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gusgranite

Well this has all gone rather daft...

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yowza

@rms13 said:

I haven’t seen any consensus one way or the other. It will probably take a decade before we have real answers if we ever do

There is consensus that it wasn’t created in a lab if you want to look for it but you obviously don’t.

colonel_mustard

@rms13 said:

@Krupa said:
Yeah, climate change is everybody’s problem and needs to be addressed everywhere, with a special focus on helping those who can’t help themselves. Simply pointing fingers at others seems to be a way of avoiding responsibilities imo

We also have to be aware that the climate is and has always been changing. It was was changing long before we got here (ask the dinosaurs if you believe they existed). It will be changing long after we’re gone. At a certain point it’s very egotistical to believe that humans have any control over the climate on earth

I understand this point of view, but everything's been thoroughly researched. We need to transition to clean energy, and soon.

Fortunately, it's cheaper.

knewspeak

@Max23 said:

@rms13 said:

@Gavinski said:

@kurth said:

@knewspeak said:
@kurth any nation who use a virus as a weapon is totally nuts, why, because they change, mutate, this would make them very unpredictable in use, even if the offending party had a vaccine.

really ? looks like to alot of people china just richochet it perfectly to europe and america. They're maskless and partying in wuhan today. Do people think it's commencement less than 10 miles from china's sole bsl4 lab was just a wild coincidence. Maybe we planted it there to appear as the obvious source. Americans were working with this same virus at fort derrick in 2013 doing gain of function research. Documented. What you're seeing is war by any other name. It will finally erupt into actual physical war, when china decides to take back taiwan. It's only a question of when. You can think about corona , as another form of economic suppression of your enemy, like tariffs and levies.

I agree with quite a few things you've said, but I think the consensus is that covid was not a man made virus. Please share sources that prove it was.

I haven’t seen any consensus one way or the other. It will probably take a decade before we have real answers if we ever do

it’s an animal disease that just jumped the border to human disease. If you heard something different You are not listening to the right people.

Exactly, same as quite a few diseases and viruses.

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Gavinski

Indeed, no need for a conspiracy theory about this aspect.

Sequencer1

@Max23 said:

@knewspeak said:

@Max23 said:

@rms13 said:

@Gavinski said:

@kurth said:

@knewspeak said:
@kurth any nation who use a virus as a weapon is totally nuts, why, because they change, mutate, this would make them very unpredictable in use, even if the offending party had a vaccine.

really ? looks like to alot of people china just richochet it perfectly to europe and america. They're maskless and partying in wuhan today. Do people think it's commencement less than 10 miles from china's sole bsl4 lab was just a wild coincidence. Maybe we planted it there to appear as the obvious source. Americans were working with this same virus at fort derrick in 2013 doing gain of function research. Documented. What you're seeing is war by any other name. It will finally erupt into actual physical war, when china decides to take back taiwan. It's only a question of when. You can think about corona , as another form of economic suppression of your enemy, like tariffs and levies.

I agree with quite a few things you've said, but I think the consensus is that covid was not a man made virus. Please share sources that prove it was.

I haven’t seen any consensus one way or the other. It will probably take a decade before we have real answers if we ever do

it’s an animal disease that just jumped the border to human disease. If you heard something different You are not listening to the right people.

Exactly, same as quite a few diseases and viruses.

Exactly like HIV, Ebola, SARS ...
nothing unusual
Something like this was expected to happen

Not surprised to see so many virologists on the AB forum. Impressive.
So it just jumped from animals to humans, okay, tell that to all of the Japanese farmers over the past 20 years who have lost their entire crop/livestock due to Chinese 'interference'.

knewspeak

@colonel_mustard said:

@rms13 said:

@Krupa said:
Yeah, climate change is everybody’s problem and needs to be addressed everywhere, with a special focus on helping those who can’t help themselves. Simply pointing fingers at others seems to be a way of avoiding responsibilities imo

We also have to be aware that the climate is and has always been changing. It was was changing long before we got here (ask the dinosaurs if you believe they existed). It will be changing long after we’re gone. At a certain point it’s very egotistical to believe that humans have any control over the climate on earth

I understand this point of view, but everything's been thoroughly researched. We need to transition to clean energy, and soon.

Fortunately, it's cheaper.

