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Sounds good! I know that you have limitations because of program design.
I’ll take anything you can give on the this and I would still be very happy!
Just a quick question. Would we be able to move the silence (empty) bars around in case we didn’t like where we put them at first?
Thanks very much @azul3D_Apps for picking up the request for silence....
The title refers to the angst of separation.
I am really liking this scale ... it really gives this piece an interesting flavor.
There’s a beautiful dissonance to it.
I wish there were more uncommon scales to choose from.
(It’s been pretty quiet here in the forum this week.)
A new version of Piano Motifs (v2.30) is available for download. This version has the following new features, requested by forum members:
• Added ability to add silent bars when defining your own chord progression or when making arrangements.
• Removed empty track when exporting separate melody and accompaniment files to MIDI.
Enjoy!
@thenoneone, you should be able to move them around in the arrangement screen.
@thenoneone, melancholic and evocative. Is this the Harmonic Minor scale?
@azul3D_Apps I have a question that can improve the app.
Is it very difficult to save the settings for next session?
Hi @Noxal, every time you save a motif it saves the settings you have specified. So if you want to save your settings for a new session you can save a motif with your settings. When you start a new session you can go to the library and select "Load Settings" and you are ready to go.
My fault! Thanks, this is very helpful for me.
Yes it is. The G Harmonic Minor scale in 6/8 time.
And thank you so much for the new “silent bar” feature!
By the way, I tried tipping you again but it keeps telling me “purchase failed.”
I want to be able to tip again. (multiple tips)
I'm going to make a loop of 4 bars of silence and see if I can get some rest when the neighbors have a party this weekend. I hope you have a good algorithm with noise canceling
technology. Maybe I should invest in music cancelling technology too.
I hope we can get to the bottom of how to make the tip feature work when we're eager to say thanks and keep the virtuous cycle going for more feature requests and additions.
@thenoneone, thanks for your support! Yes, there seems to be an issue when there are delays in the response from the Apple servers and if you press the tip button again before the first transaction is complete, you will get the already purchased or purchase failed message. I think @mcd ran into this issue before.
I did... and I spent your money on yet another app. I owe you one and maybe another if silence is as good as I expect it to be. Usually silence is preferable to my musical output so this could be a game changer.
As PM continues to evolve, I have found even the smallest additions have moved the program forward in big ways. So now, I have found new and better ways to replace some of my old methods.
For instance, when creating a motif, before ... I used many bars (sometimes as many as 80) to create a passage. The reason I did this was, to get more variance over time with the melody so it did not sound so static. So that initially was a good thing. The bad thing was, it would increase the likelihood of having more “bad” notes that would ruin the entire motif and I would throw out all 80 bars. Time consuming. Yes, I know ... you could edit it in another program, but that was very cumbersome. I want to get my best horse out of the gate before I leave PM.
With the recent addition of “sections” and shorter “bar” lengths (1, 2, 4 & 8) and the use of the (older) “Lock Prev (ious)” feature, this opens up new and tremendous ways of creating more flawless motifs.
So, if I may, let me give you an example on how you might improve your approach to composing with these new features in PM.
First try, less is more. Try making shorter bar lengths (8 or possibly 4 is a good start point to establish theme/identity). If you get some sour notes, hit “new“ then “play“ and try again until you get something pleasing to your ear. Once you have that special motif, use the “Lock Previous” feature. Then you can create variations that use the same accompaniment with varying melody lines. Keep repeating the above procedure until you get a pleasing result. Then you stock pile your favorite variations (see related request below) and as you start creating with the sections feature, you can use what makes the most sense to your ear and throw out the rest. This way your sections can sound more cohesive because the foundation remains the same, at least until you change it (maybe by changing the key or the scale). For example by using the common approaches of, intro, verse, chorus, bridge, outro ... or something along those lines. What that does is, it keeps your accompaniment part the same but varies the melody. Remember that you can join all these smaller motifs later to create more cohesive structures and have them sound like they actually were meant to be together. I hope I have explained this properly and if someone can say it in a clearer way, please do so.
Now, because of “Sections,” I have an awful lot of variations and as I have mentioned before, it would be nice to be able to put all my arrangements and connected motifs into one (song) folder so they are not so strewn all over the place in the library. And my library just keeps growing ... approaching 150 motifs. (am I the only one?) :-)
I also have a question for whomever. Could someone please explain to me what is MIDI Export Loop Ready? What is the difference between off and on? What is it that is being done to the motif and how will I hear the difference (if any)? This may be obvious to others, but I’m not sure I fully understand what it’s doing.
