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Wont be able to go under omni unless I built a box. Deck its mainly for scratch samples. Probably just place behind and maybe on brackets and or a bit of wood, unless you think the metal brackets dont contribute to noise. Could maybe add tape.
I live in UK. The South coast. Literally the shore line ( as always ) Whenever iv moved its always been along the shoreline. Never in land.
What do you think will be best. Focusrite 1818c. Presonus 1810c. M audio air 192 14. The c is actually usb 2.0.
The volcas I think have balanced output ( cables ) and the omni deck has pseudo balanced cables. The m audio would need to be converted midi wise. Which is already the case for the ec4. 3.5m out to standard midi adaptor. Which goes to faderfox pc12. Then faderfox pc12 would need to convert again to m audio, plus a conversion for volca drum should it need midi in.
These are the deck cables. Cant be sure if the psuedo balanced noise thing works, with timecode signal. Theres is noise I think from timecode, maybe more than if it were phono out but I guess you choose whatever connection the cables are now made for ( balanced? )
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B071ZSHPGQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Then these for the volcas.
Assume these are for balanced inputs ( volca out )
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07PWWZDYN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Wonder if converting midi loads affects latency? 3.5mm to 5 pin standard.
The focusrite I guess has a better rep than presonus, although when you do an 1818. 1810 comparision. They both have a negative review but presonus more, maybe.
Seems like its either Focusrite or Presonus. If I just go by the pseudo cable but maybe not.
So what are the ends of the linken cable? trs or ts? Are they correct from volcas to balanced inputs?
Out of the three?
I would go for Focusrite.
At the very least you get good support from them.
I tried contacting Presonus about two months ago, still waiting for a reply.
I don’t know what M-Audio’s support is like these days.
They used to be okay so they may well still be.
The volca’s are unbalanced but that isn’t much of an issue going
into the Focusrite as long as you get it right the first time round.
The volca’s are mono out over stereo headphones.
If both the left and right signals go into the Focusrite then it could create issues.
So you could either use a 3.5mm mini stereo jack (TRS) to 2x 6.5mm mono jacks (TS)
and only use one side or you could use a 3.5 mm mono (TS) jack to 6.5mm mono jack (TS).
I wouldn’t recommended using an adapter as they tend to falter.
What volcas do you have again?
If they have a chorus effect then you could use a
3.5mm mini stereo jack into 3x6.5mm jack with no problem as
those ones are intended to be used in stereo to here the desired effect.
Hi mate. Volca drum and volca modular. Focusrite seems cool and seen some mk2 for sale, although Id probably buy mk3, just to be sure Id have warrenty.
Need to set gear back up really to see what might not be needed plugged in but still not understand the volcas. Thought they would just be stereo out. So the linken perk cables I bought would create a left and right channel, which would be summed by aum when you choose 1+2 usb. The volca modular seemed fine when I used a ts mono cable because effects were added from aum but with the drum it has a hyper delay effect ( the wave guide resonater )
Need to set gear back up tomoz after buying an mdf board. This way I can just use the zoom with capsule before buying a focusrite but need to know about the volcas I guess. If you can see the cables I bought ( linken perk ) and the custom ts cable. I mean Id have to buy different cables if needed. I bought x2 of the linken perk originally and were going to use the linken perk again for the modular instead of the custom ts, if I bought a focurite with more inputs. Didnt think id be buying another custom ts for the volca drum. So not needing the extra focusrite inputs anyway?
What I mean is. With a zoom and capsule. I dont think Id use a custom mono ts cable for the volca drum and a custom ts cable for the volca modular. x2 input for the turntable. Then decide if I actually need a mic input, should the volca drum be ok with a mono ts input. The volca modular is ok with the custom ts instead of the dual linken perk.
So would need to buy something like a focusrite anyway, should I need a mic input, plus if the volca drum is better with dual inputs, even if volca drum outputs as unbalancd buy obviously need to know what the best cable is for volcas to say a focusrite.