We have always used the natural energy from our star we just have to cut out the hydrocarbon part. Desalinate water from the ocean using this energy, create food agricultural factories etc., let nature regain its beauty in greater part on earth.

LinearLineman

Yes, @kurth, I did try to defend you. But no more. Your suppositions about the people here do not hold water. That you want to mix your personal judgements in with your historicopolitical beliefs devalues your arguments.

You went to Mexico but you took your grievances with you. For many people their opinions are like currency. It is their wealth. Their money in the bank.

espiegel123

@rms13 said:

@Gavinski said:

@kurth said:

@knewspeak said:
@kurth any nation who use a virus as a weapon is totally nuts, why, because they change, mutate, this would make them very unpredictable in use, even if the offending party had a vaccine.

really ? looks like to alot of people china just richochet it perfectly to europe and america. They're maskless and partying in wuhan today. Do people think it's commencement less than 10 miles from china's sole bsl4 lab was just a wild coincidence. Maybe we planted it there to appear as the obvious source. Americans were working with this same virus at fort derrick in 2013 doing gain of function research. Documented. What you're seeing is war by any other name. It will finally erupt into actual physical war, when china decides to take back taiwan. It's only a question of when. You can think about corona , as another form of economic suppression of your enemy, like tariffs and levies.

I agree with quite a few things you've said, but I think the consensus is that covid was not a man made virus. Please share sources that prove it was.

I haven’t seen any consensus one way or the other. It will probably take a decade before we have real answers if we ever do

I guess you don’t read much about what virologists and epidemiologists have been saying. There is overwhelming consensus that it was not man made. There are very very few that say otherwise. As with climate change, the very few scientists that take the contrarian point of view have their voices amplified in such a way as to give the impression that there is some widespread debate.

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kurth

@espiegel123 said:

@rms13 said:

@Gavinski said:

@kurth said:

@knewspeak said:
@kurth any nation who use a virus as a weapon is totally nuts, why, because they change, mutate, this would make them very unpredictable in use, even if the offending party had a vaccine.

really ? looks like to alot of people china just richochet it perfectly to europe and america. They're maskless and partying in wuhan today. Do people think it's commencement less than 10 miles from china's sole bsl4 lab was just a wild coincidence. Maybe we planted it there to appear as the obvious source. Americans were working with this same virus at fort derrick in 2013 doing gain of function research. Documented. What you're seeing is war by any other name. It will finally erupt into actual physical war, when china decides to take back taiwan. It's only a question of when. You can think about corona , as another form of economic suppression of your enemy, like tariffs and levies.

I agree with quite a few things you've said, but I think the consensus is that covid was not a man made virus. Please share sources that prove it was.

I haven’t seen any consensus one way or the other. It will probably take a decade before we have real answers if we ever do

I guess you don’t read much about what virologists and epidemiologists have been saying. There is overwhelming consensus that it was not man made. There are very very few that say otherwise. As with climate change, the very few scientists that take the contrarian point of view have their voices amplified in such a way as to give the impression that there is some widespread debate.

haha...those scientist/virologist providing you with the conclusive proof it isn't manmade are all compromised. You peope just watch msnbc , cnn, and the alphabetsoups. Do you believe a doctor when he receives money from the pharmaceutical company selling the drugs he's prescribing ? How naive. They all work in the biological weapons sphere. Do you think cia is going to tell you the truth, or mossad ? Read what they say about themselves. They're prime duty is propaganda. And in 2013 under obama, they made it totally legal to propagandize the american people. Well....right fuxin here we see the result of that law. There's some brave virologist who theorize it's man made. There's a chinese virologist whistleblower who worked on it inside china and her colleagues, who's provide evidence of such. It's all easily available to research online with even disinfo google. But use common sense. The plague started right next door to the lab. That in itself is a one in two million possibility. The chinese one and all, believe that the americans planted it. That's their official line. Their war drums are being banged on. ARe ya'll ready ? Appears not !

