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  • @ArcaneScreams said:

    I don't think you can change that filter. Not only that, but after playing with the ADSR for a while, I found I had a very difficult time getting a smooth transition out of any sounds, and that was with the attack and release all the way up. After giving this app more than a fair chance, and wondering why it is advertised as 'analog' and not 'digital', and a number of other reasons too long to list, I've deleted it. It just seems like a silly thing. It has certainly provided a hypnotizing experience on more than a few people, just like the ad says.

    Yep, my hypno session lasted 30mins. Not a bad value against a proper hypnotherapy session. And you can have it in a comfort of your own armchair! ;)

  • Yeah I deleted it yesterday, the sounds just aren't my thing. Fun to jam with for a while though. I can totally understand the excitement for people into this kind of music, the interface is sweet. Kind of mind boggling just considering the math involved in all of the wave shaping. Nice to have in the cloud, happy customer at $5

  • @supadom I tried to be as objective as I could be when looking at the overall picture. There is way too much flash, and not enough substance. That flash covers up it's shortcomings. And there are a lot of them. I'm not talking about IAA, or AB, or anything like that. I mean basic oscillator filtering, etc. For an app that will soon charge $10.00 a toss, this is just weak. Moving on.

  • I honestly wasn't there lurking and waiting for people to get disillusioned. I was happy for all to be happy and felt a bit crap for myself that I'm such a fussy git that just can't enjoy the little things in life. As you've said though. There is very little in a way of changing the parameters. The only thing you can do is apply a clearly sophisticated LFO to volume, pitch, filter and pan. The idea is very interesting and worth a pursuit but id say it really need a proper synth inside. At least something like one of the gadgets from Korg. The same goes for the drum machine. Clearly a sample import would serve as a workaround for many or the sound shortcomings but having more in-app sound control would make it so much more immediate. I'm sure the developer gets that in at some point in time. Hopefully before some other mega app comes out and sweeps it off its feet. I hope for the former so at least I will have my entry fee paid :)

  • We can get to the samples thru iFunBox, I think. Or, for those more adventurous souls, there is another way. Being the curious lunatic that I am, I may strip them all and see what I can squeeze out with my own stuff.

  • edited June 2014

    @ArcaneScreams said:

    We can get to the samples thru iFunBox, I think. Or, for those more adventurous souls, there is another way. Being the curious lunatic that I am, I may strip them all and see what I can squeeze out with my own stuff.

    Found them via iFunbox, but had trouble replacing them.

  • edited June 2014

    @SpookyZoo I ran across it last night looking around. I recall them being buried deep. Gimme a few to look around again, and I'll get back with you?
    Haha, nevermind then. Notice anything about the numbers, of the waves, I mean?

  • edited June 2014

    Oh, sorry I found them and edited my post before seeing your reply @ ArcanScreams

    I can't see a consistent pattern among the sample folders for each. Some have 14 samples that are named up in 4's, some only have 8 samples etc...

    Couldn't seem to delete or replace them though.

  • edited June 2014

    @supadom yeah, you use the @ symbol but for some reason, the backend software doesn't parse it properly if it's wrapped in double asterisks. I dunno why the same software double asterisks quotes.

    Not being the forum police! I see you do it fairly often and didn't want you to think you smelled is all. You might smell though, I dunno.

  • edited June 2014

    Ok cool, so I'm still in the dark. If i shouldn't use asterisks, what should i do instead? Just @?
    P.s. I do smell, that's why this forum is all the social life I have. Also screen time and bad diet (cereal for lunch) kinda go hand in hand.

  • edited June 2014

    @SpookyZoo Shoot me a pm if you wanna talk outside.

  • edited June 2014

    @supadom yes just @and-a-name. So @SpookyZoo will know I'm talking about him but @zymos will never know.

    I smell too.

  • Just avoided work for an hour and damn this is a nice bit of work. Really fun and really thoughtful.

    AB would be cool, natch, but I really want a song mode and MIDI sync. How fun would it be to run this along with NanoLoop and/or SeekBeats?

  • That's what you think syrupcore, I saw EVERY WORD!

  • @ArcaneScreams said:

    @supadom I tried to be as objective as I could be when looking at the overall picture. There is way too much flash, and not enough substance. That flash covers up it's shortcomings. And there are a lot of them. I'm not talking about IAA, or AB, or anything like that. I mean basic oscillator filtering, etc. For an app that will soon charge $10.00 a toss, this is just weak. Moving on.

    I read both your takes, and as a defender of the app, I do agree with both of you that this is a fair criticism. It seems like the tools are there for it to be a full-featured synthesizer but it wasn't readily apparent to me how to make it do anything other than basic wave pattern sounds. It may very well be that this capability is there and I'm not seeing it because I don't know where to look, but so it is.

    That's the reason that I feel like there should have been some presets for the synthesizer. If you think about it, it's really the only feature that doesn't have a preset or demonstration of some type. Heck, there's even presets for different ways to set the step timing. Synthesizer presets could demonstrate the range of the synthesizer engine in a way that shows nicely in videos, while also providing a variety of starting points for tweaking, and a means to "reverse engineering" different sounds.

    That being said, I guess I'm not all that angry about it, because the "lead" sounds in these groove box type apps are almost always the weak link. And if people actually intended to use Oscilab to create their entire track, then nobody would care much about AudioBus, IAA, etc.! I will probably use the app similar to iMaschine as a sketchpad and then exports the bits and pieces (basslines, drum beats, or even randomized arppegiated sequences from the synth) into other projects.