Ok. To simplify. Id probably just upgrade to a focusrite anyway. So everything is plugged in. x2 for turntable. x 2 for the volca drum. x 2 for the volca modular and a mic with phantom power ( there would be a spare/probably unused input next to mic input ) but need to know best way to input volcas. Keep in mind the deck does cause hum anyway and different hum when its digital from an iphone. It being a timecode hum signal transmitted. What input might be best for the most noisy. Line inputs at the back or the combo input at the front?
The inputs on the front are also line input.
The advantage of using the ones on the front is that you get variable gain
which is handy of the signal is to low.
The signal coming out from the volca s should
be sufficient to be connected on the back.
By the way here's a company on EBay that can
supply the cables you need at good value.
Here's the link
https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/directcal
I recently purchased 2 x phono to 2 x female xlr and
they arrived in good time and are of good quality.
The Volcas are mono even though they use a stereo output
hence why I mentioned that you can use a 3.5 mm TRS to 2 x 6.5 mm mono TS
and only use one side.
If they have a chorus effect that's when you need both of the 6.5 mm.
Volcas tend to be mono synths.
I double checked this by the way via SoundonSound.
Why would I need a dual mono ts and only use one side, when I bought this for the volca modular ( just to gain an input at the time ) Sounded similar to the linken perks, maybe slightly less width?
https://custom-lynx.co.uk/product/custom-lynx-neutrik-mini-jack-to-1-4-jack-mono-cable-3-5mm-to-6-35mm-black-and-gold/
What about the volca drum effects. A hyper delay resonater thing? What were gained from me outputting 3.5mm to dual 1/4 from the linken perks anyway, to aum, then summed I guess from the hardware inputs?
What is the goal in this disscusion. Gaining inputs to choose an audio interface or working out what cables are best for noise issues from unbalanced to balanced inputs?
Can you confirm what the linken perk cables posted are also.
Thanks Grav.
The hyper delay isnt that great but is good when through phasedelay array. I guess. Will need to check again though. When setup. Will help solve if I need to buy a focusrite etc. If I recall. It seemed good ( although muddied by effects ) to have a delay within a delay but sort of samples that are also tweakable with adsr and also an onboard sequencer. Sort of like a synth that can only be mimiked I guess ( if I didnt use volca drum through phasedelay ) A synth having x modulation or drastic sound manipluation from a standard synth + effects but that dosent factor in sequencing different sounds. Plus the drum if good for this possibly helps cpu and not needing a synth on screen. Its just a case of trying to use these hardware units anyway, with a lot of other stuff euclidean sequenced. I guess I need the correct cable for the hyper delay but I might not be understanding how cables whether mono or stereo can affect, effects. You are saying the volcas are mono anyway?
Phase cancellation can happen if you plug in both 6.5mm TS cables.
Users have complained about this very thing.
Using only one side negates that.
That cable will suffice.
You will know when you plug it in.
Go through the manuals of the Volcas and check which ones
have chorus or not.
The reverbs tend to be in mono.
The chorus effect works similarly to the Haas effect.
Needs stereo to get the results.
The goal is to reduce the noise floor and to gain maximum results
at an affordable price without continuous back and forthing.
See my reply above.
No worries.
Cheers Grav. When I setup anyway. I can just check that custom cable with the volca drum. Dont think it has chorus? and dont use the volca modular reverb ( but might modulate ) If its ok I can then maybe buy a different audio interface with less inputs but the focusrite seems ok but the single cable might be the same noise wise as the linkens or better. Still need to upgrade anyway even if both volcas are single custom cable, for every thing to be plugged in. Zoom isnt selling at the mo. If I upgrade then Id also have another zoom plus capsule to sell. It will sell at some point I guess. Might lower price in future.
Do you think the waveguide on the drum is a stereo effect?
I don't have any of the Volca's so I couldn't tell
you hence why I suggested reading the manual
or have a look on SoundonSound.
