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Perhaps there’s a more minimalistic solution. Perhaps each track device located in main could eventually have an audio recorder built in. Kind of like ‘record track’s session’ or something. That way we wouldn’t need to add extra modules to the interface.
A bit similar in practice to how you can record the output of each channel in Aum. Just that the utility would be accessible as a red button (or anything) on the actual track device itself. Or have a small “R” button beneath the MASTER, A, B, Pan knobs at the right side of an open track @giku_beepstreet
I have just been placing 4 pockets multi track on the master right after enso for some live looping. It’s been working well to record live.
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I'm confused. I'm able to do all this Midi recording from within standalone Drambo.
I can also record individual audio tracks within standalone Drambo by putting an individual instance of 4Pocket's Multitrack Recorder at the end of each track. Multitrack Recorder uses an Audio Pool that collects stems from all the instances.
But I completely agree... that having the Midi and Audio track recording as a built-in features of standalone Drambo would make it the perfect App.
But for now I'm astounded by what I've been able to do!!!
The problem comes when you have an app like LK that sends on multiple midi channels. In LK, each track outputs on a separate channel. You would think that sending the midi out and back in, and filtering on the channel at the input like you say, would work, but it doesn’t.
Single-channel AU Midi plugins aren’t a problem. LK isn’t a problem if you only set up one track. But if you set up more than one track, routing by midi channel doesn’t work right - at least not in my tests.
Hi wim. So Continua for instance. Is it wavetable or just a display that seems similar ( digital )
This ( continua ) has a lot of oscilator variation for a synth? How and is it what its about? To create my own wavetables on ios say from continua or any app for drambo?
Or wave tables on internet are fine because modulation in drambo warps the original wave table order, so much it isnt worth creating an order.
Whats the gist of a good wave . Your own sequence of oscilators ( if drambo goes by how you originally sequenced ) or if sequence order dosent matter or because theres different sound in every oscilator even if its same shape?
So essentially your own order of oscilators if order matters and or if its also for gaining a diferent or better oscilator and if its easy to achieve through ios from apps, or if just better to find on internet.
I may as well buy though if its good for synths and decided to not host auv3's.
Thanks.
I was wondering, if one wanted to set up multi out and record it into a computer like a hardware mpc or something, what would be the best way to do this? Realistically it should be able to pipe it digitally over usb c but Mac is limited to one channel natively iirc. Seems illogical to buy another 8 out interface for my iPad and wire it all back in to an 8 input interface for my Mac. I imagine there would be ground loop hum along with a huge mess of wires. Is there a better solution other than exporting and dragging them into DAW? I hate that workflow it’s a real drag for me. Call me old school but I just like to record hardware that way lol
If im correct and you can gain an original oscilator from any synths. Then will it be ideal to add auv3 to drambo to gain oscilators for the wave oscilator module? directly.
Forgive if Im being silly.
Gotcha.
Now I understand the issue being discussed.
I've only been working with one Midi channel. I'm Just really happy to be able to record using Atom 1 first, and then be able to transfer Atom's midi into the Drambo sequencer for easy all in one sequencer project storage.
This update rocks!
Multi out in standalone for use with audio interfaces is planned for the future, I believe.
It will all come in time.
Oh right, I think I know why the Miditools routing trick doesn’t work correctly - it’s because each track on Drambo can only output on a single channel. For instance, you couldn’t set up 3 midi output modules on 3 different channels on the same track - it would still only output on a single channel. So multi channel midi from apps like LK is being bottlenecked to a single output channel on the way out of Drambo. It’s a current limitation.
The auv3 apps with midi multi-out work very well with Drambo. Hopefully @sinosoidal can implement it so that we can use our LK projects in whatever host we wish.
Beginners question, I want to use Drambo as a sound module In a project, recording the midi in Xequence. How do I turn off Drambos transport button during replay to avoid double hearing of the recorded midi?
This is what I need, the ability to record with kb-1, chordbud etc into the step sequencer. Not multi out so this app would meet that need?
Is it a suite with other midi apps? Are the others apps worthwhile?
Spent so much recently on apps really didn't want to buy another lol
Thanks, that’s a good idea. 4pockets multitrack is however expecting a 48khz input signal and Drambo is 44khz. How can I change this?
@auxmux Have tried Multi-track Recorder from 4pockets? That should work I think.
Implementing in the standalone host seems appropriate to me.
Most of the hosts, incl. AUM, provide a separate record enable latch for each track; these are armed first before pressing the master record button. apeMatrix has a simpler implementation, where the user chooses in global settings between only recording the master vs recording separate outs.
Unfortunately I don't have LK to work with.
But I did discover a way to route multiple Midi Channels from a single AUv3 App in Standalone Drambo.
(I used one instance of the Drambo Midi AU to output on multiple channels, by hosting it in Standalone Drambo)...
