ATOM Piano Roll update is coming soon

RetroNewb

@blueveek Really looking forward to this , although a small point I notice on screenshots is
that Beats seem to count from 0 .
As an Ableton & hardware user , isn’t it more usual for beats of bars to start on 1 similar to how musicians count ? Any chance there could be an option to change this ...1,2,3,4 ?

ExAsperis99

It's not counting beats; it's counting bars.

lukesleepwalker

@tk32 said:
Anacrusis and Loop Legato example (for @sloJordan )

In this example the melody starts on the final beat of the 4-bar phrase. I have my pattern set to gate mode (so that it keeps in sync with the host at all times) and the trigger beat set to 1 (so that I can trigger it just before the final beat of the phase). Loop legato is also enabled so the final note sustains through the first half of the first downbeat of the pattern.

The effect of this is that I can start my pattern with a pick-up (anacrusis) that leads into the downbeat

Here’s a short demo of it in action:
I’m re-uploading the video with better quality audio...

That is so cool and am grateful that you've suggested something so musical. MIDI drives me crazy sometimes in the way it doesn't allow for exactly the kinds of choices that musicians make all the time--like starting a melody on the "and" before the 1 of the new bar. Brilliant.

yowza

@ExAsperis99 said:
It's not counting beats; it's counting bars.

That's not right at all. The downbeat of the first measure should be 1. Maybe this is pre roll I hope, which would be ok otherwise having the downbeat of the first bar actually start in the second bar will be confusing as hell.

ExAsperis99

I think that is right. In the image above, each measure is divided by quarter notes: 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 1 bar; 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 2 bars....

yowza

@ExAsperis99 said:
I think that is right. In the image above, each measure is divided by quarter notes: 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 1 bar; 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 2 bars....

You normally don't count the bar at the end of the bar but at the beginning of the bar. I can't think of any other piano roll or DAW that counts bars this way. Normally the first bar in 4/4 would be 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 etc. Hopefully this will be a user setting as I would have to reprogram my brain.

@blueveek What's going on here?

wim

The current version of Atom starts counting bars from 1, not zero.

ExAsperis99

@wim You’re correct. I realize i don’t even look at the numbers.

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blueveek

@Owgill said:
@blueveek, how possible would it be to look forward to a per note probability to trigger?

That would make probability sequencing of chains of atoms a reality.

Thanks and just wondering, and sorry for comment editing.

Very doable with the current engine architecture, it fits well with the non-destructive per-note quantize, swing and repitch that’s already in. I’ll add it to the backlog for 2.x

blueveek

@yowza said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
I think that is right. In the image above, each measure is divided by quarter notes: 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 1 bar; 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 2 bars....

@blueveek What's going on here?

Experimenting! Release version will start from beat 1 measure 1 for regular playback (non pre-roll).

fattigman

Sorry I’m late to the party so maybe this has been discussed, but will it be possible to compose whole songs with atom? Will it have some kind of structure for songs and not just loosely coupled patterns?

blueveek

@david_2017 said:

@blueveek said:

@david_2017 said:

Does this mean you can drone a note even though it is a midi loop?

It wasn't specifically built for that, since the tempo slider goes to 0.01x or even 0, so you can drone to your heart's content. But I like the idea of a dedicated Loop latch mode to go along Loop legato, where note offs that go beyond the loop endpoint are ignored.

Interesting so we inspire eachother 👊🏼🙃

Cheers! Loop legato and Loop latch will ship in 2.0

dreamsaremaps

Good lord, @blueveek!

david_2017

@blueveek said:

@david_2017 said:

@blueveek said:

@david_2017 said:

Does this mean you can drone a note even though it is a midi loop?

It wasn't specifically built for that, since the tempo slider goes to 0.01x or even 0, so you can drone to your heart's content. But I like the idea of a dedicated Loop latch mode to go along Loop legato, where note offs that go beyond the loop endpoint are ignored.

Interesting so we inspire eachother 👊🏼🙃

Cheers! Loop legato and Loop latch will ship in 2.0

Wow!!!

🙌🏼 🙌🏼 🙌🏼

mlau

@blueveek superb !

tk32

I just want to re-iterate this point in case anyone missed it when Blueveek first mentioned it...

When you record a midi pattern in Atom, Note quantise is always applied non-destructively. This means that after you finish recording, you have the choice to either (a) change the quantise settings applied to your notes, (b) once you're happy with your quanitise settings you can bake these into your pattern, or (c) remove quantisations for some -or all- notes so you get back to the original midi timings exactly how you recorded it.

There are so many occasions in other DAWs where I've had quantise switched on by mistake, and not been able to retrieve my original timings. Not in Atom!

Note - Midi notes that have any kind of non-destructive process applied - whether it's quantise, swing, or repitch/scale-shift, will show a small dot to indicate the note has one or more adjustments applied.

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ExAsperis99

As long as I’m able to delete the first two bars of a clip and move the rest of the midi notes to the start, I’m good. This has been my biggest frustration with Atom.

I’d also prefer Atom 2 come out NOW.

Lil_Stu07

Now that we have drum computer, this is literally the last thing I need on iOS.

auxmux

@Lil_Stu07 said:
Now that we have drum computer, this is literally the last thing I need on iOS.

