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OT: I live in the US and I voted today!
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@kurth you've presented nothing but invalidated articles and hypercritical opinions of anyone that opposes you. You have ostracized yourself from basically everyone here. I have to question why you keep commenting here, why not go somewhere where people are more susceptible to the outlandish claims you present. I don't think many here give two fucks about your absurd opinions.
I call nonsense on this, as I did to Chinese friends who said it when things developed and that idea first appeared. If America was responsible for this why did they let it come back to spread in their own country? Or to their allies? The idea that America was responsible started to spread when people in China were angry at the government for mismanaging the local handling of the virus. And it was basically due to a mistranslation of a news post talking about the first local infections in the US. People got the idea that there was an independent origination of the virus in the US that wasn't connected to the Chinese strain. The government here took advantage of that misunderstanding.
Once the government here got it under control, that idea quickly became forgotten, haven't heard anyone say that since spring. China has done well from the virus. People here are very happy with their government at the moment and look with pity on counties like the UK and US which have managed it so poorly.
@kurth, I think you misinterpreted my remark.
I was going to ask you few times before if you were from NI as I hear it in your accent in your videos but didn't want to ask a non video related question in YouTube comments
Congratulations america on voting right, was worried for you guys
There’s a possible vacancy for presidential candidate for the Republicans @kurth 2024, if he starts running now, who knows.
I would never mind that kind of question 😂
Actually here in the states it DOES matter who is President.
Looking at the massive crowds who have taken to the streets to celebrate Trump’s defeat, one commentator said he had covered dozens of presidential elections and has never seen celebrations anywhere close to these.
“These celebrations,” he said, “are like those one would see in a third-world country who had just overthrown a dictator.”
The perfect analogy...
Actually we don't really know what happened because everybody's relying on a really unreliable poll. We also don't really have a very good sense of what demographics look like for previous election.
A lot of Cubans in Florida are quite wealthy so why wouldn't they vote for Trump? What do they care about illegal immigrants?
It amuses me that Democrats think that somehow they own the black vote, or that black people are some kind of monolith. Black people tend to be more socially conservative than white people, many of them are extremely anti-handouts/believe in self-help hucksterism. They can be very hostile to other minorities, particularly immigrants. Many black people go to prosperity gospel churches, which are extremely right wing and conservative (and whose pastors tend to be pro-trump). Middle class black people tend to despise ghetto blacks (at least the ones I know). A lot of older black people want more policing, a lot of younger black people despise the Democratic party. Some black people own businesses and so are quite open to the idea of fewer taxes and less regulation. The idea that black politics is entirely defined by civil rights/racism just isn't true and is becoming less and less true as the older generation dies off.
A Republican party that toned down the racism could pick up a sizable minority of the black vote, particularly in the south.
When canvassing early in the year I heard a couple of people say they might vote for Kanye. I've also seen black people with MAGA hats.
I mean many Latinos are white. Their ancestors moved to Latin America from Europe. Why shouldn't they identify as that if they want to? I had distant relatives who emigrated to Argentina from Ireland in the C19th. I haven't met them, but I'm guess they're going to be pretty 'white'. Is a guy whose family were European settlers who owned a large plantation in Mexico that then became American after the Mexican American war non-white, despite being enormously wealthy (and mercilessly exploiting non-white mexicans)? It's just such a weird way to think about things.
And there is no latin-american community. They don't even all speak the same language. Argentinians don't have anything in common with Bolivian peasants, or Mexican Americans. Haitians have very little in common with Puerto Ricans (who are mostly the descendants of white Europeans). The Cuban descendents of slave owners probably look at the world differently to those Cubans descended from slaves.
Finally a lot of border 'latinos' have got jobs with Border security and related jobs, and so probably did pretty well out of Trump.
gah
If you went to the polar bear exhibit then I think he was just trolling you...
Wait, you guys think @kurth comes off like a Republican?
WTF?
A reminder that if you go to someone's profile you can choose to ignore them. Might be the best approach with Kurth if you're tired of hearing about the American-Israeli false flag Covid spores that were released during during the Olympics to hurt baby millennial, basement dwelling, mediocre musicians who don't have the good sense to spoil their ballot in order to bring world peace.
yes yes...perfect solution. Go to your little safe space , and binge on cnn. And don't forget to take the little teddy bear with you.
Yeah but the disagreements are still there, it's just that people are fighting in the political sphere, rather than in the streets with Semtex/Ak-47s. Despite all the rhetoric, the divisions in the US are really just people arguing on Facebook and at thanksgiving. In historical terms it's very mild.
The political institutions are screwed up - but that's mostly because the Democrats won't fight back, have no interest in fighting back.
Definitely Kurth does not come across as a Republican to me, his views are more nuanced than that and I agree with some of them. But I also agree with a lot of the very informed views that @cian just mentioned. As I say, always open to being influenced by informed views.
@CapnWillie said:
Fair enough.
Yes, I feel that I've hugely oversimplified it while still writing way too much
Yeah that sounds about right. I think it will remain that way so long as the Republicans remain a party that relies upon the racist vote. At some point that will probably change just because the racists are dying off, and the youth are a lot less racist (though also a lot less Republican).
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I mean not really. He did win the 2016 election, and nearly half of voters voted for him. And in 4 years another Republican like Trump could just as easily be elected. He wasn't an illegitimate leader, however awful he might have been.
Yeah that seems plausible.
Well, if you followed Donnie at all for the past four years the only conclusion you could possibly come to is that he definitely is a dictator wannabe, and short of Donnie Jr, there is no one in the political spectrum that even remotely comes close. Another ‘pub may win in four years, but he (or she) certainly wouldn’t come close to being the dictatorial threat to democracy the Donnie was.
That threat is why millions are in the streets celebrating the ouster of a dictator tonight.
you call nonsense and then your first offered proof is pure speculation that begins with 'if', which is not argument whatsoever. It's just an uinformed opinion. I hope you presented your argument with more proof to your chinese friends, who are most likely far more informed of what happened in china than you ! You call nonsense, but chinese generals have been for years calling for war. j
That wasn't a statement of empirical proof, it was a statement of logic.
I don't know suppy but it looks like they're mostly talking to me, or about me, referring to me. I do believe they do give a fuck because I'm the one calling bs to their game. I'm a hurdle they have to jump , when I counter their equally outlandish and indoctrinated claims they, and you make. You're living in a bubble. You're indoctrinated to accept what you're told is correct. Maybe.....something in your water? Fluoride perhaps. It's known to make humans dumber. Not in your case of course. But have you had it checked ?
This is fun...
Where’s the proof for anything you have posted? You’re quick to belittle and scoff, but I don’t see where you have backed up any of your rants with evidence from credible sources. We should just take you at your word for the way the world really works?
you said peoples currency is their opinion. What ever your remark was...don't speculate on me. You don't know me, nor any grievances. The deal here.... in this thread it's occupied by people who only repeat the same story. They have no idea how to accept another version of reality. Do you really think the world is as simplistic as you all portray? That's why I say it looks like a cult. So, I haven't speculated on your motivations. Don't be so naive you think you know anything about the psychology of someone on the internet. That's entirely foolhardy.
Is that like “alternative facts”?
I usually offer information that anyone who has google can verify for themselves. I've posted plenty of links prior, but you give them a book and they eat the covers. You do have internet google on that contraption, right ?
So your proof is “google it”? Surely that can’t lead to anywhere but truth.