In regards to the Zoom?
I'm not surprised they're not selling at the moment.
For the same price you can get audio interfaces that are
already 4x4 without having to get additional capsules.
My Komplete Audio 6 mkii is slightly cheaper brand new
and gives 6x6 inputs including SPDIF.
There are Focusrite models that also provide more ins and outs
for instance.
I fortuitously purchased my KA 6 mkii 2nd hand at £110 with 2 year warranty
because my Zoom U-44 developed a fault and was unusable for recording
and I needed an audio interface in the interim.
Zoom's prices shot up after they shut down their U.K. department
and shifted their distributors to a Germany company.
I've had problems with the German distributors which I'm not going go into
now but suffice to say, what should be been a simple replacement under warranty
turned into a five month wait and a bill of £120 or thereabouts on top that I had to pay.
Anyway.
That's that.
Not good mate. So I should see if I can even sell both zooms anyway. What do you think setup will be anyway. Probably just the same and no need to add the linken perk for the volca modular if the mono ts were ok. I will setup the drum anyway when I get back from shop. Will let you know or record sound of linken perk and the mono trs for the volca drum. Will add the phasedelay also for opinion on whether it sounds good as an additional synth.
That's what I thought also.
Let's see what happens after you've gone to the shop.
Will make a shorter vid. Maybe if theres still a factory patch on volca drum. Cant tell much difference at the mo, when using with effects like described. I guess if it isnt lame. It would compliment the style of aum noodles but trying to get good. Along with the wierd apps like Id700, ripplemaker, mononoke and how I plan to make drums euclidean, euclidean melodies and a pad synth, volca modular and a humanzied bass synth to keys to suit the evolving euclidean beat. If anything the low quality of volca drum used this way, might bring out the best in a quality synth. This all means upgrading to a focusrite or other now, with less inputs, so that Iv got mic with feildscaper, volca modular and a deck input also. Now I just need to be sure if the blue cable mono ts is the same as the dual red cables and definately see if the dual cables are creating any sort of echo or anything.
Will do a vid without effects.
Apart from sorting cable and inputs. Volca drum instead of another modular patchable to the other is obviously its a drum machine. Plus volca modular along with ripplemaker, should it be mixable. These sort of sounds could be used when maybe turning everything else down and going through presets on synths loaded in aum?
If only Drambo or Bram made the jogwheel of omni deck mappable to looper recorder like gauss. Radio unit just pressing record without even monitoring usually brings decent words etc to live performance. If the app then auto added a cue point on record. You would have the option also to scratch the loop. Make it a multi channel. Then you got multi channel on screen but also multi out for effects. Also make its so you can add manual cue points to each audio channel as sometimes you press record intermittently. Then trigger these cue points with a line or zone marker. If the fader were also midi mappable as sharp as a good dj dvs program. Then it could be used for the overdub. You might catch a beat which could be overdubbed, whilst still allowing the original loop to play. You would still have the cue point to deck. Not enough people have a deck and fader though.
Talking about the Euclidean sequencers?
My current dRambo project has 19 of them playing
kalimba samples, percussion, drums and a synth.
I've been experimenting with launching them as clips
which works quite well actually.
I should have a vid up soon as I've almost completed it and
all that I require to do is to hone the sound of the wavetable synths.
It's good to double check the cabling.
Nice sounds.
I'm curious about the Volca Modular.
I've been thinking to get one as I don't have a physical modular synth as yet.
What are they like in use?
Does the Omni deck output midi controller messages?
If it did output cc messages then you could put together something
like that in dRambo using the modules especially the Graphic Shaper module
and cc generator module to create gate on offs at specific values that could then
be used to trigger record, mutes and a few other things dependant upon
the project itself.
The Omni does need to be outputting some
sort of midi information to do this.
Another thought occurred to me.
Are CV signals recordable?
Okay, I had a look at the specs for the Omni turntable.
It doesn't output cc messages or any midi information at all.
