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Sigma, Im a lil confused brother. I love the enthusiasm! Sounds like we are on similar musical paths in a way. Ok, yes you can save all the sounds thus giving infinite sounds and kits. That alone is like whoah buddy, ha. And With abelton the 6 channel midi if you have a BeatStep or something you can rip the v-drum and have infinite tones. BUT, yea I think you need your comp near the volca.... I mean whithin Chair sliding distance. There are quirks but I ironed them out to my liking. I know I am a space brain so pretend Im a child when you ask haha! I think your dream is close, although the zoom I cant figure out the midi unless your just audio fx. Peace bro and I will try and be more concise.
Thanks oceansinspace. Will buy app soon though, even for patches. Post some of your music also.
Gravitas.
Hi.
Cable buying soon.
You said coaxial over optical because we thought id buy NI mk2. Coaxial supports higher resolution than optical ( which is why I think they say its sounds better ) but zoom u44 maximum resolution is opticals maximum resolution and coaxial has noise.
And, in our experience, compared to optical, a coaxial connection does tend to sound better. That's because it has greater bandwidth available, meaning it can support higher quality audio up to 24-bit/192kHz. Optical is usually restricted to 96kHz.
Cons for coaxial.
**The main downside to a coaxial digital connection is the potential transfer of electrical noise between your kit. Noise is bad news when it comes to sound quality, but it exists in all AV components to one degree or another. Unfortunately, using a coaxial connection enables noise to travel along the cable from the source to your amplifier.
Also, coaxial doesn't have the bandwidth required to support high-quality surround sound formats such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. So, in a modern home cinema setting, its uses are quite limited.**
Cons for optical.
Like coaxial, one of the issues with optical is that it doesn’t have enough bandwidth for the lossless audio formats such as Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio soundtracks found on most Blu-rays. An optical connection also can’t support more than two channels of uncompressed PCM audio. Then there's the threat of damage if an optical cable is bent too tightly.
Coaxial vs Optical?
Id probably just by a QED Performance Digital Coaxial Audio Cable ( won awards ) if coaxial is favoured.
For turtable. Found these.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pseudo-Balanced-Phono-Damme-Starquad/dp/B01NCND7EJ?th=1
You think its true they reduce noise? These are singles.
Id dont think id need to gain an input but theres also dual rca to single trs. Phono out is a weak signal?
So 2 inputs from single cables might be better signal boost ( I think aum combines 1 + 2 )
but do 2 inputs also double noise? Wouldnt have thought so if they made pseudo balanced cables?
Yup, that is correct.
KA6 mkii only has coax connections therefore it is logical
to connect the Zoom U-44 to the KA 6 mkii using coax.
Unless you're running really long cables?
You will have no problem with noise.
You don't have to buy gold or silver cable.
Get a good coax cable and you'll be okay.
It will sound better because you can go up to 192kHz using coax.
If the equipment supports both optical and coax you
shouldn't hear any difference in quality.
Different equipment will render different results.
You will also hear a difference when recording
at higher sample rates that's for sure.
The Zoom U-44 only goes up to 96kHz
so you'll have no problems either way.
You will hear noise if the isolating transformer design is crap,
if the equipment isn't grounded properly, if there isn't a stable digital clock,
if there is noise already inherent in the actual design of the products you are using.
Noise in the signal chain is accumulative.
It can start from the power supplies and continue all
the way through to the monitors you're using.
Digital noise is normally described as jitter.
Another thing to take into consideration when reading this
article is that they do not quantify what they mean by ,'noise'.
The quotes you are using is from an audiophile article.
We're discussing pro consumer to professional equipment.
Audiophile articles tend to discuss a lot of snake oil.
No offence to audiophiles.
Hhmmm always depends upon the equipment involved.
If the equipment uses coax?
Use coax.
If the equipment uses optical?
Use optical.
You can get an adapter for coax to optical and optical to coax.
If the equipment uses other formats?
Use the necessary equipment to get them to transmit/receive.
Optical cables can become bent so don't bend them
Coax cables can fray or the plugs themselves can get damaged.
If it's a permanent setup you've got nothing to worry about.
The best thing is be careful.
Coax and optical at this level is for two channel audio.
Once you step out of consumer level equipment?
You have the ADAT format using only one cable out and another cable in.
ADAT format uses optical cables to transmit and receive
eight channels of audio per cable for instance.
Which can go up to 192kHz with a reduction of channels though.
Look up SMUX.
I'm not going to list all of them.
My first coax cables where simple hifi cables.
They worked and still work to this day.