Fingolfinzzz

So anyway, I have a solo P Funk dance party going on in my apartment in celebration today

knewspeak

@Max23 said:

@Sequencer1 said:

@Max23 said:

@knewspeak said:

@Max23 said:

@rms13 said:

@Gavinski said:

@kurth said:

@knewspeak said:
@kurth any nation who use a virus as a weapon is totally nuts, why, because they change, mutate, this would make them very unpredictable in use, even if the offending party had a vaccine.

really ? looks like to alot of people china just richochet it perfectly to europe and america. They're maskless and partying in wuhan today. Do people think it's commencement less than 10 miles from china's sole bsl4 lab was just a wild coincidence. Maybe we planted it there to appear as the obvious source. Americans were working with this same virus at fort derrick in 2013 doing gain of function research. Documented. What you're seeing is war by any other name. It will finally erupt into actual physical war, when china decides to take back taiwan. It's only a question of when. You can think about corona , as another form of economic suppression of your enemy, like tariffs and levies.

I agree with quite a few things you've said, but I think the consensus is that covid was not a man made virus. Please share sources that prove it was.

I haven’t seen any consensus one way or the other. It will probably take a decade before we have real answers if we ever do

it’s an animal disease that just jumped the border to human disease. If you heard something different You are not listening to the right people.

Exactly, same as quite a few diseases and viruses.

Exactly like HIV, Ebola, SARS ...
nothing unusual
Something like this was expected to happen

Not surprised to see so many virologists on the AB forum. Impressive.
So it just jumped from animals to humans, okay, tell that to all of the Japanese farmers over the past 20 years who have lost their entire crop/livestock due to Chinese 'interference'.

China certainly isn’t a nice neighbor.
But this corona virus so called patient zero (the first human to get it) could have happened in Africa or somewhere else in the world. HIV and Ebola came come Africa, bird flu came from somewhere out of Asia. Corona came from China. Your point is?

True, China has such a large population by pure chance it would be a place where a virus would emerge, nothing nefarious just probability.

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@yowza said:

@rms13 said:

I haven’t seen any consensus one way or the other. It will probably take a decade before we have real answers if we ever do

There is consensus that it wasn’t created in a lab if you want to look for it but you obviously don’t.

I’ve heard a lot of theories on the origin of the virus and many are convincing but they are all theory not fact. At this point it doesn’t matter where it came from just like it doesn’t matter who is president.

knewspeak

@kurth said:

@espiegel123 said:

@rms13 said:

@Gavinski said:

@kurth said:

@knewspeak said:
@kurth any nation who use a virus as a weapon is totally nuts, why, because they change, mutate, this would make them very unpredictable in use, even if the offending party had a vaccine.

really ? looks like to alot of people china just richochet it perfectly to europe and america. They're maskless and partying in wuhan today. Do people think it's commencement less than 10 miles from china's sole bsl4 lab was just a wild coincidence. Maybe we planted it there to appear as the obvious source. Americans were working with this same virus at fort derrick in 2013 doing gain of function research. Documented. What you're seeing is war by any other name. It will finally erupt into actual physical war, when china decides to take back taiwan. It's only a question of when. You can think about corona , as another form of economic suppression of your enemy, like tariffs and levies.

I agree with quite a few things you've said, but I think the consensus is that covid was not a man made virus. Please share sources that prove it was.

I haven’t seen any consensus one way or the other. It will probably take a decade before we have real answers if we ever do

I guess you don’t read much about what virologists and epidemiologists have been saying. There is overwhelming consensus that it was not man made. There are very very few that say otherwise. As with climate change, the very few scientists that take the contrarian point of view have their voices amplified in such a way as to give the impression that there is some widespread debate.

haha...those scientist/virologist providing you with the conclusive proof it isn't manmade are all compromised. You peope just watch msnbc , cnn, and the alphabetsoups. Do you believe a doctor when he receives money from the pharmaceutical company selling the drugs he's prescribing ? How naive. They all work in the biological weapons sphere. Do you think cia is going to tell you the truth, or mossad ? Read what they say about themselves. They're prime duty is propaganda. And in 2013 under obama, they made it totally legal to propagandize the american people. Well....right fuxin here we see the result of that law. There's some brave virologist who theorize it's man made. There's a chinese virologist whistleblower who worked on it inside china and her colleagues, who's provide evidence of such. It's all easily available to research online with even disinfo google. But use common sense. The plague started right next door to the lab. That in itself is a one in two million possibility. The chinese one and all, believe that the americans planted it. That's their official line. Their war drums are being banged on. ARe ya'll ready ? Appears not !

