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This is the same problem I ran into. As far as I'm aware (could very well be wrong) there aren't a whole lot of options for audio routing when running a multi in/out interface.
soooo... sorry if this has been asked, its been a while since ive used drambo as standalone, but is there no way to export stems??!
ive got a great track built up with all the automation and arrangement wanted, but it cant handle my mixing and mastering plugins, would love to export stems to import into AUM for finalizing
Solo each track and Export Song for each? Works well here. Just answer “keep both” when saving the file. Each stem will have a number after the song name.
Oh that's a shame. It might not be suitable for me then. Thanks for the info.
You can’t record midi from an AU, or midi generated on a track, onto the main sequencer.
You can however put an AU instance of Drambo after KB-1 or Velocity Keyboard, and capture the midi in the AU Drambo. From there, you’ll be able to work all Drambo’s magic on what you recorded.
There is another way to record midi data and CC’s also. That’s to convert the midi to CC, and route it to a Flexi sampler. Flexi can actually record CV data, and play it back in sync with your project.
So for example if you had a generator like Thesys generating CC’s, you could convert it to CV and capture it in Flexi as a sample. The same works with pitch, gate, velocity, or any CV signal. Caveat is that it doesn’t sample polyphony. I’ll put a demo up later.
+1 to this problem. I've got a simple 2in and not sure how to work this.
Not until the recorder module can save audio files.
@giku_beepstreet this question about recording track outputs has come up a lot since AU hosting. Saving audio in the recorder module to export as stems would help a lot.
How about Audio Veek’s Midi Route?
Yeah, that’s totally an option too.
In house there’s not a direct way though yet. But so far I’m okay with capturing generated midi in AU instances of Drambo.
Doesn’t help. All the channels get routed whether you want them to or not.
I tried setting up LK on track 1 with MIDI Tools Route, all channels enabled. Then I set up two more tracks, setting them to MIDI Always and to channel 1 and channel 2 respectively. All channels received from all tracks despite being told to only listen on channel 1 and 2.
Just solo each track and then export audio > export song. Works fine here. Sure you have to repeat the process for each track, but it only takes a minute.
Yeah I was thinking about that, but sometimes you have generative or non repetitive modulation, or modulation that exceeds the pattern length. When I’ve exported audio like that, I get different results on each export (like if you have RNGs or S&H doing modulation). So for capturing whole performances export audio won’t quite do.
For some workflows or tracks though it’ll totally be enough.
Ah damn, I had only tried it on single channels to single tracks so far.
Well, I’m confident it’ll get sorted quickly at least. Giku knows this update was gonna reveal a number of bugs.
I don’t really understand that. Export song doesn’t have pattern limitations. I guess what you’re really after is recording of a live take? That makes sense, and would be good to have. It’s not an issue as an AU, but as a standalone hosting AUs, that’s needed.
There I go not reading thoroughly again 😅. Yeah, I guess I was thinking performance recording, like the recorder in Aum.
I’ll admit I haven’t tried the export song option yet.
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet.
But I was able to use Atom 1 to a MIDI OUT module on track 1 (w/ track 1 MIDI input off). Then use Audiobus MIDI routing to send the Atom MIDI back to Drambo on Track 2.
The goal was to see if I could record compositions made in Atom onto Drambo's built-in sequencer.
It works.
@wim @aleyas @shinyisshiny @Muireb @Spud @DatGood
To answer your questions about recording your live performance without doing a full song export and about audio and MIDI routing:
Recording an audio performance is done using the Generator > Flexi Sampler as a recorder. You can place it anywhere on the "Main" track together with FX like Compressor and EQ, also do your own sub mix and even start and stop recording in sync with the beats. Make sure you learn how to use Flexi's recording sync options and practice using them so you don't have to edit the audio afterwards. When recorded, tap on the waveform to open the simple wave editor and save the file to wherever you want it on the Drambo folder hierarchy. Enable WebDAV to access the files over WiFi from another iDevice or from your desktop machine to import in your high end DAW or audio editor.
I agree that audio and MIDI routing from and to external interfaces is necessary to make the Drambo standalone compatible with all these great audio and MIDI interfaces we have. For now, this kind of routing has to be done inside a host like apeMatrix or AUM.
It seems like what many of you want now is audio and MIDI routing for all available inputs, outputs, plugin inputs and outputs, and sequencer MIDI I/O, correct?
What do you think about the way it's done inside AUM?
A midi routing matrix like the one found in Aum would be great. But more than that what is really like is a midi channel input filter as a module. Kind of like the existing note filter, but for midi channels.