The current ones I use I made myself as my original ones
were either to long or to short dependant upon my configuration
with no problems at all.
Turntable signal is a much quieter signal and requires a preamp.
More modern turntables have standard consumer level phono outs
which could be plugged in straight into line level.
You have a Technics SL1200?
Get a proper preamp and make sure you ground it well.
You'll have to try those out yourself.
If you get these cables report back.
By the way was the article for the QED performance cable???
If so they're simply trying to sell you the cable.
p.s. I'll double check my reply tomorrow to
make sure there are no inaccuracies.
Thanks man. The Knowledge tree. People should read your posts if they arnt sure. Im sure.
I did buy another zoom instead of an NI. Didnt post that. So the u44 is in resolution range for both cables ( coaxial and optical ) So not sure what would be better ( all things considered ) say if there were jitter and if a coaxial and optical sound the same at the same resolution. Might warrent a coaxial?
Mixer has a pre-amp.
Will just buy them cables. Van Damme ( maybe more research ) instead of dual rca to a mono trs or even other single rcas to single trs.
The coaxial cable also. QED ( if its a coaxial ) will check a store or more research.
Turntable is 1210mk2.
You say 2 channel audio. There will be a mixer and turntable in zoom 1 + 2 and then an AUM channel ( a mix bus of channels ) through spdif to other zoom and Aum. Does this count as 3 channels?
You did mention that you had purchased
a Zoom instead of waiting for the KA 6mkii.
Yup, identical equipment so quality no problem.
My advice?
Get the coax cable.
It is just that little bit more flexible.
Though I haven't broken an optical cable yet they
do tend to be a little bit rigid for flexible configurations.
If you're going to be experimenting often
with your setup then the flexibility will help.
No need for a preamp then.
Plug turntable into mixer, mixer into Zoom.
Does the mixer have digital out?
Many of the newer ones do and more often than not coax.
What model is your mixer?
I made some coax cables using Van Damme cable.
They're still going strong.
In regards to the audio outs of the mixer.
If the audio outs of the mixer are phono
then use 2 x phono to 2 x 6.5mm jack.
2 x phono to 6.5mm (trs) will create a phased signal going into the Zoom.
Basically you're taking the stereo signal out from
the turntable and turning it into a mono signal.
I'll have a little look later and see if I can find a source for good cables for you.
Thanks, it's been awhile.
Sigma adding vinyl to iOS rig (gasp) so sick. rock that puppy and if its a dual deck more then we'll, the raves at your house.
p.s I have too many albums but Im working on a whole new trip....thanks for asking
https://scumcom.bandcamp.com
Lools has alot of polyphase, earlier work chapman stick and bass which are coming back from the grave here soon. All electronic and not the best at production but I like the music at least. Cheers
Correct.
You will have the left and right channels of the turntable
going into the mixer and then through to Zoom 1+2.
No, this counts as another stereo channel.
1+2 and 3+4 make four channels of audio in/out hence the 44 in U-44.
1+2 which is analogue can either be two channels of mono or 1 channel of stereo.
SPDIF is 1 channel of stereo and though it is rare you could
have 1 mono channel being transmitted via this stereo link
namely when using a mono preamp with an SPDIF output.
In this situation it is stereo.
If you have the zoom capsule accessory then 3+4 become analogue inputs
then you could have 4 channels of mono which I've mentioned before.
Thanks Gravitas. The mixer is just a roland dj 99. So not best sound quality but more concerned the ultimate fader ( which is likely innofader ) didnt work properly but will test more but add stock fader back which is an alpha fader with a mod so that mixer can have an innofader sticker on mixer for sales. Even that would be ok for just adding a bit of sound to say gauss or any track ( with maybe some effects ) Dont use it anyway but upgrade were likely going to be a numark scratch which I think the pnp2 fader had mostly in mind when pnp2 was made. Just wouldnt want to upgrade mixer and then add this pnp2 and at worst fry mixer but fader has a safety feature. A green or red light before you remove and move along jumper clip. Problem though is I could swear you could still hear audio when jumper clip were red but now it only gives audio when jumper clip is green led. Numark scratch is digital though and would have a decent sound card. If I ever made tracks could then mix tracks made or even scratch my own made samples or add some turntable action to some stems made.
So in Aum there can be various aum tracks plus a turntable/mixer input from line in 1 + 2. This can all send via spdif and show as an input on second Ipad?
lol. My deck/mixer along with ios gear is on a unit. Deck is actually about 50 percent off unit and counter balanced. Wood is flimsy ish so bends. Deck has adjustable feet for un-even surfaces, to counter bend. Will need to see if any movement makes tonearms skip too much.
