Drambo is an AU host now / the new Drambo mega thread

horsetrainer

@aleyas said:

@horsetrainer said:

@muzka said:

Been using drambo for a while now and happy with its sequencing etc.

Before I ran it in aum, I'd have all my midi generators on a aum channel and I'd send them to each track in drambo via different midi channels Then I'd hit record in drambo and the midi would record into each drambo track in the step sequencer and I could delete the aum midi tracker and work in drambo

I'd hoped for a similar workaround, hist my midi apps such as rozetta and chordbud in a midi channel and send to auv3 tracks and record or have midi generator and synth on same track and record

To get round it I've been adding a flexi sampler at the end and recording as audio, make 3 or 4 variations then open eg pulse on a track and use it as an audio clip launcher.

Its actually similar to how I work in ableton with bouncing midi patterns down to audio

Here's an example setup. It can be done in multiple ways, but the principles are the same.

Step one.
Set up your AU's and connect each to a MIDI OUTPUT.
All these AU's will be receiving from the KB1.
Notice that all the MIDI OUTPUTs will be pointed to AUM (After AUM is setup)

This is where you setup the KB1.
Notice you are not connecting the KB1 input, only the output.
The KB1 is outputting on Ch 1.
In this example we'll be using AUM as the Midi loopback App.
AUM will receive each Midi Ch, and bounce it right back into Drambo.

In this photo you can see that Track one is set to receive on Ch 1 (The KB1's loopback Midi)
All the other AU's are connected to Track One's main midi in (The KB1's loopback Midi).

Setting up AUM is simple.
You don't have to create any channel at all.
Just go into the routing grid and send "AUM virtual" to "Drambo virtual".
Make sure you start AUM's transport playing or it won't work.

This shows how I set up the tracks.
I set each track Ch to correspond with it's track number.
"Receives Midi" is set to "always" on each track used.

With this setup, I'm able to record the Midi from the Audio Units directly into Drambo's Sequencer.
This last pic show that you can turn off any of the MIDI OUTPUTS by deselecting AUM and changing it to "- -".
Do this after recording to stop the loopback.

Note that you can change midi Channels on the MIDI OUTPUTS too. This way you can configure which track to send the Midi.

Hope this is helpful.

That's pretty slick! Gonna have to give that a shot.
I thought that a track couldn't output more than on multiple midi channels though? In your example could you have arpbud, Rozeta cells and KB-1 all sending out simultaneously, and looping back to separate tracks? Or do you need to disable the midi output of the apps you're not currently looping back to record?

On my iPad, I am able to use all the Audio Units on the one track to simultaneously loop back and record to multiple separate tracks.

I disable the midi output of the apps if I'm not using the app, or I already used it to record to a specific track.

Carnbot

Is it on the roadmap to have more audio sends added to tracks or will it be always 3 max?

wim

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:
Whats the dealio with the wave packs? Still using aum for now but with drambo synths as tracks + a few auv3 ( in aum )

See they are linked to serum but is the oscialtor a generator or does it affect serum waves? I mean if you added serum waves, then you are just then adding the wave effect maybe. Or does the oscilator work with the drambo modules, then effect?

Plus the wave effect. Whats that like on any sound. Maybe to create unusual sounds for drums?

Hi wim. So Continua for instance. Is it wavetable or just a display that seems similar ( digital )

This ( continua ) has a lot of oscilator variation for a synth? How and is it what its about? To create my own wavetables on ios say from continua or any app for drambo?

Or wave tables on internet are fine because modulation in drambo warps the original wave table order, so much it isnt worth creating an order.

Whats the gist of a good wave . Your own sequence of oscilators ( if drambo goes by how you originally sequenced ) or if sequence order dosent matter or because theres different sound in every oscilator even if its same shape?

So essentially your own order of oscilators if order matters and or if its also for gaining a diferent or better oscilator and if its easy to achieve through ios from apps, or if just better to find on internet.

I may as well buy though if its good for synths and decided to not host auv3's.