For example: Piano Motifs sends a left-hand and right-hand sequence on channels 1 and 2 to Drambo Track 1. Two channel filters are placed on Track 1, listening to the correct channel. From there they can be routed to their own midi to cv modules, AU instruments etc.
The midi channel input filter could be an 8x2 table with any of the 16 midi channels selectable to listen or ignore. Kind of like the channel filter in Aum.
I think it would be better as a module than a track setting so you can place it after generators or as your project requires.
Sadly, Flexi is not a great solution for recording performances because it has a time limit. I tried just that before seeing the latest posts in the thread. This is a huge limitation.
If the time limit were removed, then it would be a good workaround until a more robust solution is in place.
Right now, there's no way to capture dynamic performances, which is really where AUM shines. Being able to perform real time changes via midi or on screen and record the audio, would really Drambo take it to the next level.
Hmm, I wonder if we could host something like the auditor AU or some recording modules in mirack to record performances instead? I’m going to investigate.
@aleyas I tried the miRack recorders and they crash in AUM in miRack AU, and don't work in Drambo, heh. I think they were designed to only work in standalone miRack. 😔
Auditor is a good call, will try too.
Auditor’s AU is not a recording module. It is a fileplayer.
@espiegel123 Yeah, thought auditor recorded, was mistaken.
@auxmux thats too bad about mirack.. I’ll see if SunVox can do anything about it and report back
This might only be an artificial limitation.
@giku_beepstreet: How about increasing that limit, or even better: Write the recording directly to disk so it won't eat too much memory?
@rs2000
I'm not sure I understand the MIDI question.
So far I'm able to use KB1, Tonality Chord Pads, and Atom1... and I can use each AU to selectively send midi to any of Drambo's Tracks, and record the AU Midi onto Dramo's internal sequencer.
All that's necessary is to use Audiobus to set up a Midi loopback by creating an "All Channels" Virtual Midi Bridge on the Audiobus Midi input. Then set the Audiobus Midi output side to Drambo "All Channels".
Once Audiobus is set up... I can set up each Drambo track to "Receive Midi Always" and set each track to receive on the Midi channel that corresponds with it's track number.
From there I set up a Drambo MIDI AU Module containing the "Midi outputting AU" I want to use. I can then send AU MIDI to an OUTPUT Module with the Channel set to the track number I want to receive the Midi.
The Midi routing on each Drambo track, needs to be correct for the particular AU (Midi feedback is possible), but in every case so far, it's worked fine (for me).
I can put a Midi AU on each track to control and record to Drambo for the track it's on.
I can set up one Midi AU for each track, and use it to play and record to any other Drambo track by selecting the Channel of the Midi output.
I can even set up a track so I can record into Drambo's sequencer using both Drambo's keyboard, and the Midi AU at the same time.
This is freaking far out and ultra cool!
@auxmux Sunvox works for recording stems. Kind of involved, but I don’t think there are any recording length limits.
-Load Sunvox as an AU processor
-Open a new project.
-Add an input, and sampler module.
-In the sampler options select ‘start recording on project play” and “stop recording on project play”
-When you press play in drambo, recording in SunVox will begin immediately, and end when you stop the transport. (Optional)
To save the file
-once file is recorded, press EDIT in the sampler
-there’s a hamburger menu which will allow you to save and name the file. Save it wherever.
-go to Main Menu at top left, select IMPORT/EXPORT
-select COPY FILE TO SYSTEM PASTEBOARD, select the file you just saved. You will be notified ‘“file has been copied”
-Open AudioShare (or another app or DAW, dunno) and go down to the green pasteboard icon. Your file can be added now, and will be renamed to ‘pasted audio’.
Now the Stem is ready to be used anywhere.
AUM with a decent sequencer would probably meet all my needs - Atom 2 might be the final piece of the puzzle when that is launched. Drambo with AUM-like midi and multi-channel audio routing would probably also work.
@horsetrainer I should have added that the routing is about the standalone Drambo version which can also host AUv3 plugins and have "its own" audio and MIDI interfaces attached.
You can host Drambo inside AUM or Audiobus, no question, but you lose all AUv3-related features inside Drambo if you do.
Thanks @aleyas I appreciate it. I'll try this tomorrow.
2nd the request from @rs2000, it would awesome if there was no time limit on flexi for master or individual tracks performance recording. @giku_beepstreet
Putting in another request for the standard Recorder Module to save WAV files also. With record synced by p-lock, its a small and lightweight module to use, especially if you wanna record like 16 stems.