 bars of each of these in a loop:
Those are chords you can't get from Piano Motif in any other way.
The combinations using this bi-tonal approach are endless and a lot more complex than the normal Piano Motifs output. If you like this sort of harmonic tension... I know I do!
It's Gil Evans style arranging behind Miles stuff like "Sketches of Spain".
I then made a recording and played some SWAN Cello on top in C Lydian to get those F#'s that are in the C #11, G maj 7.
I used the G sus... you may have to through away any C major baseline that
adds in a F from the C major scale. An odd note for a baseline to play but listen for them or send the MIDI through a "C lydian" filter like Rozeta Scalar
to stick to the intended scale.
This would work well with G minor over C minor as well to produce:
A minor or E minor over C is good too.
In my example the chords run in parallel but they could be chosen to align and split, etc.
The options are endless.
ANOTHER IDEA:
Make a baseline MIDI that plays at 60BPM and syncopated or arrpegiated MIDI parts that play at 120BPM to get more Piano Motif variety. You will probably have to use "stretching" of the Bass MIDI part in Atom 2 to get the 60BPM effect. 1/2 time in other words for the bass. Or switch it around and
have a fast syncopated bassline with slow (1/2 speed) arpeggios over the top.
I added 2 more tracks based on the chords:
Em - Em - D/A - G/D - Em/B - Em/B - Gsus2 - Gus2 in a random style and arpeggio.
Here's the results using just the Piano Motifs MIDI. NO live playing... just track mixing in AUM to make a bit of an arrangement. That weird spot if where I changed the "SIZE" setting on my new SparkVerb. I got a gift card for Cinco de Mayo... which is when Mexico celebrates my birthday.
NOTE: I lowered every part in AUM by 5 1/2 steps to make the bass richer
so it's now in G Lydian and all chords above would sound down a 4th.
@thenoneone i very much agree
@lukesleepwalker too
and though the wonderful generative apps like rosetta, riffer, etc, were among some of my favourites, for some (strange) reason, i had (foolishly) resisted piano motifs
since purchase, i have been pondering why?
did i think piano motifs would be too good at it's job?
did i see in piano motifs, the ongoing machine replacement//outgrowth of humanity?
did i ... ?
it's often said that machines struggle with being 'random',
and that if 'rules' are encoded, enforced, how will we mutate and progress change?
so far, (after a comment from @GeoTony), i am using Piano Motifs to set up drum patterns
this is really Lovely stuff
and as my grrr at being 'known' by the machine subsides (where even spotify "suggestions" have me grumbling), and my feelings that, "we have enough songs" is overcome, i can see collaborating with Piano Motifs will become even more fun
Question how does one add more than one chord to a SINGLE bar?
@hisdudeness said:
One must ask for that feature to be added and wait for a response from @azul3D_Apps.
I like your last two pieces @McD . Also like the difference between your well planned approach in this instance and this attempt by me where the main motif that popped out of PM just made me think of Green Onions by Booker T so I made something up around that. Vive la difference! (alss posted in Daily Screen Capture Jams as it sort of fits in there as well)
You captured the spirit of a Prog Rock Jam band centered around that great "Session Keys" IAP in Roli Noise. The Hammond had such a great percussive attack. Few synths have that bite and it's such a great sound. Booker T indeed... Memphis Organ innovator. He defined the style of the early rock organ based upon the blues/gospel genre.
Don't know if these are great demos or not, but are samples of Piano Motifs with different instrumentation, producing very different styles. All are Piano Motifs generated (no note editing), with some effects and a couple with some drums added.
“I’m not just the Men’sHair Club owner... I’m also a Men’s Hair Club user.” - a bald guy.
Thanks @azul3D_Apps for the examples. Amazing how varied they are to say that they all popped out of the same app. Particularly liked Fireflies.
I was inspired by this thread to make a video how I integrate Piano Motifs in my workflow to create synth basslines. Here you go:
@FloRi89, what a cool tutorial! Nice track!
A new version of Piano Motifs (2.32) is available. This version has the following new features:
• Added the ability to shift the octaves for both the melody and the accompaniment of a motif
• Added new rest patterns
• Enhanced melody generation algorithm
Enjoy!
@azul3D_Apps Thank you for another sweet looking update! Just installed it and will give it a go this weekend.