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That's not implemented. Ask them for it!
Yeah I mean ...the whole module> @wim said:
I think it’s fine as it is really I mean, it’s a 909 emulation. But if you want other time signatures out of it you can get your DAW or some other midi sequencer to do that and just use the sounds from it.
That's the thing with sequencers, where do you stop. Overall pattern length can be anything, why not individual tracks any length, probability, offset, random pattern generation, playhead direction modes, etc, etc. It's basic and that's OK. It's not going to intimidate anyone whose never seen a drum machine before and I think that's quite nice.
Absolutely. When I’m teaching my iPad is right by me, in fact it’s always right by me. I’ve had this app open in my lessons while beta testing to put down grooves real quick to help with teaching. It’s really useful, especially when teaching bass. The fact that it’s so easy and quick to use is just great. There are other apps for depth and complicated stuff - that take a bit more pissypanting about with - and they’re great for a different application. I’m a huge fan of DigiStix actually, and it can do way more than this app. But it can’t do quick and simple and quick and simple is often quite smashing.
Finally got a play with it. I tried to figure out how some interesting tonal movement was happening in some presets like Subtle Screamer, Step n Time, etc. then I realized it's the Crusher section.
If I come up with a pattern I like and I want to edit it in something else, there's no way to export it by MIDI, right? Not complaining, just wondering.
No export. But MIDI out is planned for the future, so I guess you could record it into something else when that happens.
It could be me but I was hoping that the bassdrum and snare were synthesized, this doesn’t seem to be the case. I also miss the magic with the clap. The real thing has something magical with the clap.
Anyone else notice the bass drum has really audible recording noise on the tail (sounds like interference - it’s very noticeable on my headphones at least, and more so if you add “heat”). The snare also has audible recording noise/hum in the background, especially if you decrease “crispy”.
Hopefully they can do an update resolving some of the quality issues with this.
They are synthesized. They are not samples.
It can't be recording noise. It's a synthesized bass drum and snare.
You should expect noise on the bass drum with the heat turned up. It's a distortion. But yes, I hear it too. In fact, that sound is much like what you'd get by running that kick through many distortion stomp boxes. I consider it just part of the "character". They didn't claim to have tried to create a pristine sound.
I do hear a ringing "aliasing" sound when pitching the kick up or down. This is more noticeable in GarageBand than in AUM for some reason. I don't like that ringing sound too much.
I do not hear any noise or hum in the background of the snare at all.
Hm, I’m not so sure. I suspect it is just combining two different sample layers, or perhaps one sample layer (for the decay) with a synthesised “transient” part, for both kick and snare.
Maybe I’m wrong, but the noise in the background sounds a lot like the noise you get with a cheap USB interface picking up electrical interference, plus the sound cuts off abruptly as if the sample was cut without a fade. FWIW, MV08 had a similar noise issue with its kick sample, I think the dev resolved it by replacing the sample IIRC.
That could also explain the “aliasing” you hear, as artefacts of a basic resampling algorithm.
I’ve attached an example of both the kick and snare (with minimum “crisp”) exhibiting the noise, and a version with the tail normalised to exaggerate it.
Anyway, as long as people enjoy it, all good. For me this noise issue makes it unusable, I had the same situation with MV08 where sometimes it was not noticeable but if you e.g. compressed or distorted the drums, the digital noise became really noticeable in the mix. But I’ve got Pure Acid to cover these sounds so not a big deal for me!
They have said that the instrument doesn’t use samples.
Interestingly the original 909 does use samples (for cymbals and hihats)!
If they managed to make those sound identical to the 909 without samples I take my hat off to them!
With the levels as loud as I can get them and listening through headphones I do not hear any significant issues with the kick or snare sounds at all. Any “ringing” can be tweaked out with decay. Those sounds are pretty darn good. 🤷🏽♂️
Back in 1983-1985, when the 909 was in production, physical modeling tech wasn't very accessible.
Cymbal and hi-hat sounds are within reach of today's modeling tech.
I had the same thoughts as @brambos, knowing the 909 used samples for the hats and cymbals. Sure you can model those sounds, but it's difficult, and to make it sound like just like a particular sample, even harder. If they did synthesize those sounds, they did good.
@tdmusic @espiegel123 @brambos @wim
Fair enough, must be an aesthetic choice to add some grit I guess. The reason I assumed it was samples was because MV08 had a very similar “ringing” on the kick tail and it was an issue with the sample recording which later got fixed.
Where synthesis is used in place of a sample for such applications as this - where dirt can be dialled in, it is likely going to be possible to dial in a sound that is not pleasing to your ear. Other people will love the sound for the very same reason.
Update, 12ms. Not great, not terrible. At least things are moving in the right direction. There's been some good work done on this overall, hopefully the timing gets a proper fix but it's progress.
Really? I’m still getting the 25ms. In fairness, the update didn’t say that the timing had been improved.
It does and looks like they're done working on timing. Coming soon only says midi learn now. 🤣
That’s so weird. My version is still at 1.1.1 Screenshot from just now. Anyway, I eagerly await the coming improvement.
Yeah I only just got the update but it seems to have rolled out a while ago so maybe there's a delay there, which is kind of poetic I suppose.
Checked my measurements, I'm standing by them, 12ms. Yeah I hope they don't close the case on that, seems it's not straightforward given that it's taken to now. Maybe they don't want to make promises.
Those of you who asked for Link - could you please mention that the timing is not quite there yet
I got half way through this comment before I realised you were teaching music. I was picturing a class full of kids trying to wrap their heads around quantum entanglement while you sit at the front laying down a sick beat.
Oh my, please timing is fixed? I realize this drum synth is sick but those issues kill the flow and I actually thought link supported and worked fine? Thats another crucial one! No bad vibes just wondering what would cause these timing problems on a drum machine. Thanks yawl at audio kit.
Sadly the timing issue is not fixed so it remains unusable in combination with any other drum machine. Perhaps it’s a limitation of their coding language but concerned that further timing improvement is not on the to do list. Such a shame as it sounds awesome