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  • tdmusictdmusic

    @gusgranite said:
    @tdmusic @espiegel123 @brambos @wim

    Fair enough, must be an aesthetic choice to add some grit I guess. The reason I assumed it was samples was because MV08 had a very similar “ringing” on the kick tail and it was an issue with the sample recording which later got fixed.

  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    Where synthesis is used in place of a sample for such applications as this - where dirt can be dialled in, it is likely going to be possible to dial in a sound that is not pleasing to your ear. Other people will love the sound for the very same reason.

  • SpartanClownTideSpartanClownTide

    Update, 12ms. Not great, not terrible. At least things are moving in the right direction. There's been some good work done on this overall, hopefully the timing gets a proper fix but it's progress.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Update, 12ms. Not great, not terrible. At least things are moving in the right direction. There's been some good work done on this overall, hopefully the timing gets a proper fix but it's progress.

    Really? I’m still getting the 25ms. In fairness, the update didn’t say that the timing had been improved.

  • Lil_Stu07Lil_Stu07

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Update, 12ms. Not great, not terrible. At least things are moving in the right direction. There's been some good work done on this overall, hopefully the timing gets a proper fix but it's progress.

    Really? I’m still getting the 25ms. In fairness, the update didn’t say that the timing had been improved.

    It does and looks like they're done working on timing. Coming soon only says midi learn now. 🤣

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @Lil_Stu07 said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Update, 12ms. Not great, not terrible. At least things are moving in the right direction. There's been some good work done on this overall, hopefully the timing gets a proper fix but it's progress.

    Really? I’m still getting the 25ms. In fairness, the update didn’t say that the timing had been improved.

    It does and looks like they're done working on timing. Coming soon only says midi learn now. 🤣

    That’s so weird. My version is still at 1.1.1 Screenshot from just now. Anyway, I eagerly await the coming improvement.

  • SpartanClownTideSpartanClownTide

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Update, 12ms. Not great, not terrible. At least things are moving in the right direction. There's been some good work done on this overall, hopefully the timing gets a proper fix but it's progress.

    Really? I’m still getting the 25ms. In fairness, the update didn’t say that the timing had been improved.

    Yeah I only just got the update but it seems to have rolled out a while ago so maybe there's a delay there, which is kind of poetic I suppose.
    Checked my measurements, I'm standing by them, 12ms. Yeah I hope they don't close the case on that, seems it's not straightforward given that it's taken to now. Maybe they don't want to make promises.

  • drcongodrcongo

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @thumbslapper said:
    I can't find a way to have arbitrary pattern length, only 16 or 32. Am i missing something or is it a feature not yet implemented (hopefully not something Audiokit doens't plan on implementing - its pretty useless to me unless it supports it)

    I think it’s fine as it is really I mean, it’s a 909 emulation. But if you want other time signatures out of it you can get your DAW or some other midi sequencer to do that and just use the sounds from it.

    That's the thing with sequencers, where do you stop. Overall pattern length can be anything, why not individual tracks any length, probability, offset, random pattern generation, playhead direction modes, etc, etc. It's basic and that's OK. It's not going to intimidate anyone whose never seen a drum machine before and I think that's quite nice.

    Absolutely. When I’m teaching my iPad is right by me, in fact it’s always right by me. I’ve had this app open in my lessons while beta testing to put down grooves real quick to help with teaching. It’s really useful, especially when teaching bass. The fact that it’s so easy and quick to use is just great. There are other apps for depth and complicated stuff - that take a bit more pissypanting about with - and they’re great for a different application. I’m a huge fan of DigiStix actually, and it can do way more than this app. But it can’t do quick and simple and quick and simple is often quite smashing.

    I got half way through this comment before I realised you were teaching music. I was picturing a class full of kids trying to wrap their heads around quantum entanglement while you sit at the front laying down a sick beat.

  • oceansinspaceoceansinspace

    Oh my, please timing is fixed? I realize this drum synth is sick but those issues kill the flow and I actually thought link supported and worked fine? Thats another crucial one! No bad vibes just wondering what would cause these timing problems on a drum machine. Thanks yawl at audio kit.

  • SheffieldBleepSheffieldBleep

    Sadly the timing issue is not fixed so it remains unusable in combination with any other drum machine. Perhaps it’s a limitation of their coding language but concerned that further timing improvement is not on the to do list. Such a shame as it sounds awesome

  • wimwim
    edited November 2020

    @oceansinspace said:
    Oh my, please timing is fixed? I realize this drum synth is sick but those issues kill the flow and I actually thought link supported and worked fine? Thats another crucial one! No bad vibes just wondering what would cause these timing problems on a drum machine. Thanks yawl at audio kit.

    Link is is irrelevant unless you're using it standalone. As an AU, the host takes care of Link and provides the sync to its plugins.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard
    edited November 2020

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Update, 12ms. Not great, not terrible. At least things are moving in the right direction. There's been some good work done on this overall, hopefully the timing gets a proper fix but it's progress.

    Really? I’m still getting the 25ms. In fairness, the update didn’t say that the timing had been improved.

    Yeah I only just got the update but it seems to have rolled out a while ago so maybe there's a delay there, which is kind of poetic I suppose.
    Checked my measurements, I'm standing by them, 12ms. Yeah I hope they don't close the case on that, seems it's not straightforward given that it's taken to now. Maybe they don't want to make promises.

