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sigma79

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:
Wont be able to mononoke and shoom on two ipads myself. Unless theres decent midi control. Decided not to buy another ipad. It would have been for additional screen apps. With mononoke mapped to ec4 though. It just means id have to learn a synth in the background (ie what to tweak ) and midi map to ec4. Then everything is plugged into focusrite. The audio4c would have to unplug a device or find combos for certain tracks. Not sure about much deck apart from the vibrtation thing you do with vinyl through a delay + some samples I guess. If I used gear more. I would probably know most suitable setups but will likely buy the focusrite.

Map both Shoom and Mononoke to the controllers
and get some wipeable overlays with the markings.
That way you can switch of looking at the screen
and play the synths using the controllers.
It creates a much more tactile feel.

Yeah, I can hear that you've set your heart on the Focusrite.
Go for it.

The ec4 has a screen for names. Hope the controller can switch scenes via encoder rather than scene plus encoder. Should of checked because I might of sent it back. My next course of action I guess is to make money on bitcoin or something and buy a headphone amp and headphones as good as speakers.

No dude, the headphone outs for both the Zoom U-44's and the Focusrite are
really good quality and I've just recently purchased a set of AKG K275's
which I got for 45 squidlys.
I would recommend them.
They are really nice sounding.

Will check the AKG. Just use superlux evos at the mo.

I don't know the Superlux evo's but here's the thing.
Once you know the sound of your headphones then
you don't have to be so concerned about the mix.

If you're happy with the sound of the Evo's?
Stick with 'em.
The thing is to get mixes happening.
Hence why we're discussing all of this.

Headphones will be ok for now Grav. Will buy the focusrite soon and get mixing.

Sweet.

I’ll also get my thinking hat on.
As we’ve both got the same iPhone SE’s I could see about configuring something to
get Shoom happening on the iPad and routing and stuff happening with the iPhone SE.

For instance Volca drum and Modular connected to one Zoom U-44 in mono left+right
and the Omni in stereo routed through to the main iPad via SPDIF and Shoom
on the iPad controlled by the Faderfox.
This way you can have effects running on the iPhone SE and everything summed on the iPad.

Plan is to buy an audio4c. Ipad mini. Launchpad x. Not sure about the launchpad but will be the keyboard that routes easy to both ipads, No usb hub needed. Setup complete. All to create the most live tweaking. Keyboard inputing. Drum rolling. Sample launching. Radio mangling, Effects processing. Music.

Good idea.

Straight forward no fuss.

Cool.

Hi Grav. Researching semi modulars but think maybe to just add a 3rd cheap idevice for a screen app.

Audio4c has mic, volca drum and turntable ( 4 inputs )

So id plug in volca drum and mic to zoom u44, then output to audio4c ( will need another cck for zoom ipad )

Midi wise with faderfox controllers and for volca drum sync.

The ec4 routes through pc12 then to audio4c for both current idevices.

Think I can then midi out of audio4c back to pc12 then to zoom. So all controllers work on 3 idevices?

Could an ipad mini 4 handle ripplemaker + effects. Another synth + effects. Fieldscaper plus effects. Volca drum effects?

What would be best to sequence. Although controllers may route for automation and even be for euclidean or snakebud. Sequence synths with drambo from 3rd ipad and just use link/wifi. Or use midi via cable and send and recieve on different midi channels. Link/wifi might still need to be on. If modulation in apps works by bpm?

With devices that all route to an aum. You still gain stems I guess and could airdrop?

sigma79

Ipad mini 4 should be ok. Just for shoom ( the thread! )

Otherwise it were pointless buying an ipad mini 5 just for shoom. Kind of pointless buying a mini 5 if now buying a mini 4 maybe.

It would be shoom plus effects, mic stuff/effects. Volca drum/effects.

Still need sync should modulation be part of bpm and bpm need to sync well?

sigma79

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CRAKROX

@AlmostAnonymous said:
I swear I’m the only person who would never recommend an iconnect4+ (Or any of their devices)
I’ve had nothing but nightmare experiences with them.
My last 4+ is currently relegated to a permanent door stop.
Word to the eBay buyers. Verify they come with the inline cable. A lot of people sell that separate because the cable alone can fetch 100$ (it’s what I did).
Im was also nervous that apple was 1 update away from making the device useless so I started building around more devices not dependent that it works with certain versions of iOS.

No I’m with you, had and 4+ too and when it worked it was brilliant but I spent more time getting it to work than I ever did making music with it so mine was sold on eBay.