Nope, it never ends. Now, we have that Hainbach and Bram Bos app coming.

Lil_Stu07

@auxmux said:

@Lil_Stu07 said:
Now that we have drum computer, this is literally the last thing I need on iOS.

Nope, it never ends. Now, we have that Hainbach and Bram Bos app coming.

Maybe for some, but I don't use half the apps that are recommended here. Gotta put a stop somewhere so I can just focus more on creation. Got all my equipment and found the synths and samples I like to use so it's just ironing out a solid workflow that keeps me inspired and that resides inside AUM.

blueveek

I’m working on adding just one final new feature (last one I promise) for 2.0, that is probably going to only ever be used by a small minority of users at first, but I think is crucial to get out on day 1, and in the long term become the selling point for Atom.

Now, I’m not one to post a tease without a screenshot, big fat red arrows and a description of exactly how it works, but I think I’ll break the pattern just this one time

I can’t believe this thread is now at over 40K views. Never would have thought we’d be here when I made my first plugin to work around some BM3 annoyances. I take all of your excitement very seriously, and I’m grateful for your interest.

Right, ok, back to work!

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@blueveek said:
I’m working on adding just one final new feature (last one I promise) for 2.0, that is probably going to only ever be used by a small minority of users at first, but I think is crucial to get out on day 1, and in the long term become the selling point for Atom.

Now, I’m not one to post a tease without a screenshot, big fat red arrows and a description of exactly how it works, but I think I’ll break the pattern just this one time

I can’t believe this thread is now at over 40K views. Never would have thought we’d be here when I made my first plugin to work around some BM3 annoyances. I take all of your excitement very seriously, and I’m grateful for your interest.

Right, ok, back to work!

Following this with enthusiasm. Looking forward to release. 🤘

RajahP

@blueveek said:
I’m working on adding just one final new feature (last one I promise) for 2.0, that is probably going to only ever be used by a small minority of users at first, but I think is crucial to get out on day 1, and in the long term become the selling point for Atom.

Now, I’m not one to post a tease without a screenshot, big fat red arrows and a description of exactly how it works, but I think I’ll break the pattern just this one time

I can’t believe this thread is now at over 40K views. Never would have thought we’d be here when I made my first plugin to work around some BM3 annoyances. I take all of your excitement very seriously, and I’m grateful for your interest.

Right, ok, back to work!

ATOM 2 will change the way music is made, PUNTO!

Thanks for creating it...

fattigman

@blueveek I read somewhere that Atom2 can sequence sequencer which I guess could be used as a "poor man's" song mode. But is song mode in the roadmap? I really never do anything that won't end up as a song. So for me any sequencer without song mode is not very useful.

GLacey

@blueveek said:
I can’t believe this thread is now at over 40K views.

I wish you the same number of app downloads

Poppadocrock

Do your thing @blueveek

Edward_Alexander

@blueveek Looking good! I think it’s safe to say we are ALL looking forward to the update. > @Lil_Stu07 said:

Now that we have drum computer, this is literally the last thing I need on iOS.

@Lil_Stu07 said:

@auxmux said:

@Lil_Stu07 said:
Now that we have drum computer, this is literally the last thing I need on iOS.

Nope, it never ends. Now, we have that Hainbach and Bram Bos app coming.

Maybe for some, but I don't use half the apps that are recommended here. Gotta put a stop somewhere so I can just focus more on creation. Got all my equipment and found the synths and samples I like to use so it's just ironing out a solid workflow that keeps me inspired and that resides inside AUM.

I’ve been thinking the same thing.

I think back to the old days when I was playing in a couple “garage bands” where our drummer had ONE drum set. And on that set, he could play a myriad of different styles. Same with the bass and guitar players. I would usually bring ONE guitar, and while we were mostly playing rock and metal (think mid 80’s) back then, we still were limited to our single instruments to play different things. Same if we were jamming with a keyboard player (which was rare in my old circle of musician friends) as he would have just the ONE or maybe two keyboard instruments with a set of sounds you could count on two hands.

Point is, we’ve been spoiled by too many choices. It’s so easy nowadays to pick up a new new synth app or drum machine app for just a few bucks and claim that you “needed it” to finally make the music you’ve been dreaming of.

I totally agree with you in that you’ve got to put a stop somewhere and focus on the tools you already have. We always hear that limitations foster creativity, and I’ve always believed that to be true.

With that said, I am very much looking forward to this Atom 2 update, (along with the Drambo update where it will support AU hosting) and that’s about it.

Of course every now and then though a new app will pop up that sounds so amazing and authentic, that you think “wow, I’ve got to have that sound” like the amazing new House Mark I Electromechanical piano from AudioKit, or the new GeoSWAM instruments... it’s really a great time to be a musician, and with all the tools and choices we have now, there’s really no excuse for lack of creativity.

Edward_Alexander

@ExAsperis99 said:
As long as I’m able to delete the first two bars of a clip and move the rest of the midi notes to the start, I’m good. This has been my biggest frustration with Atom.

That’s pretty straightforward in the current version of Atom. Unless I’m misunderstanding?