So the fiendish Chinese didn’t have the sense to smuggle the virus to the enemy to release it, thus creating another narrative, they just decided let’s release it straight from the labs neighbourhood district.

kurth

@LinearLineman said:
Yes, @kurth, I did try to defend you. But no more. Your suppositions about the people here do not hold water. That you want to mix your personal judgements in with your historicopolitical beliefs devalues your arguments.

You went to Mexico but you took your grievances with you. For many people their opinions are like currency. It is their wealth. Their money in the bank.

well more than that...they're wealth will ultimately be totally controlled by which opinions they seek to espouse. And when it's not doctrine, there goes their benjis brother. That's right here right now. They will easily convince all the politcal correctionist to welcome digital currency with open arms. They're already doing it with the corona money. But that's life in oceania. You and everyone on the planet is on a learning curve. Try a bit harder.

kurth

@knewspeak said:

@kurth said:

@espiegel123 said:

@rms13 said:

@Gavinski said:

@kurth said:

@knewspeak said:
@kurth any nation who use a virus as a weapon is totally nuts, why, because they change, mutate, this would make them very unpredictable in use, even if the offending party had a vaccine.

really ? looks like to alot of people china just richochet it perfectly to europe and america. They're maskless and partying in wuhan today. Do people think it's commencement less than 10 miles from china's sole bsl4 lab was just a wild coincidence. Maybe we planted it there to appear as the obvious source. Americans were working with this same virus at fort derrick in 2013 doing gain of function research. Documented. What you're seeing is war by any other name. It will finally erupt into actual physical war, when china decides to take back taiwan. It's only a question of when. You can think about corona , as another form of economic suppression of your enemy, like tariffs and levies.

I agree with quite a few things you've said, but I think the consensus is that covid was not a man made virus. Please share sources that prove it was.

I haven’t seen any consensus one way or the other. It will probably take a decade before we have real answers if we ever do

I guess you don’t read much about what virologists and epidemiologists have been saying. There is overwhelming consensus that it was not man made. There are very very few that say otherwise. As with climate change, the very few scientists that take the contrarian point of view have their voices amplified in such a way as to give the impression that there is some widespread debate.

haha...those scientist/virologist providing you with the conclusive proof it isn't manmade are all compromised. You peope just watch msnbc , cnn, and the alphabetsoups. Do you believe a doctor when he receives money from the pharmaceutical company selling the drugs he's prescribing ? How naive. They all work in the biological weapons sphere. Do you think cia is going to tell you the truth, or mossad ? Read what they say about themselves. They're prime duty is propaganda. And in 2013 under obama, they made it totally legal to propagandize the american people. Well....right fuxin here we see the result of that law. There's some brave virologist who theorize it's man made. There's a chinese virologist whistleblower who worked on it inside china and her colleagues, who's provide evidence of such. It's all easily available to research online with even disinfo google. But use common sense. The plague started right next door to the lab. That in itself is a one in two million possibility. The chinese one and all, believe that the americans planted it. That's their official line. Their war drums are being banged on. ARe ya'll ready ? Appears not !

So the fiendish Chinese didn’t have the sense to smuggle the virus to the enemy to release it, thus creating another narrative, they just decided let’s release it straight from the labs neighbourhood district.

I didn't say that. What is said in plain english was I think the americans released it in wuhan in oct 2019 in the wuhan military games. They chose there because the whole world would automatically blame china. It was another american false flag attack. America loves false flag attacks They mentor with israel. We've used them at least since the Maine in Havana harbor. But china was, with great discipline, able to ricochet it back. That's what ricochet means. When it started, trump said something like ...'wait...this'll be something very good for america'. Google fort detrick biohazard coronavirus .... and Bird flu and swine flu ...where'd they come from ? Another reason all those compromised virologist are trying to protect their arses. Going to prison is still way worse than just loosing your job and being blacklisted forever.

cian

@Gavinski said:
Indeed. I'm still glad it happened but there is a lot of work to be done to heal the divides at the heart of American life and politics.

I don't get this weird liberal obsession with healing the 'divide'. There is a fundamental disagreement here on core issues and that isn't going to change. There is no consensus to be had with these people, and honestly that's how politics works or has ever worked.