Gravitas

@sigma79 said:

Hi Grav. Researching semi modulars but think maybe to just add a 3rd cheap idevice for a screen app.

I would go for getting a 3rd cheap device.
Much more flexible and one can always
change the synths or sounds used.

This is the route I’ve taken myself.

Audio4c has mic, volca drum and turntable ( 4 inputs )

So id plug in volca drum and mic to zoom u44, then output to audio4c ( will need another cck for zoom ipad )

Why plug in the volca drum and mic
into the Zoom then into the Audio4c
when the Audio4c can handle
all of this devices?

Midi wise with faderfox controllers and for volca drum sync.

The ec4 routes through pc12 then to audio4c for both current idevices.

Think I can then midi out of audio4c back to pc12 then to zoom. So all controllers work on 3 idevices?

Okay, this needs a layout for me to
be able work out the routings.

Could an ipad mini 4 handle ripplemaker + effects. Another synth + effects. Fieldscaper plus effects. Volca drum effects?

I don’t know as I haven’t used an iPad mini yet but presumably it should be able to.

What would be best to sequence. Although controllers may route for automation and even be for euclidean or snakebud. Sequence synths with drambo from 3rd ipad and just use link/wifi. Or use midi via cable and send and recieve on different midi channels. Link/wifi might still need to be on. If modulation in apps works by bpm?

As long as all of the apps you are using
can be synced using Link or midi
you can use any combination you like
as long as you achieve syncing.

With devices that all route to an aum. You still gain stems I guess and could airdrop?

That should be cool.

sigma79

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

Hi Grav. Researching semi modulars but think maybe to just add a 3rd cheap idevice for a screen app.

I would go for getting a 3rd cheap device.
Much more flexible and one can always
change the synths or sounds used.

This is the route I’ve taken myself.

Audio4c has mic, volca drum and turntable ( 4 inputs )

So id plug in volca drum and mic to zoom u44, then output to audio4c ( will need another cck for zoom ipad )

Why plug in the volca drum and mic
into the Zoom then into the Audio4c
when the Audio4c can handle
all of this devices?

Midi wise with faderfox controllers and for volca drum sync.

The ec4 routes through pc12 then to audio4c for both current idevices.

Think I can then midi out of audio4c back to pc12 then to zoom. So all controllers work on 3 idevices?

Okay, this needs a layout for me to
be able work out the routings.

Could an ipad mini 4 handle ripplemaker + effects. Another synth + effects. Fieldscaper plus effects. Volca drum effects?

I don’t know as I haven’t used an iPad mini yet but presumably it should be able to.

What would be best to sequence. Although controllers may route for automation and even be for euclidean or snakebud. Sequence synths with drambo from 3rd ipad and just use link/wifi. Or use midi via cable and send and recieve on different midi channels. Link/wifi might still need to be on. If modulation in apps works by bpm?

As long as all of the apps you are using
can be synced using Link or midi
you can use any combination you like
as long as you achieve syncing.

With devices that all route to an aum. You still gain stems I guess and could airdrop?

That should be cool.

Cant remember why to plug zoom in iconnect because I could plug iconnect into zoom and any ipad, even if it were the ipad 4. It would just be an audio channel so not much more cpu but I think the iconnect is less bassy. So a zoom plugged into iconnect would be less bassy if it were just an app like shoom plus theres an iphone that sends audio from turntable to iconnect. Maybe signal will be worse then to a zoom ( unless plugged into zoom but will message back about this. Should be ok.

Midi. Havent setup up but with zoom. The ec4 routed to faderfox pc12 then to zoom midi in. This makes both controllers send midi to any app. Just configure cc or midi ch. It should then work if it were to iconnect for both ipads because of iconnects matrix but if I midi out of iconnect back to faderfox pc12. Then midi out from pc12 to zoom. Then theres all midi controllers ( apart from Bluetooth ) to 3rd ipad. Theres x2 midi in on faderfox and x2 midi out.

Yeah. The ocoast is cool but that would then mean another module and I think I can control ripplemaker/s ok. Probably faster than an o-coast and with other apps. You can gain harmonics. I think ( but might be my headphones ) You can gain harmonics from mononoke to an app like id700 ( although id700 has additive harmonics )

Gravitas

@sigma79 said:

Cant remember why to plug zoom in iconnect because I could plug iconnect into zoom and any ipad, even if it were the ipad 4. It would just be an audio channel so not much more cpu but I think the iconnect is less bassy. So a zoom plugged into iconnect would be less bassy if it were just an app like shoom plus theres an iphone that sends audio from turntable to iconnect. Maybe signal will be worse then to a zoom ( unless plugged into zoom but will message back about this. Should be ok.