Thanks.

Hi, sorry I can’t help. I don’t have Continua and I don’t know much about wavetable synthesis other than the basics of how to use them.

sigma79

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:
Whats the dealio with the wave packs? Still using aum for now but with drambo synths as tracks + a few auv3 ( in aum )

See they are linked to serum but is the oscialtor a generator or does it affect serum waves? I mean if you added serum waves, then you are just then adding the wave effect maybe. Or does the oscilator work with the drambo modules, then effect?

Plus the wave effect. Whats that like on any sound. Maybe to create unusual sounds for drums?

Hi wim. So Continua for instance. Is it wavetable or just a display that seems similar ( digital )

This ( continua ) has a lot of oscilator variation for a synth? How and is it what its about? To create my own wavetables on ios say from continua or any app for drambo?

Or wave tables on internet are fine because modulation in drambo warps the original wave table order, so much it isnt worth creating an order.

Whats the gist of a good wave . Your own sequence of oscilators ( if drambo goes by how you originally sequenced ) or if sequence order dosent matter or because theres different sound in every oscilator even if its same shape?

So essentially your own order of oscilators if order matters and or if its also for gaining a diferent or better oscilator and if its easy to achieve through ios from apps, or if just better to find on internet.

I may as well buy though if its good for synths and decided to not host auv3's.

Thanks.

Hi, sorry I can’t help. I don’t have Continua and I don’t know much about wavetable synthesis other than the basics of how to use them.

Hi. Thanks. I should read about the synth style before posting. Just guessing and then asking for answers.

horsetrainer

@muzka said:

@horsetrainer said:

@muzka said:

Been using drambo for a while now and happy with its sequencing etc.

Before I ran it in aum, I'd have all my midi generators on a aum channel and I'd send them to each track in drambo via different midi channels Then I'd hit record in drambo and the midi would record into each drambo track in the step sequencer and I could delete the aum midi tracker and work in drambo

I'd hoped for a similar workaround, hist my midi apps such as rozetta and chordbud in a midi channel and send to auv3 tracks and record or have midi generator and synth on same track and record

To get round it I've been adding a flexi sampler at the end and recording as audio, make 3 or 4 variations then open eg pulse on a track and use it as an audio clip launcher.

Its actually similar to how I work in ableton with bouncing midi patterns down to audio

Here's an example setup. It can be done in multiple ways, but the principles are the same.

Step one.
Set up your AU's and connect each to a MIDI OUTPUT.
All these AU's will be receiving from the KB1.
Notice that all the MIDI OUTPUTs will be pointed to AUM (After AUM is setup)

This is where you setup the KB1.
Notice you are not connecting the KB1 input, only the output.
The KB1 is outputting on Ch 1.
In this example we'll be using AUM as the Midi loopback App.
AUM will receive each Midi Ch, and bounce it right back into Drambo.

In this photo you can see that Track one is set to receive on Ch 1 (The KB1's loopback Midi)
All the other AU's are connected to Track One's main midi in (The KB1's loopback Midi).

Setting up AUM is simple.
You don't have to create any channel at all.
Just go into the routing grid and send "AUM virtual" to "Drambo virtual".
Make sure you start AUM's transport playing or it won't work.

This shows how I set up the tracks.
I set each track Ch to correspond with it's track number.
"Receives Midi" is set to "always" on each track used.

With this setup, I'm able to record the Midi from the Audio Units directly into Drambo's Sequencer.
This last pic show that you can turn off any of the MIDI OUTPUTS by deselecting AUM and changing it to "- -".
Do this after recording to stop the loopback.

Note that you can change midi Channels on the MIDI OUTPUTS too. This way you can configure which track to send the Midi.

Hope this is helpful.

This is great thank you. I could only get one midi generator to work in the chain but that's no problem as I'll just use one at a time

Thanks again

Your welcome.

I had ArpBud stop working after a while of non use. Reloading it got it working again.