It's a proper turntable.
To be able to do the things you just described
you would need a midi turntable controller.
Along the lines of the Hercules, Pioneer et all.
Maybe if you had a recording of cv signals
you could possible use that theoretically
but that would be quite a niche requirement
for vinyl but saying that you never know
and you'll only have two cv signals being
outputted L+R at the same time or one cv signal
in mono.
I don't have enough experience with "real" modular
yet to be able to confirm this.
Thats volca drum sounds btw. Volca modular. Not as easy as ripplemaker. The patches I made I just leave then tweak the shape. So not really patching as I go. Think I will just buy the scarlet instead of steinberg anyway. The steinberg would be ok if I used mono cables for volcas and the scarlet would just have extra inputs spare, should I use mono inputs, instead of the dual cables. The omni deck faders output cc but the jogwheel/platter is just timecode. So not sure if apps would implement timecode. Theres the phase technology for scratch djs. Not sure if that would be timecode or be midi. Its a bluetooth thing, which syncs with dj program. No need for tonearms.
I bought slammer for Euclidean drums. Will check other apps Iv bought. Need to build drum sets of Brazilian, African, Latin drums.
you guys know that you left the zoom window open right? we can all hear you
Ahh good to know.
I noticed the bluetooth, thought it was audio only.
You couldn't do it using time code.
Time code provides time positional information to keep
hardware and software within a given time frame.
SMPTE is a classic example whereby time code is used
to sync images and sound.
If the time code signal could be converted into a cc message
then that would be cool.
Maybe that's where mosaics could come in handy?
Beathawk has really good drum and percussion sounds by the way
the other one I would recommended would be Groovebox for the drum sounds
but you have to trawl before you find the ones you would need
and they tend to be more electronic than natural sounding.
The ones in Beathawk are already grouped together and are easy to find.
I was running the Euclidean sequencers out from one iPad to the other
and it was triggering the marimba, balafon and xylophone presets in BeatHawk.
Really nice sounding and adding a touch of reverb and eq really opened them.
Oh s!!t...
Lolololololol
Gotta laugh.
Okay, we should actually switch to private.
Hopefully you've been entertained. 😏
totally entertained but completely baffled too! lol
Glad it's been entertaining.
You're not the only one that's baffled but there is method in the madness.
I can see what he's trying to achieve and it also reminds
me of when I used to do this professionally in regards to
assisting someone in building their dream studios.
We'll carry on then as it seems to be providing entertainment.
Feel free to chime in. 😁
What about Launchpad mini? Is it easy to add a powered usb hub> @Gravitas said:
The faderfox pc12 is good for euclclidean but Id be sampling all drums to drambo flexi. This way you can transpose any sample via key as I think all knobs on faderfox are used. This is why Id add a launchpad mini or subzero pad. You press a green button on faderfox then you can transpose that sample with the launchpad. I could with any other controller but want it to be accessable/not sharing duties with another controller and just by pressing green button to transpose. This will also work with echos, generative eulclidean midi for a few melodies, which isnt samples but points to synths to tweak. Which is why Id need a launchpad or sub zero to be a midi channel and note x 2 of the launchpad. Half and half. This is the benefit of drambo. You can map controllers to other controllers just by using drambos midi track only system. So there would actually be no sequencing, if you add loopbud to a bass synth on keys to adjust to your euclidean drums and a pad synth on another keyboard also to loopbud. How it will sound, unsure. Especially with stuff not euclidean. In fact stuff thats sequenced elsewhere. ie the volcas would be the only thing stuck to an original tempo.
Havent really used loopbud. Who thinks loopbud in this scenario where you dont have to use screen apart from tweaking id700, ripplemaker and other launchable synths via midi. Would benefit if loopbud had midi on of for overdub or add? Sometimes you would want to over dub. Switch midi to replace notes etc. Maybe the clear button will work.
How would loopbud basslines sound with evolving euclidean drums. We shall see when I set up controllers.