When connecting the audio interfaces
make sure you get the levels right.
Not to hot or to low.

If it’s a little bit hot it may sound more
bassy because of the harmonics
introduced due to possible distortion.
I still don’t know the inputs/outputs
of the Audio4c so bear with me here.

Saying that the digital to audio
converters themselves could be
more or less bassy dependant upon
the inbuilt DAC’s used.
I find the Zoom U-44’s DAC’s sound
quite balanced.
I haven’t heard the Audio4c’s DAC’s
yet so I can’t say.
I wonder if iconnectivity would
send me one to test.😏

Midi. Havent setup up but with zoom. The ec4 routed to faderfox pc12 then to zoom midi in. This makes both controllers send midi to any app. Just configure cc or midi ch. It should then work if it were to iconnect for both ipads because of iconnects matrix but if I midi out of iconnect back to faderfox pc12. Then midi out from pc12 to zoom. Then theres all midi controllers ( apart from Bluetooth ) to 3rd ipad. Theres x2 midi in on faderfox and x2 midi out.

I would recommend using one idevice as
the central midi hub and route everything
from there.
From here I would say to use the Audio4c
for this purpose.

sigma79

@Gravitas said:

@sigma79 said:

Cant remember why to plug zoom in iconnect because I could plug iconnect into zoom and any ipad, even if it were the ipad 4. It would just be an audio channel so not much more cpu but I think the iconnect is less bassy. So a zoom plugged into iconnect would be less bassy if it were just an app like shoom plus theres an iphone that sends audio from turntable to iconnect. Maybe signal will be worse then to a zoom ( unless plugged into zoom but will message back about this. Should be ok.

When connecting the audio interfaces
make sure you get the levels right.
Not to hot or to low.

If it’s a little bit hot it may sound more
bassy because of the harmonics
introduced due to possible distortion.
I still don’t know the inputs/outputs
of the Audio4c so bear with me here.

Saying that the digital to audio
converters themselves could be
more or less bassy dependant upon
the inbuilt DAC’s used.
I find the Zoom U-44’s DAC’s sound
quite balanced.
I haven’t heard the Audio4c’s DAC’s
yet so I can’t say.
I wonder if iconnectivity would
send me one to test.😏

Midi. Havent setup up but with zoom. The ec4 routed to faderfox pc12 then to zoom midi in. This makes both controllers send midi to any app. Just configure cc or midi ch. It should then work if it were to iconnect for both ipads because of iconnects matrix but if I midi out of iconnect back to faderfox pc12. Then midi out from pc12 to zoom. Then theres all midi controllers ( apart from Bluetooth ) to 3rd ipad. Theres x2 midi in on faderfox and x2 midi out.

I would recommend using one idevice as
the central midi hub and route everything
from there.
From here I would say to use the Audio4c
for this purpose.

Thanks. Thinking its kind of pointless just for an app but were maybe buying another phone to record my music. If I buy a cheap ipad and use phone iv got for recording. I can just route the app through the turntable which is already in audio4c. Not sure if it ipad would use the built in soundcard of turntable or if a dj program detects and uses but it were just for intermitent sample type sounds ( if at all ) from shoom or skiiid. Midi wise ( if sound quality is ok. I could add a synth to the ipad that a nanokey would have been elected to ( the hyped bass synth ) So I could still maybe gain delay/reverb via midi ( if multi channel app is on that ipad ) The deck though ( if it does pass through audio ) of an app, something like aum. Just maybe couldnt use the same effects that might be on the output of ipad or input of main aum session ipad. Deck could however maybe utlize the effects of the dj program. Which just means switching apps on ipad or midi mapping the delay of the dj program to the bluetooth controller. Which is bluetooh mappable. If it works. Can then sell zoom and not need to buy cables also. The battery of an ipad, which would only use the original cck ( unpowered ) should also last longer than iphone se. Even though I could use another ipad anyway but within the system. It should last longer without power. App combos I guess are ripplemakers on ipad mini 5 as to not buy an o-coast. Mononoke on other, with another synth, plus background apps/midi ( main stuff ) Then ipad mini to buy would be for apps, for a bit extra ,as tweaking ripplemakers on screen is cool.

sevenape

Shoom is half price atm! Such a great synth… anyone got any interesting presets?! Maybe @childofthecorndog!?