Something you might try to get the multiple AU's running, is to use Audiobus as the Loopback App instead of AUM.
Just create a new Midi bus in AB, and set the input to "Virtual Midi - All Channels" and the output to "Drambo - All Channels".

Also make certain all your instrument tracks are set to "Receives Midi Always".
Everything's got to be set up just right or it won't work.

I guess there's also a chance my running iPadOS 13.7 might make a difference too?

espiegel123

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:
Whats the dealio with the wave packs? Still using aum for now but with drambo synths as tracks + a few auv3 ( in aum )

See they are linked to serum but is the oscialtor a generator or does it affect serum waves? I mean if you added serum waves, then you are just then adding the wave effect maybe. Or does the oscilator work with the drambo modules, then effect?

Plus the wave effect. Whats that like on any sound. Maybe to create unusual sounds for drums?

Hi wim. So Continua for instance. Is it wavetable or just a display that seems similar ( digital )

This ( continua ) has a lot of oscilator variation for a synth? How and is it what its about? To create my own wavetables on ios say from continua or any app for drambo?

Or wave tables on internet are fine because modulation in drambo warps the original wave table order, so much it isnt worth creating an order.

Whats the gist of a good wave . Your own sequence of oscilators ( if drambo goes by how you originally sequenced ) or if sequence order dosent matter or because theres different sound in every oscilator even if its same shape?

So essentially your own order of oscilators if order matters and or if its also for gaining a diferent or better oscilator and if its easy to achieve through ios from apps, or if just better to find on internet.

I may as well buy though if its good for synths and decided to not host auv3's.

Thanks.

Hi, sorry I can’t help. I don’t have Continua and I don’t know much about wavetable synthesis other than the basics of how to use them.

Hi. Thanks. I should read about the synth style before posting. Just guessing and then asking for answers.

Continua isn’t a wavetable synth.

sigma79

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:
Whats the dealio with the wave packs? Still using aum for now but with drambo synths as tracks + a few auv3 ( in aum )

See they are linked to serum but is the oscialtor a generator or does it affect serum waves? I mean if you added serum waves, then you are just then adding the wave effect maybe. Or does the oscilator work with the drambo modules, then effect?

Plus the wave effect. Whats that like on any sound. Maybe to create unusual sounds for drums?

Hi wim. So Continua for instance. Is it wavetable or just a display that seems similar ( digital )

This ( continua ) has a lot of oscilator variation for a synth? How and is it what its about? To create my own wavetables on ios say from continua or any app for drambo?

Or wave tables on internet are fine because modulation in drambo warps the original wave table order, so much it isnt worth creating an order.

Whats the gist of a good wave . Your own sequence of oscilators ( if drambo goes by how you originally sequenced ) or if sequence order dosent matter or because theres different sound in every oscilator even if its same shape?

So essentially your own order of oscilators if order matters and or if its also for gaining a diferent or better oscilator and if its easy to achieve through ios from apps, or if just better to find on internet.

I may as well buy though if its good for synths and decided to not host auv3's.

Thanks.

Hi, sorry I can’t help. I don’t have Continua and I don’t know much about wavetable synthesis other than the basics of how to use them.

Hi. Thanks. I should read about the synth style before posting. Just guessing and then asking for answers.

Continua isn’t a wavetable synth.

I know now. What is the gyst of wave table synth. Is it sampled oscilators? or sampled from other instruments?

sigma79

Wavetable sythesizers can be used to create drones and pads that change in complex ways by sustaining the note. Alternately, you can create percussive sounds by using angular waveforms with a shorter envelope.

Sounds good.

espiegel123

@sigma79 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:
Whats the dealio with the wave packs? Still using aum for now but with drambo synths as tracks + a few auv3 ( in aum )

See they are linked to serum but is the oscialtor a generator or does it affect serum waves? I mean if you added serum waves, then you are just then adding the wave effect maybe. Or does the oscilator work with the drambo modules, then effect?

Plus the wave effect. Whats that like on any sound. Maybe to create unusual sounds for drums?

