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I’m looking to setup Piano Motifs to be used in Logic Pro iPad or Roland Zenbeats, I have placed on a track as midifx but it will only output channel 1 on the track it is on and will not play the additional instrument tracks setup with midi inputs to ch2 and ch3. Has anybody got this working in either logic ipad or Zenbeats as I can’t find any guides on how to do the setup
Hi @Djw66, MIDI routing in Logic Pro is non existent. There isn't a very straightforward way to send MIDI from one instance of PM to more than one Logic Pro instrument and furthermore there isn't a way to filter MIDI channels. A cumbersome workaround could be to first save the motif you want to work with. Then on each Logic Pro instrument instantiate PM as a MIDI Fx and a MIDI channel filtering AU after that. Finally, you load the motif on each PM instance.
I don't have ZenBeats, so I don’t know how MIDI routing is done there, but maybe someone else can chime in on how to do it.
I have an approach I have used with Gadget that might provide a model for getting around the routing limitations in Logic. I run Piano Motifs in AUM and then have three tracks in Gadget monitoring the three different midi channels. I sync using midi sync, due to Gadget’s limited Ableton Link implementation - however Link should work in Logic (midi sync won’t as both AUM and Logic can only be masters AFAIK).
[Edit] Just did a quick test in Logic and it works fine…
Thanks for the advice, I did some testing also and Sand will work with PF on a channel as midi fx sending to instrument channels with the instruments on. You would think a flagship DAW like logic would be able to do what a £10 or £20 in AUM case can do without needing to route through other apps or export and import stems. I believe Cubasis works without any external routining but means buying another DAW or just not using PF as a creative tool
Thanks for the tip about Sand - must look into that… 👍
Ruled out Sand as it is too basic, it works much like AUM but with loop recording built in.
I tested with Drambo today and wile you can put PF on the master track and route the midi to other individual tracks I couldn’t get it to record the midi on them only the master track. I worked around that you can record the audio in a sampler then remove the plugin but this means saving samples for every song or 16 bars and triggering them, unless anyone can work out how to record the midi. If not I would just have to play it as a plugin.
Did you try PM in AUM with Logic? I was surprised at how easy it was. Being able to toggle Link on and off with the button next to the transport in Logic made it very simple. Might be a nice workflow until Logic gets better midi routing, assuming it ever does.
@Djw66 You can export the midi from PM too, not just live record it. Seems a lot simpler than that audio sampling workflow you described earlier.
I’m looking really to have it routing without using any other external app
I was trying to figure out this same way of routing PM in Cubasis forever. I didn’t want to use another app but found a way to do it that at least feels like I’m not using another app. I use MidiFire. I used a Shortcut that when I tap the icon it opens MidiFire in the background and Cubasis in the foreground. Download the Cubasis app icon and use that for the shortcut on your home screen. Feels just like you are using Cubasis as normal. I never even look at MidiFire but I can route PM in Cubasis however I want.
I just put PM on the midi fx slot of an empty instrument and route all channels out to midi fire. Then add a channel with whatever instrument in Cubasis and set the routing input to MidiFire and filter the midi channel to 1,2 or 3. Repeat for the other channels. This is a simple set up but you can do all kinds of routings in MidiFire if you want.
My explanation probably sucks so I can do better or make a video if anyone is interested.
That sounds interesting, a video would help see how it all goes together and works if you have time
I would love to see a video as well. This sounds like something I’ve been looking for.
You can record the PM channels on separate Drambo tracks. I recommend this: a midi mixer (mutes) module on each of those tracks, with 2 inputs; the track itself, and the PM channel of interest. After the midi mixer, insert a midi AU module with Drambo midiFX here (Drambo inside Drambo). Tap its Rec button when you want to record PM onto the track. This will recordt the PM channel onto the outer Drambo instance.
Thanks this, might also be interesting. Would you have more detail either images or video to show the setup and how it works?
Sure, try this Drambo project, a template for recording 3 Piano Motifs channels to 3 tracks in Drambo.
Double-tap the midi icons on each channel filter for the tracks to see that they get their midi from PM.
Enable the REC buttons and hit play to record midi to clips. After that, use the midi mute toggles to decide if you want Pure Piano to play the recorded clip or the current PM output.
It’s been a while since I did it, hopefully that was accurate enough to get you going:)
… I just tried and it recorded fine, just make sure you generate a motif first (PM is in init state in the upload).
(I used this template to record multiple takes of the various accomp styles into different clips for comparison)
As much as I love this app, and as interesting as the results turn out, I’m having a heck of a time figuring out how to get all the settings configured if I kinda know what I want… I often feel like I’m pushing a rope.
I appreciate that @azul3D_Apps has done some tutorial vids, but I think it would be REALLY helpful if the app came with a collection of preset for various genres…
For example, a few blues styles, a few jazz styles that cover a few styles of jazz, soul/neo-soul, rock, progrock, etc…
Or, if more tutorials are being planning, maybe like… Let’s make a blues shuffle… Then walk through each setting, why it was chosen and more importantly why the other options are NOT chosen.
Because the interface is a bit clunky/complex, and because it’s kind of a batch thing (stop sequencer, go into settings, fiddle with a setting, generate, listen, repeat… Honestly it feels a little like the equivalent of C++ programming for music making where “generate” is a compile step).
