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Audiokit released their 909 app

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  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @gusgranite said:
    I’m not sure that @analog_matt frequents this forum anymore? Have asked on FB if there’s any news on the 909 timing.

    I’ve had a discussion with Matt and Jeff from AudioKit last Friday and submitted some more documentation regarding the lag. Haven’t heard back yet. Yes, @ExAsperis99 the timing discrepancies remain unchanged.

    I did not receive a response from @analog_matt on FB.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    I think, sadly, people should give up on this. It's obviously not fixable, otherwise it would have been fixed already. I hope that, at the very least, mistakes have been learned from, though, and any future AudioKit drum apps will not have this problem.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @Gavinski said:
    I think, sadly, people should give up on this. It's obviously not fixable, otherwise it would have been fixed already. I hope that, at the very least, mistakes have been learned from, though, and any future AudioKit drum apps will not have this problem.

    At this point I’d just like to understand why. Seems baffling.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    Couldn’t disagree more... They got away with this in the past. Neither we nor they learned anything apparently.
    If I give up on 909 or AK that’s one thing. If they do, they shouldn’t be where they are imo, sadly

    We don't disagree I think.y only point is that they likely can't fix this or they would have. I agree that it is serious and should never have happened, I also do think they will be more careful next time because this whole fandango has for sure been deeply damaging and embarrassing.

  • iOSTRAKONiOSTRAKON

    This isn’t a problem when you create chaos !!!

  • iOSTRAKONiOSTRAKON

    It sounds bad ass. I’ll find a way to make it work

  • SpartanClownTideSpartanClownTide

    I'd prefer it if the timing update got rolled back. Although the lag wasn't good and obviously restricted how this could be used at least the tracks themselves were together. For making drum loops or just jamming in standalone using the sequencer it wasn't that bad. I haven't touched this since the kick got left behind.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    I'd prefer it if the timing update got rolled back. Although the lag wasn't good and obviously restricted how this could be used at least the tracks themselves were together. For making drum loops or just jamming in standalone using the sequencer it wasn't that bad. I haven't touched this since the kick got left behind.

    Damn, I didn’t realise that’s what happened.

  • SpartanClownTideSpartanClownTide

    @gusgranite said:

    @SpartanClownTide said:
    I'd prefer it if the timing update got rolled back. Although the lag wasn't good and obviously restricted how this could be used at least the tracks themselves were together. For making drum loops or just jamming in standalone using the sequencer it wasn't that bad. I haven't touched this since the kick got left behind.

    Damn, I didn’t realise that’s what happened.

    Yeah I found that quite a strange decision. Latency on the kick stayed the same, all the other tracks improved.

  • ZerozerozeroZerozerozero

    Extensive bug list, cpu hog and unusable in some situations but still best au drum machine for iPhone...maybe...

  • aleyasaleyas

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    It sounds bad ass. I’ll find a way to make it work

    I've thought this for a long time, but never said anything.. your music gives super strong impressions of Gridlock. Do you listen to them by any chance? Seems like it'd be just your cup of brutali-tea.

  • iOSTRAKONiOSTRAKON

    Definitely, thanks for the compliment. Their first 2 albums are still in heavy rotation.

    @aleyas said:

    @iOSTRAKON said:
    It sounds bad ass. I’ll find a way to make it work

    I've thought this for a long time, but never said anything.. your music gives super strong impressions of Gridlock. Do you listen to them by any chance? Seems like it'd be just your cup of brutali-tea.

  • erosseross

    can you send midi a not this app to play the kit? if so what notes are they on?

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    Another update just dropped, the timing issues remain unfixed.

  • tk32tk32
    edited May 2021

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Another update just dropped, the timing issues remain unfixed.

    The timing issue will never be fixed.

    I realised this as soon as AK suddenly stopped referring to the timing issue in their release notes (about 2 months ago)

    I can only recommend using this app for sample fodder.

  • jolicojolico

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Another update just dropped, the timing issues remain unfixed.

    What if the person in charge of the kick just use a sample and didn’t tell them?

    A sample with silence before the kick that causes it to sound like it was triggered late.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @jolico said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Another update just dropped, the timing issues remain unfixed.

    What if the person in charge of the kick just use a sample and didn’t tell them?

    A sample with silence before the kick that causes it to sound like it was triggered late.

    There was some speculation on that. The thing is that the other instruments also lag. Initially the lag was the same for all (25ms) but after an update the lag was halved to 12ms for all instruments except the kick.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @tk32 said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Another update just dropped, the timing issues remain unfixed.

    The timing issue will never be fixed.

    I realised this as soon as AK suddenly stopped referring to the timing issue in their release notes (about 2 months ago)

    I can only recommend using this app for sample fodder.

    I know. At this point it’s just a reflex. I see update, I measure, I bitch.

    Utterly pointless, perhaps Samuel Beckett could have made a play out of it.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    ‘Waiting for sod all’😂

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @tk32 said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Another update just dropped, the timing issues remain unfixed.

    The timing issue will never be fixed.

    I realised this as soon as AK suddenly stopped referring to the timing issue in their release notes (about 2 months ago)

    I can only recommend using this app for sample fodder.