    Lol, after some delay the update arrived here as well. Sadly, the timing delay is unchanged. Tested in AUM both with the internal sequencer and triggered by Rozeta xox. Buffer at 64. Ruismaker by comparison shows no delay at all so I don’t think it’s setup. I’m on an Air 2 running 13.7 so perhaps that explains the discrepancy?

    Edit: lag is sill around 25ms.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @oceansinspace said:
    Oh my, please timing is fixed? I realize this drum synth is sick but those issues kill the flow and I actually thought link supported and worked fine? Thats another crucial one! No bad vibes just wondering what would cause these timing problems on a drum machine. Thanks yawl at audio kit.

    Doesn’t look like it.

  • SpartanClownTideSpartanClownTide

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Update, 12ms. Not great, not terrible. At least things are moving in the right direction. There's been some good work done on this overall, hopefully the timing gets a proper fix but it's progress.

    Really? I’m still getting the 25ms. In fairness, the update didn’t say that the timing had been improved.

    Yeah I only just got the update but it seems to have rolled out a while ago so maybe there's a delay there, which is kind of poetic I suppose.
    Checked my measurements, I'm standing by them, 12ms. Yeah I hope they don't close the case on that, seems it's not straightforward given that it's taken to now. Maybe they don't want to make promises.

    Lol, after some delay the update arrived here as well. Sadly, the timing delay is unchanged. Tested in AUM both with the internal sequencer and triggered by Rozeta xox. Buffer at 64. Ruismaker by comparison shows no delay at all so I don’t think it’s setup. I’m on an Air 2 running 13.7 so perhaps that explains the discrepancy?

    Edit: lag is sill around 25ms.

    That's odd then, maybe someone can check though it's a bit academic really, Timing's tight or it's not.

  • osc101osc101

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    Update, 12ms. Not great, not terrible. At least things are moving in the right direction. There's been some good work done on this overall, hopefully the timing gets a proper fix but it's progress.

    Really? I’m still getting the 25ms. In fairness, the update didn’t say that the timing had been improved.

    Yeah I only just got the update but it seems to have rolled out a while ago so maybe there's a delay there, which is kind of poetic I suppose.
    Checked my measurements, I'm standing by them, 12ms. Yeah I hope they don't close the case on that, seems it's not straightforward given that it's taken to now. Maybe they don't want to make promises.

    Lol, after some delay the update arrived here as well. Sadly, the timing delay is unchanged. Tested in AUM both with the internal sequencer and triggered by Rozeta xox. Buffer at 64. Ruismaker by comparison shows no delay at all so I don’t think it’s setup. I’m on an Air 2 running 13.7 so perhaps that explains the discrepancy?

    Edit: lag is sill around 25ms.

    That's odd then, maybe someone can check though it's a bit academic really, Timing's tight or it's not.

    iPad Pro 2018 12.9 on latest everything. Timing still sucks when used as a plug-in within Cubase. Have to move all tracks to compensate, and it still doesn’t feel quite right.

  • royorroyor

    ❤️ AR-909!!

  • jolicojolico

    @royor said:
    ❤️ AR-909!!

    It’s the best drum delay in the AppStore. Soon to be the most expensive.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @jolico said:

    @royor said:
    ❤️ AR-909!!

    It’s the best drum delay in the AppStore. Soon to be the most expensive.

    I am sooo stealing that.

  • royorroyor

    @jolico Zero delay when I’m jamming with my guitar or bass + recording audio direct to my Zoom H6.. kind of like I used to do with my old 4 track cassette recorder.. the 909 is my easy to tweak, easy to program drummer.. 🥁 of course, YMMV..

  • klownshedklownshed

    Still not in time.

    Tested on iPhone 11.

  • gsm909gsm909

    @brambos (best example Ruismaker au) what are audiokit doing wrong with their timing code?
    Please help them nail it. Much appreciated. 😁

  • realdaweirealdawei

    My gut says the timing is an engine issue. Unlikely to be fixed any time<~heh soon.

  • anicktanickt

    If I export to an audio file and trim the gap at the front most of the rest is then early except any kicks. It’s just weird and it’s too bad because the sound is AWESOME!

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    I watched a few of the YouTube videos on the AR-909 as AudioKit always get good coverage online. Not one of them mentioned the timing issue! So weird.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @gusgranite said:
    I watched a few of the YouTube videos on the AR-909 as AudioKit always get good coverage online. Not one of them mentioned the timing issue! So weird.

    This is why I ended up passing on making a video on this, that's not acceptable for me in a drum machine, as much as I love the sound

  • GavinskiGavinski
    edited November 2020

    @gusgranite said:
    I watched a few of the YouTube videos on the AR-909 as AudioKit always get good coverage online. Not one of them mentioned the timing issue! So weird.

    I guess that most people were just using it alone maybe so didn't notice the timing issues? Or were they making vids where you could hear clearly that the beats were off?

  • realdaweirealdawei

    Since the latency seems to vary per sound it could be some internal DSP modules in use have high latency.

  • wimwim

    I know it's been said more than once, but bears repeating: If testing from Rozeta XOX be sure to turn off 808 timing.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    Okay, more weirdness. Only the bass drum has a latency of 25ms in my setup, all the other sounds are around 12ms. @SpartanClownTide
    Have to say, testing gets a bit tedious so I’ll wait for another update.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Okay, more weirdness. Only the bass drum has a latency of 25ms in my setup, all the other sounds are around 12ms. @SpartanClownTide
    Have to say, testing gets a bit tedious so I’ll wait for another update.

    Weird. Is the bass drum a sample?

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