This thing is such a brilliant app, and it feels like it should/could be used for stuff way more powerful than just a complex random generator. Apps like Cykle, Polyphase are more interactive where you can kind of integrate into something, PianoMotifs feels like you need to have more arcane knowledge to craft a spell.🤣
I don’t intend this to be critical of the app, just more of a suggestion to figure out how to open it up to be more useful and powerful…
Anyway, just a few thoughts after spending a few more hours with it…
@azul3D_Apps i love piano motifs. Question: is there already a way to input chords via midi input? If not would you be amenable to the possibility of adding it?
Hope you are well
Hi @MonkeyDrummer,
Very glad to hear you love the app 😀. I have intentionally left genres out of the settings and have based the settings on musical concepts. Sometimes these musical concepts can approach a genre, but many times the genre can be more related to other factors like the instrumentation and rhythm section used. TBH, I don't really know many details about a lot of musical genres. I don't know if Piano Motifs could even cover some of the genre examples you gave (soul/neo-soul, progrock 😊). As you know, there’s always a lot of opinions about what constitutes a genre, and I don't know if I want for the app to go down that rabbit hole. I would prefer for the settings to be musical and for the user to decide what genre label they want to give to it, but who knows, maybe in the future I can think about what can be done in this area. I'll see what I can do in future tutorials to explain why certain settings are chosen. If you ever have a question about how to configure Piano Motifs to approach a certain style or what any of the different settings do, please contact me at azul3dapps(at)gmail(dot)com.
Hi @audiblevideo, there is currently no way to input chords via MIDI input. At the moment, I wouldn't be able to offer this type of functionality. Even though at a high level this could seem straightforward, the implementation is quite far from that, a big project in itself.
@azul3D_Apps congratulations on creating one of the most instantly musical midi generators ever. Just wow. Violin is my main instrument and I absolutely love generating some interesting accompaniment to give me things to respond to and write new melody lines. 💕
The only thing that ever bugs me is that the UI doesn't resize well on small screens. Mostly what happens is if the window isn't sized right for the UI then it cuts it off, and it seems like there's a minimum size and then the ui won't go smaller. It means that it's not possible to use PM in portrait mode on a phone.
A small problem maybe, but possibly there's a quick fix 🤷🏽♂️
In any case thank you for this quite unique and endlessly useful app.
@Tentype, thanks!
There is a minimum size that was defined as one in which buttons and controls could be used properly and labels are readable. The solution would be to make the UI scrollable. Making the UI scrollable would be a major effort due to the way the UI has been coded. Maybe this is something that I could think about when, and if, I totally revamp the UI, but it isn’t something I can offer at the present time.
A new version of Piano Motifs (v4.50) is now available. What's new in this version:
• New Melody Chords Accompaniment Style. The accompaniment will consist of chords which will be determined by the melody note that is being played on a beat. A chord will be played if the melody note falls in the triad of the chord for the bar. The chord will have an inversion such that the lowest note of the chord is the note being played by the melody.
• Refined both the Melody and Accompaniment Arpeggio algorithms for more variety.
• Added new accompaniments for randomly generated motifs.
• Added automatic scrolling to the last viewed page of the manual.
• Fixed issue when instantiating a new instance of PM in Sync mode, the Sync button wasn't highlighted. (AUv3 Only)
Tip for Melody Chords Accompaniment: Sometimes a random motif might have very few melody notes so the motif will be sparse.To avoid having a very sparse motif try increasing the Melody Note Frequency.
An example of a track using the new Melody Chords Accompaniment:
Enjoy!
You are the maestro! I can’t believe how many variations you keep coming up with and I dig the new melody chords! I even like the sparse motifs that are sometimes generated, especially for atmospheric pieces at slow tempos.
Thanks @lukesleepwalker ☺️! Agreed, Melody Chords can work for many different musical styles.
MidiFire works with Logic Pro iPad only when you use the PF standalone app, the plugin as a midifx does not seem to work
A new version of Piano Motifs (v4.51) is now available. What's new in this version:
• Divided the Chord & Bass Accomp Style into 5 different types (Regular, Slow, Syncopated, Vary and Random) because the style covered too broad of a category of accompaniments.
• Added new accompaniment patterns to the Chord & Bass Accomp Style.
• Added new accompaniment patterns to the Arpeggio Accomp Style.
• Refined melody generation algorithm.
This is a description of the different Chord & Bass Accomp Style types (from the Manual):
Any: All the different types are chosen randomly.
Reg: The accompaniment is composed of 1/8 notes. Tip: This accompaniment could be used for Rock/Pop music styles.
Slow: The accompaniment is composed of 1/4 notes. Tip: This accompaniment could be used for Ballad/Pop music styles.
Syncop: The accompaniment is syncopated. Tip: This accompaniment could be used for Jazz like music styles.
Vary: The chords for the accompaniment have variations from the basic chord. Tip: This accompaniment could be used for Impressionist music styles.
Rand: A beat for the accompaniment is either a bass or a chord chosen randomly.
Try these different accompaniments and notice the differences. See how you can incorporate these accompaniments in your music.
If you like all these accompaniments and the music that Piano Motifs generates, please consider leaving a review in the App Store.
Enjoy!
Very nice. Thank you for these great updates!