Hi wim. So Continua for instance. Is it wavetable or just a display that seems similar ( digital )

This ( continua ) has a lot of oscilator variation for a synth? How and is it what its about? To create my own wavetables on ios say from continua or any app for drambo?

Or wave tables on internet are fine because modulation in drambo warps the original wave table order, so much it isnt worth creating an order.

Whats the gist of a good wave . Your own sequence of oscilators ( if drambo goes by how you originally sequenced ) or if sequence order dosent matter or because theres different sound in every oscilator even if its same shape?

So essentially your own order of oscilators if order matters and or if its also for gaining a diferent or better oscilator and if its easy to achieve through ios from apps, or if just better to find on internet.

I may as well buy though if its good for synths and decided to not host auv3's.

Thanks.

Hi, sorry I can’t help. I don’t have Continua and I don’t know much about wavetable synthesis other than the basics of how to use them.

Hi. Thanks. I should read about the synth style before posting. Just guessing and then asking for answers.

Continua isn’t a wavetable synth.

I know now. What is the gyst of wave table synth. Is it sampled oscilators? or sampled from other instruments?

Google is your friend.

There is also info in the Audiobus wiki

https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=wavetables&s[]=wavetable

(And lots of discussion in other threads)

motmeister

Drambo's a beast, and the new AUV3 hosting capability is very cool. Since they can only be hosted in Drambo standalone, how do you get the audio out to other destinations, like AUM or Audiobus3?

It doesn't appear as an audio input in AB3. Only the Drambo AU version (which cannot host AUV3s) appears in AUM. Is there any kind of audio interop to a destination outside of Drambo? Even the Export Audio process in Drambo doesn't do a good job of recording trailing effects. I'll be trying IDAM to Logic Pro a bit later to see if Drambo sends to IDAM. But for now I don't understand how to use what you create with it in standalone.

With everything else to keep track of, Drambo hasn't been in my active list. I came back to it because of the AUV3 hosting, but that brought up my questions. I'm probably missing something, as usual.

Edit:
Yes, Drambo standalone's audio is sent over IDAM. That means I can record it in Logic Pro, but I can't see a way to do that in iPadOS.

sigma79

Dont really like normal > @espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:

@espiegel123 said:

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:
Whats the dealio with the wave packs? Still using aum for now but with drambo synths as tracks + a few auv3 ( in aum )

See they are linked to serum but is the oscialtor a generator or does it affect serum waves? I mean if you added serum waves, then you are just then adding the wave effect maybe. Or does the oscilator work with the drambo modules, then effect?

Plus the wave effect. Whats that like on any sound. Maybe to create unusual sounds for drums?

Hi wim. So Continua for instance. Is it wavetable or just a display that seems similar ( digital )

This ( continua ) has a lot of oscilator variation for a synth? How and is it what its about? To create my own wavetables on ios say from continua or any app for drambo?

Or wave tables on internet are fine because modulation in drambo warps the original wave table order, so much it isnt worth creating an order.

Whats the gist of a good wave . Your own sequence of oscilators ( if drambo goes by how you originally sequenced ) or if sequence order dosent matter or because theres different sound in every oscilator even if its same shape?

So essentially your own order of oscilators if order matters and or if its also for gaining a diferent or better oscilator and if its easy to achieve through ios from apps, or if just better to find on internet.

I may as well buy though if its good for synths and decided to not host auv3's.

Thanks.

Hi, sorry I can’t help. I don’t have Continua and I don’t know much about wavetable synthesis other than the basics of how to use them.

Hi. Thanks. I should read about the synth style before posting. Just guessing and then asking for answers.

Continua isn’t a wavetable synth.

I know now. What is the gyst of wave table synth. Is it sampled oscilators? or sampled from other instruments?

Google is your friend.

There is also info in the Audiobus wiki

https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=wavetables&s[]=wavetable

(And lots of discussion in other threads)

Thanks. Sounds good. Worth buying for drambo I guess.

sigma79

bought ( £5 )

Thought it would be £5 for each wave.