I sent the Midi out into Audiobus, and set up Audiobus to send the Midi back into Drambo... Each midi channel was then received by it's own individual track by setting each track to a different input channel.
To make it work I had to put a Midi Channel Filter for each midi channel after the multi-channel Audio Unit. I used the MidiTools Midi Filter AU for this purpose.
It worked like this:
Multi-Channel-Audio Unit output to the following modules in parallel----->
----> Midi Channel Filter set to Ch 1 ----> Midi Output Module set to Ch 1
----> Midi Channel Filter set to Ch 2 ----> Midi Output Module set to Ch 2
----> Midi Channel Filter set to Ch 3 ----> Midi Output Module set to Ch 3
Apparently the Drambo Midi Output Modules don't act as filters, so I'm assuming that trying to send multiple midi channels into one or more Output Modules just cause each module to convert everything that gets sent into it into the same Midi Channel (making a big single channel midi mess).
Adding a Midi filter before each Output Module seems to solve this issue.
I'm not sure if this was the sort of thing you guys were trying to do, or if it will help get LK working, but it does appear to be a workable solution for separating midi channels so they can each be output on their own channel.
I was able to record the separated incoming midi onto Drambo's internal sequencer, one channel per track, all in one take, just by starting the Drambo transport in rec mode.
Let me know if this works with LK. I'm curious.
Thanks, it works great! A little bit complex but a good workaround for the moment.
Do you already own Drambo? If so do you enjoy the challenge of the modular workflow?
I've been able to accomplish all the things you've mentioned... BUT it requires using workaround solutions that may not meet the ease of use needs for all users.
Also, the Drambo internal sequencer has recording length limitations that require some pre-planning. Some users might be bummed to discover this after buying Drambo. But I believe I heard that improvements to Drambo's sequencer are in the works.
For me Drambo is the most fun iPad App available. But I'm the sort that likes technical challenges, and building musical creations in the modular workflow.
If your cash strapped, you may want to watch a bunch of Drambo youtube videos, and make sure you like what you see before purchasing.
Been using drambo for a while now and happy with its sequencing etc.
Before I ran it in aum, I'd have all my midi generators on a aum channel and I'd send them to each track in drambo via different midi channels Then I'd hit record in drambo and the midi would record into each drambo track in the step sequencer and I could delete the aum midi tracker and work in drambo
I'd hoped for a similar workaround, hist my midi apps such as rozetta and chordbud in a midi channel and send to auv3 tracks and record or have midi generator and synth on same track and record
To get round it I've been adding a flexi sampler at the end and recording as audio, make 3 or 4 variations then open eg pulse on a track and use it as an audio clip launcher.
Its actually similar to how I work in ableton with bouncing midi patterns down to audio
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Here's an example setup. It can be done in multiple ways, but the principles are the same.
Step one.
Set up your AU's and connect each to a MIDI OUTPUT.
All these AU's will be receiving from the KB1.
Notice that all the MIDI OUTPUTs will be pointed to AUM (After AUM is setup)
This is where you setup the KB1.
Notice you are not connecting the KB1 input, only the output.
The KB1 is outputting on Ch 1.
In this example we'll be using AUM as the Midi loopback App.
AUM will receive each Midi Ch, and bounce it right back into Drambo.
In this photo you can see that Track one is set to receive on Ch 1 (The KB1's loopback Midi)
All the other AU's are connected to Track One's main midi in (The KB1's loopback Midi).
Setting up AUM is simple.
You don't have to create any channel at all.
Just go into the routing grid and send "AUM virtual" to "Drambo virtual".
Make sure you start AUM's transport playing or it won't work.
This shows how I set up the tracks.
I set each track Ch to correspond with it's track number.
"Receives Midi" is set to "always" on each track used.
With this setup, I'm able to record the Midi from the Audio Units directly into Drambo's Sequencer.
This last pic show that you can turn off any of the MIDI OUTPUTS by deselecting AUM and changing it to "- -".
Do this after recording to stop the loopback.
Note that you can change midi Channels on the MIDI OUTPUTS too. This way you can configure which track to send the Midi.
Hope this is helpful.
Excellent, thank you
Going to grab my ipad and read over this
Great idea @horsetrainer! 👍🏼
That's pretty slick! Gonna have to give that a shot.
I thought that a track couldn't output more than on multiple midi channels though? In your example could you have arpbud, Rozeta cells and KB-1 all sending out simultaneously, and looping back to separate tracks? Or do you need to disable the midi output of the apps you're not currently looping back to record?
The familiar iOS frustrations...
Is it right that with a lot of auv3 synths and fx I can’t see or access preset menu?
This is great thank you. I could only get one midi generator to work in the chain but that's no problem as I'll just use one at a time
Thanks again
The AU parameter mapping is really good in Drambo and essentially the same workflow as Ableton
But yes, a midi matrix routing visualiser like AUM and apeMatrix would be nice, I wish all hosts did this including Ableton.