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robosardine

It’s not too late to cast your vote! 😛

kurth

btw I've read some rumors in real political forums that dhs has coded the ballots. There was a fake rumor a few weeks ago there was a barcode. But that's not the rumor. The rumor is they're coded with the same type of almost ( you can see them with a magnifying glass ) invisible codes that inkjet printers use, which is how they trace and identify someone whos' printed something nasty. And within these circles ...trump circles , dhs circles, they have a number of locales where mysterious gains were made by biden in the middle of the night, when all the counters were sleeping. These areas will be targeted by dhs to see if the ballots are authentic. Sorry to be the wakeup call again, but.....you prematurely celebraters do know the democrats are more corrupt than al capone, right. Now I have zero proof of there being any shenanigans, but america has been a political corrupt cesspit since tammany hall, and every election she ever had was manipulated to one degree or another. so hang on...if true, it's going to be a ride.

CracklePot

I always doubt when Trump has secret evidence, though.
That fool can’t keep a secret.

Gavinski

@cian said:

@Gavinski said:
Indeed. I'm still glad it happened but there is a lot of work to be done to heal the divides at the heart of American life and politics.

I don't get this weird liberal obsession with healing the 'divide'. There is a fundamental disagreement here on core issues and that isn't going to change. There is no consensus to be had with these people, and honestly that's how politics works or has ever worked.

Coming from Northern Ireland I can't agree with this sentiment. I've seen in my own lifetime how things can heal and change. Things aren't perfect there but they're a hell of a lot better than they were. That said, terrorism played as much of a part in that as politics did.

Liquidmantis

Man, that brown acid was no joke.

I finally voted for the first time, at 45 years of age. I've never lived anywhere that it made much of a difference, being in a blue oasis in a firmly red state (Austin), and now being in a blue state (Colorado), but if any time is the time for all voices to be heard it was now.

Sequencer1

@Max23 said:

@Max23 said:

@knewspeak said:

@Max23 said:

@Sequencer1 said:

@Max23 said:

@knewspeak said:

@Max23 said:

@rms13 said:

@Gavinski said:

@kurth said:

@knewspeak said:
@kurth any nation who use a virus as a weapon is totally nuts, why, because they change, mutate, this would make them very unpredictable in use, even if the offending party had a vaccine.

really ? looks like to alot of people china just richochet it perfectly to europe and america. They're maskless and partying in wuhan today. Do people think it's commencement less than 10 miles from china's sole bsl4 lab was just a wild coincidence. Maybe we planted it there to appear as the obvious source. Americans were working with this same virus at fort derrick in 2013 doing gain of function research. Documented. What you're seeing is war by any other name. It will finally erupt into actual physical war, when china decides to take back taiwan. It's only a question of when. You can think about corona , as another form of economic suppression of your enemy, like tariffs and levies.

I agree with quite a few things you've said, but I think the consensus is that covid was not a man made virus. Please share sources that prove it was.

I haven’t seen any consensus one way or the other. It will probably take a decade before we have real answers if we ever do

it’s an animal disease that just jumped the border to human disease. If you heard something different You are not listening to the right people.

Exactly, same as quite a few diseases and viruses.

Exactly like HIV, Ebola, SARS ...
nothing unusual
Something like this was expected to happen

Not surprised to see so many virologists on the AB forum. Impressive.
So it just jumped from animals to humans, okay, tell that to all of the Japanese farmers over the past 20 years who have lost their entire crop/livestock due to Chinese 'interference'.

China certainly isn’t a nice neighbor.
But this corona virus so called patient zero (the first human to get it) could have happened in Africa or somewhere else in the world. HIV and Ebola came come Africa, bird flu came from somewhere out of Asia. Corona came from China. Your point is?

True, China has such a large population by pure chance it would be a place where a virus would emerge, nothing nefarious just probability.

WHO watched Africa and Asia, because the all the really bad illnesses came from there.

Asians have a taste for all kind of animals they eat them and they live with them together
I went with an Asian friend to the zoo, no matter where we were, he kept saying oh yeah that tastes good. ^^

Yeah, all Asians eat all the animals that they live with, including the ones they lock up in zoos. Just like all Germans are all elitist know-it-alls. And warmongers. And nurses always use terms like "all the really bad illnesses came from there."

Right?

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