Nice.

sigma79

wow. Its so good.

wim

@robklotzby said:
Beginners question, I want to use Drambo as a sound module In a project, recording the midi in Xequence. How do I turn off Drambos transport button during replay to avoid double hearing of the recorded midi?

I think turning off Link Start/Stop should do it for you.

rs2000

@sigma79 said:
wow. Its so good.

Have you also tried the presets under Generator > Instrument Rack > Presets > Factory > Waves kite?

skiphunt

Is there a way to record the midi/controllers, etc. from LK loaded into Drambo instead of recording it in LK?

Fingolfinzzz

Would there be a way to trigger the flexi sampler without using the sequencer but in sync with the pattern? I’m trying to make sort of an audio clip launcher but can’t figure out how to make it trigger each clip in time with the pattern. I’ve used a trigger button so far for it but can’t figure out how to get it to wait until the beginning of the pattern to start

Carnbot

Is it just me or is it strange you can't scroll up and down the screen when touching negative space where there no modules present? I guess it's to stop scrolling by accident, so maybe a two finger gesture could work

sigma79

@rs2000 said:

@sigma79 said:
wow. Its so good.

Have you also tried the presets under Generator > Instrument Rack > Presets > Factory > Waves kite?

Yeah. If you made these. Thanks.

Eschatone

@aleyas said:

@Eschatone said:
Does anyone know if Drambo’s sequencer can be setup to record midi data from a MidiFX Auv3 , such as KB-1 or Velocity KB?
I’ve been running into an old issue I’ve had with a lot of apps, where triads cause the on-screen KB to stick for a second; an issue I don’t have with the aforementioned keyboard plugins.

I’ve tried everything from the track’s midi settings “Receives midi (from) & Module midi input” , to module routings + plus everything else I can think to try, but no luck yet.

You can’t record midi from an AU, or midi generated on a track, onto the main sequencer.

You can however put an AU instance of Drambo after KB-1 or Velocity Keyboard, and capture the midi in the AU Drambo. From there, you’ll be able to work all Drambo’s magic on what you recorded.

There is another way to record midi data and CC’s also. That’s to convert the midi to CC, and route it to a Flexi sampler. Flexi can actually record CV data, and play it back in sync with your project.
So for example if you had a generator like Thesys generating CC’s, you could convert it to CV and capture it in Flexi as a sample. The same works with pitch, gate, velocity, or any CV signal. Caveat is that it doesn’t sample polyphony. I’ll put a demo up later.

Thanks for the tips, mate. Seems to be more than enough workarounds worth looking into. I’m especially intrigued with using flexi to sample mod envelopes — been meaning to give that a try, especially to use within iVCS3.

Eschatone

@horsetrainer said:
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet.

But I was able to use Atom 1 to a MIDI OUT module on track 1 (w/ track 1 MIDI input off). Then use Audiobus MIDI routing to send the Atom MIDI back to Drambo on Track 2.

The goal was to see if I could record compositions made in Atom onto Drambo's built-in sequencer.

It works.

Sounds like it could be a great solution, if only I can get it to work. Haven’t used audiobus 3 in ages though, and it’s currently crashing everytime I try to load it on my iOS 13.3 iPad Pro :-/

Do you know if midi routing via AUM or ApeMatrix can accomplish the same?

Eschatone

@RajahP said:

@aleyas said:

@Eschatone said:
Does anyone know if Drambo’s sequencer can be setup to record midi data from a MidiFX Auv3 , such as KB-1 or Velocity KB?
I’ve been running into an old issue I’ve had with a lot of apps, where triads cause the on-screen KB to stick for a second; an issue I don’t have with the aforementioned keyboard plugins.

I’ve tried everything from the track’s midi settings “Receives midi (from) & Module midi input” , to module routings + plus everything else I can think to try, but no luck yet.

You can’t record midi from an AU, or midi generated on a track, onto the main sequencer.