  • @StormJH1 said:

    I read both your takes, and as a defender of the app, I do agree with both of you that this is a fair criticism. ..... I will probably use the app similar to iMaschine as a sketchpad and then exports the bits and pieces (basslines, drum beats, or even randomized arppegiated sequences from the synth) into other projects.

    Thank you for that. I have thought about this, probably a little too much, over the past few days. I wrote somewhere earlier that I will not rip this app apart, or something to that effect. The dev was nice, just by acknowledging me, and sending me a response to a question I had about AB. Which is more than some devs have done. I do think this app lays an interesting framework. I'll stop there. I hope that good use comes from it, and it's enjoyed by those who choose to use it in their own way.

    I do find it curious that so many have become 'either/or' in the process of the release of this particular app. Not only that, but I see an openness beginning between many of us as well. Maybe that is the value on which this app will stand. A community has begun to enter into a dialogue with itself.

    Interesting, no?

  • @syrupcore I only got the notification of replies to the thread because I have it bookmarked. I do remember getting notifications in the past about being mentioned in a thread, but it's a long time since I got one of those.

  • I think it's because of what has happened recently with Electrify nxt and even more so Mosaik which to be fair it's not even fair to list any other app in the same sentence with mosaik but anyway... oscilab sits somewhere between apps like that and heavenly apps like Sector and Samplr and oscilab has so much seeming promise that it's created this momentum. I know for me personally I was thinking wow if oscilab is only half as good as Sector then I'll be damned if we don't have something special on our hands.

  • edited June 2014

    I know that this parallel has already been drawn elsewhere in this thread, but if you are looking for something very similar to this app that already has almost if not all of the features people are requesting, it already exists.

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/different-drummer/id525272276?mt=8

    I'm not trying to hurt the sales of this Oscilab. I bought it and like it - no regrets. I stand by that it was worth it's price in fun. But now that I've spent some time with it, the more this seems to me like DD with a built in [very lightweight] synth and a really snazzy UI, but missing all of the integration features.

  • @SuperNiCd I sort of go along with that as there are similarities but I do find Oscilab to be much more immediate than DD. Having said that DD has benefited from continued development and updates and now offers many more features since first release but I would definitely say that one does not replace the other - either way.

  • Yep, @Trueyorky, I do completely agree that there's an immediacy in Oscilab that isn't quite there in DD. That's part of what I'm referring to with the "snazzy UI" - it's not just eye candy. But with vMIDI and several ways to import samples into DD, there's a whole lot more flexibility as far as timbres go. I think you may be right in that they don't replace one another, as the things that have come out of Oscilab for me so far are completely different in character than what I've generated in DD. They do seem to have a very similar approach to generative sequencing, though. So I guess if you like one, get both. :-)

  • Spoken like a true appaholic ;-)

  • I would say there are some similarities, but the striking difference between Oscilab and DD is that DD uses waves to shape the rhythm, while Oscilab, and others, uses them mostly to shape the sound. In regards to the UI, I would give that to Oscilab, but only because trying to pull that off in DD is quite demanding, given all that it is doing. I do think DD needs to rethink the UI, but I would add that it's capabilities outstrip anything out there, albeit with a significant learning curve.

    Aside from that, I do like Oscilab. I think there are a lot of things that could be done to improve on it, and I hope the dev takes it as far as he can, but I don't regret my purchase. I'm currently unemployed, so I've become very selective with my purchases.

    Trying to put myself in a dev's shoes, I would think these dialogs are beneficial, since they give valuable feedback to them and serve as a gauge to what users feel about their creations. Yes, some feedback can be less valuable, since the opinion might be overly demanding, overly critical, etc., but it is still better than silence.

    In the meantime, I suggest we sing a collaborative We Are The World.

    ;-)

  • Fiddlesticks. Did I fall off the wagon again? :-)

    Yep, @funjunkie27, the learning curve in DD is pretty steep, and it's UI contributes to that perhaps more than it has to. It is such a powerful and creative app though. Well worth the investment, IMO.

  • Best DD tutorial?

  • It's very easy to find and replace the samples in Oscilab using iFunBox, for anyone interested. I have not experienced any crashes or other issues doing this. I'm on iPad 3, 7.0.4. The directory is 'User Applications-Oscilab-Oscilab.app-samples'. 15 drum kits and 36 sample folders, all wav. Rename your wav files to corresponding numbers. Make sure you back up those files first. Have fun!

  • Nice thought. Any obvious limitations as to length?

  • None that I have experienced yet. I'm only checking typical drum samples right now. Maybe I'll throw a drum loop wav in there, and see what happens.

  • I wish I had the time to push a vid. Just not able to now.

    I liked that @ArcaneScreams! Great groove! The backdrop and groove are very relaxing! If I get it right, the limitation would be 8 measures...right?

    DD tutorials aren't too common, but the user manual explains it pretty well. It's a good example of things that go deeper the further you dive. Could the UI be improved?? Probably, but there's so much going on with it that I can't come up with a better alternative.

  • @funjunkie27 said:

    I wish I had the time to push a vid. Just not able to now.

    I liked that @ArcaneScreams! Great groove! The backdrop and groove are very relaxing! If I get it right, the limitation would be 8 measures...right?

    Thanks for having a listen. Appreciate it. I do believe you're right about the measures. And I think you should do a DD vid, when you have time. I've been following your comments about that app. In fact, I just bought it recently after reading what you had to say. Vid-E-O ! Vid-E-O !

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