Ok, that worked! I did 2 tips for the same amount and had no problem.
Tried to use the silent bars feature and it is crashing. I loaded a previous motif/arrangement and sometimes I was able to move it from the bottom towards the top of the song and other times it just wouldn’t budge from the last section where it is created. And I would tap and hold it to move but the program would crash.
First impressions are that it seems to only be when I import an arrangement versus building an arrangement from the ground up. If I import a previous arrangement, I can’t easily (if at all) move the silent bar without the program crashing. If I start creating a new arrangement, it seems to be OK ... at least from my initial few tries.
@thenoneone, glad to hear the new features are helping with your workflow, which BTW is really well explained above. You're getting really good results with it as can be seen by the pieces you have shared.
The MIDI Export Loop Ready is there, because PM by default, extends the last note of the melody of a motif and gradually lowers its volume so that the end of a Motif isn't abrupt. This causes in some cases for Motifs to have an extra bar of melody but not of accompaniment. This presents issues when you are exporting MIDI and want to use motifs in loops. What this setting does is to not extend that last note, beyond the last accompaniment bar.
Sorry you're having issues with old arrangements. I will DM you with some questions to make sure we can get to the bottom of this.
@azul3D_Apps you have really created something special here...
Pretty cool. How did you make it? All PM? Which strings app?
On a related note, a week or two ago I discovered the fifth mode of harmonic minor. It is now one of my favorite scales.
@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
All with PM. No editing of notes. Motifs right out of the box but carefully selected and for me that’s the most important thing. Just because PM spits out a great motif, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to work in the bigger picture with other motifs. Selection is an art form and so is arrangement IMHO. For me, it’s all about the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.
Once I completed the arrangement in PM, everything was sent to AUM and recorded in real time.
So it was just about getting the right mix with the right instruments. I had four tracks. Three of the tracks were all playing the same accompaniment but were played by different instruments at different times. I only had one instrument assigned for the melody and that was a cello. The background string sounds and the cello were all made using the “iSymphonic” app. I purchased many of their sound packs and I love them. The piano sound that I used was from the new “Pure Piano” app. (I also use the “Ravenscroft 275” piano app but this time I decided to use the Pure Piano just because.) I’m happy with both for different reasons. There is a fourth track that’s not quite as apparent because it’s mixed way back. It was done with the Digital D1 app and the “ lovely organ” preset.
Nice update... the silence option is very effective. I created a basic progression, hooked up some of my favorite apps and noodled over the top with a Cinematic Piano + Flute combo.
Excellent work by @thenoneone and @McD . I find PM inspires in lots of ways and the silence in arrangements is a great feature… a tip is on its way to you @azul3D_Apps , many thanks.
.> @GeoTony said:
Yes, I think one of the nice features of silence is the drama that it can create as well as bridging over the emptiness with melody lines from one section to another.
@McD illustrates an excellent way of using emptiness between phrases for bridging with melody. It’s like crossing over a river by yourself (as melody) and the river is the emptiness (or silent bar) before reaching shore (or the next section). This method creates even more emphasis/focus on the created melody when the accompaniment is missing or the background music is not present.
What I’d like to show you, in my example, uses silence not so much for a bridge but instead, uses silence for creating drama through anticipation. Think of it like stepping off a cliff (from the 1st motif), falling through space (the silent bar), and then, at the last second being caught and saved by the net (the 2nd motif). Yes, I use more instruments on the second phrase which creates a larger sound, but it wouldn’t have been as impactful if there wasn’t the couple measures of silence before it.
Having silence for the accompaniment will create that effect with the 2 voices too. That would be useful to avoid the run on effect and make sections in an arrangement more interesting. We keep discovering good ideas to make the results sound more compelling and useful without extra work. Some of those “off” notes would sound interesting if the accompaniment would layout for that portion of the phrase. Just count bars to the clinker and add some silence and it might be really different. I’d love that! Of course I like to layer more that 2 parts so this ability to carve out space will be great fir some complex scores with a lot of parts that talk back and forth. Cello fir 2 bars and violin for 2 in a pattern. Very powerful tool used that way.
A new version of Piano Motifs is available which fixes this issue.
And another cool thing that you can do with silent bars is have what’s called a “false ending.“ Whereby the listener thinks the song is finished but after a moment of silence, the song picks right back up again on the main hook for the song.
Here is a (fun) classic example. The “fake out” occurs two minutes and five seconds in.
Thank you! That was fast!