You can however put an AU instance of Drambo after KB-1 or Velocity Keyboard, and capture the midi in the AU Drambo. From there, you’ll be able to work all Drambo’s magic on what you recorded.

There is another way to record midi data and CC’s also. That’s to convert the midi to CC, and route it to a Flexi sampler. Flexi can actually record CV data, and play it back in sync with your project.
So for example if you had a generator like Thesys generating CC’s, you could convert it to CV and capture it in Flexi as a sample. The same works with pitch, gate, velocity, or any CV signal. Caveat is that it doesn’t sample polyphony. I’ll put a demo up later.

How about Audio Veek’s Midi Route?

thanks! Just now bought Veek’s Midi Tools suite, and it did the job swimmingly!

Carnbot

@skiphunt said:
Is there a way to record the midi/controllers, etc. from LK loaded into Drambo instead of recording it in LK?

Yeah that works with Audioveek Midi route as well as above, route to a different Drambo channel and record the input in a different track.

eross

so i have one scene playing. i copy and paste at the top to duplicate the scene in my song.
can i automate perscene, i’d like to have a filter the filter closed in the first scene, but then when it switches to the next scene, i’d love to have the filter slowly open up. but if i go
back to
scene one have the filter back where it was in scene one

is it possible?

Eschatone

@sigma79 said:

Hi wim. So Continua for instance. Is it wavetable or just a display that seems similar ( digital )

Continua is a virtual analog type synth with basic morphable wave shapes, not wavetable.. If you want to explore wavetable synthesis, Synthmaster One is where it’s at... Drambo’s IAP Wavetable synth is also hella powerful. I own Serum, so was able to import all of it’s factory wavetables into Drambo’s WT module — but if you don’t have Serum already, you can find a plethora of free serum compatible wavetables on the net , and (presumably) all will load into drambo just fine.

Eschatone

@eross said:
so i have one scene playing. i copy and paste at the top to duplicate the scene in my song.
can i automate perscene, i’d like to have a filter the filter closed in the first scene, but then when it switches to the next scene, i’d love to have the filter slowly open up. but if i go
back to
scene one have the filter back where it was in scene one

is it possible?

I don’t think it’s possible to automate scene changes — it’s currently more of a live performance tool, like Maschine’s snapshots.

drewinnit

Just had my first deep dive into the update and I’m amazed at how well the AUv3s integrate into the Drambo work Flow
Here’s a little jam I made as I tested it out:

Featuring DRC, Cyclop, Continua, midiGATEs, Rozeta, Mozaic, LaGrange and the other usual suspects

Carnbot

@Eschatone said:
I don’t think it’s possible to automate scene changes — it’s currently more of a live performance tool, like Maschine’s snapshots.

You can midi learn the scenes, so I don't see why you can't sequence them, I've not tried yet though.

sigma79

@Eschatone said:

@sigma79 said:

Hi wim. So Continua for instance. Is it wavetable or just a display that seems similar ( digital )

Continua is a virtual analog type synth with basic morphable wave shapes, not wavetable.. If you want to explore wavetable synthesis, Synthmaster One is where it’s at... Drambo’s IAP Wavetable synth is also hella powerful. I own Serum, so was able to import all of it’s factory wavetables into Drambo’s WT module — but if you don’t have Serum already, you can find a plethora of free serum compatible wavetables on the net , and (presumably) all will load into drambo just fine.

Cool thanks Eschatone. Silly of me. Was just seeing continua as a digital display with varying oscilators. Think Factory also has some wavetable.

eross

@Eschatone said:

@eross said:
so i have one scene playing. i copy and paste at the top to duplicate the scene in my song.
can i automate perscene, i’d like to have a filter the filter closed in the first scene, but then when it switches to the next scene, i’d love to have the filter slowly open up. but if i go
back to
scene one have the filter back where it was in scene one

is it possible?

I don’t think it’s possible to automate scene changes — it’s currently more of a live performance tool, like Maschine’s snapshots.

that’s what i though but figured it check