    I know. At this point it’s just a reflex. I see update, I measure, I bitch.

    Utterly pointless, perhaps Samuel Beckett could have made a play out of it.

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99
    edited May 2021

    It's a very small problem in the scheme of things, but it kind of makes me think I'll never get an AudioKit app, and I'm glad I didn't get one of those ugly mugs!

    EDIT: But, um, if you do have one of those AudioKit mugs, I'm sure it's very high quality!

  • robosardinerobosardine

    They brought us Bass 808 so I can forgive them. If I had the choice I would take Bass 808 with the dodgy 909 as opposed to not having the opportunity to have either of them - every time. Maybe that’s just me 🤪

  • gsm909gsm909

    @robosardine said:
    They brought us Bass 808 so I can forgive them. If I had the choice I would take Bass 808 with the dodgy 909 as opposed to not having the opportunity to have either of them - every time. Maybe that’s just me 🤪

    I have a perfect TR-909, I want one , portable , on my iPad, and it has to work, and (most important), be in time.
    Audiokit have shit in the nest with this one, and they can’t be bothered fixing the mess.

  • anicktanickt

    @gsm909 said:

    @robosardine said:
    They brought us Bass 808 so I can forgive them. If I had the choice I would take Bass 808 with the dodgy 909 as opposed to not having the opportunity to have either of them - every time. Maybe that’s just me 🤪

    I have a perfect TR-909, I want one , portable , on my iPad, and it has to work, and (most important), be in time.
    Audiokit have shit in the nest with this one, and they can’t be bothered fixing the mess.

    I just don’t get that what otherwise is an awesome drum app can have timing issues that seem to be totally ignored and not addressed in any way. 🤔

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @anickt said:

    @gsm909 said:

    @robosardine said:
    They brought us Bass 808 so I can forgive them. If I had the choice I would take Bass 808 with the dodgy 909 as opposed to not having the opportunity to have either of them - every time. Maybe that’s just me 🤪

    I have a perfect TR-909, I want one , portable , on my iPad, and it has to work, and (most important), be in time.
    Audiokit have shit in the nest with this one, and they can’t be bothered fixing the mess.

    I just don’t get that what otherwise is an awesome drum app can have timing issues that seem to be totally ignored and not addressed in any way. 🤔

    They also didn’t respond to me on FB when I asked about it. They are pretty active on FB as well so it felt like a dodge. Oh well. Cheap as chips, I know.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @anickt said:

    @gsm909 said:

    @robosardine said:
    They brought us Bass 808 so I can forgive them. If I had the choice I would take Bass 808 with the dodgy 909 as opposed to not having the opportunity to have either of them - every time. Maybe that’s just me 🤪

    I have a perfect TR-909, I want one , portable , on my iPad, and it has to work, and (most important), be in time.
    Audiokit have shit in the nest with this one, and they can’t be bothered fixing the mess.

    I just don’t get that what otherwise is an awesome drum app can have timing issues that seem to be totally ignored and not addressed in any way. 🤔

    In fairness, they are aware of it and they are definitely bothered by it so I wound guess that for some bizarre reason or other it is unfixable. All I know is that next time an AudioKit app comes out ppl need to beta the heck out of the timing.... Was scary to see that Mynth arp was also off, but that one managed to get fixed quickly somehow.... Here must be something about the 909 that eludes repair

  • BITCRUSHERBITCRUSHER

    @Gavinski said:

    @anickt said:

    @gsm909 said:

    @robosardine said:
    They brought us Bass 808 so I can forgive them. If I had the choice I would take Bass 808 with the dodgy 909 as opposed to not having the opportunity to have either of them - every time. Maybe that’s just me 🤪

    I have a perfect TR-909, I want one , portable , on my iPad, and it has to work, and (most important), be in time.
    Audiokit have shit in the nest with this one, and they can’t be bothered fixing the mess.

    I just don’t get that what otherwise is an awesome drum app can have timing issues that seem to be totally ignored and not addressed in any way. 🤔

    In fairness, they are aware of it and they are definitely bothered by it so I wound guess that for some bizarre reason or other it is unfixable. All I know is that next time an AudioKit app comes out ppl need to beta the heck out of the timing.... Was scary to see that Mynth arp was also off, but that one managed to get fixed quickly somehow.... Here must be something about the 909 that eludes repair

    I kinda love that little mistimed machine...even the way it won’t shut up sometimes...it’s kinda like a freaky little delay...hey Gav😎

  • wahnfriedenwahnfrieden

    Are these timing issues reason to be concerned with building AUv3 on top of their AudioKit open source framework? Does anyone know if the issues are inherent to that architecture or strictly an issue with how they built on top of it?

  • gsm909gsm909

    @wahnfrieden said:
    Are these timing issues reason to be concerned with building AUv3 on top of their AudioKit open source framework? Does anyone know if the issues are inherent to that architecture or strictly an issue with how they built on top of it?

    If Audiokit can’t/won’t fix it, I would doubt if any users on the forum know anything more

  • wahnfriedenwahnfrieden

    I ask because it seems several members here have experience using the framework

  • CrabmanCrabman

    After reading this thread it seems its not necessary to ask but i‘ll do it nonetheless:timing/sync issues still there?

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