It is still the mixer you have.
Work with what you got.
I had a look at the specs.
It doesn't have SPDIF out.
Yup.
Turntable into mixer into Zoom U-44
then out via SPDIF into your 2nd Zoom U-44
Mix with tracks in AUM when using
two iPads and two Zoom U-44's.
Add Volca's to taste.
Get a solid piece of wood.
As you're going for it, you know, make the base solid....lolololol
That will be so annoying. 😏
See reply above....😁
No, not a coin.
There's old school and old school.
That's a good deck you've got.
Thanks. Can an Aum session with tracks along with turntable input (1+2) on this ipad be sent spdif to another aum session?
Selling a mint deck. Would be difficult to see a blemish. Even deck I keep is mint apart from needing a £30 replacement that needs to re solder tone arm back ( otherwise cant put deck back together but can use the lever thing to hold tone arm in place. Selling this deck would seem to fetch more than £30 less ( even for people who know the job fix ) Would be easier for me maybe to just sell deck that needs £30 part as I wernt sure if I needed to remove original liquid metal solder or if signal would flow through original solder and secured with an above solder. Might see if a solderer would fix for £20 or so. If I walk in with deck ready for soldering.
This is good tunes mate. Listening to rave bomber, whilst typing. Thanks Oceansinspace. Will listen more.
A mix bus in aum sent via spdif even with 1 + 2 line input in same aum. Would be a stereo out channel and fine for spdif?
Can you take a photo of the solder problem??!
It's always best to sell equipment fully functioning
unless the buyer knows what to repair.
Yup.
Have you got an iPhone???
You can test it like that.
One iPhone and one iPad.
Two CCK's and two Zoom U-44's.
No iphone. Just an ipad air 3. Would need to buy another ipad/cck etc. Bought another zoom though. Should be fine. I mean if everything is a master bus in aum. then sent via spdif. I think the cable is just saying it can be a stereo sound on a single cable? and inputs ( 1 + 2 ) arnt anything to do with spdif outputs ( ie not needing a capsule )
This is a pic of the mint deck ( apart from pic a couple years ago ) now in loft. Did make more pics but didnt save on camera. Id say the deck cover looks better in pic than actually is. It would actually be more matte. So deck is mint and cover is really good or good condition ( if a bit of matte ) but not breaks or cracks.
Kind of looks like hand is a dj.
This is the flimsy wood lol ( that blemish makes deck look worse ) this is the worse deck anyway. Need to dust.
This is arm base thing. Cant remember what I bought and cancelled before sent. Probably a tone arm base. I think everything would have threaded through and then solder to a board.
this is setup. Had to put zoom over to right as I bought a metre mono cable. both zooms would have gone behind mixer ( but its fine ) New ipad will go to left of ipad and faderfox pc12 will be above middle ipad ( maybe angled forward or same angle as ipad ) as to not loose vision of volca buttons.
Should be good as a live rig, with mic also and volcas, keys filtered to any synth channel. Loopers.
You could use the Zoom in standalone mode until you get the new iPad.
Good condition.
You should be able to get a good asking price on this one.
The covers always look shinier than actual.
Matt is standard.
You could buff it up a little with Mr.Sheen and a soft cloth to make it shine.
Smells like a chemical factory but worth the finish.
From the photo it's not soldering that you need.
It's welding.
If you can take that piece out and you have the broken piece
that should attach to it you could take it to a
jewellers and get them to repair it for you.
It wouldn't take that long.
Ahhh...I see what you're saying. we've all been there.
Looks like it's going to a good compact setup.
Should be cool. Its already cool but will be good to have deck on standby. Shoom on left ipad. Mononokes on left ipad. Mpe synths on left ipad. Maybe loopers without midi control on left ipad as all midi controllers will be for middle/right ipad. Let you know how it works out.
Cheers Gravitas.
Thanks sigma, you got a page to check out tunes>?
No worries. Good music. Will soon. Just have a youtube thats mainly for showcasing app faults or tweaking a synth to an entire album. ( noob )
This is a mono cable of volca modular, instead of stereo.
I will copy a patch from youtube for volca modular and add effects.....
No patch. Il be back though.
Ok nice, your a mad hatter it sounds like. cheers man!
Cheers bro. Hows you mate. Ok?
Shoom, Im pretending to not be in flipping head and face pain! Thanks for asking its so goofy dude im tripping out a lil.Im ok maybe ha!
Whats happened mate?
Hope you get better soon.