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  • So to be clear this can just use samples of real drums (if I find some) as opposed to having the more ‘electronic’ sounds?

  • wimwim
    edited June 2021

    @NimboStratus said:
    So to be clear this can just use samples of real drums (if I find some) as opposed to having the more ‘electronic’ sounds?

    It can do both. Or even combine the two methods.

    I’m having great fun loading samples (even of acoustic kits) and enhancing them with the additional oscillators, envelopes, etc.

    The presets are focused in the opposite direction ... starting with electronic sounds and enhancing them by adding samples.

  • @NoiseFloored said:

    @Obo said:
    Anyone have a drambo setup they’d be willing to share? I’m slow, I’ve only found how to set up 8 channels but everything defaults to c3 so I just have 8 bass drums - lol

    I extended my 8-track sequencer for Ruismaker to 16 tracks here: https://patchstorage.com/general-midi-sequencer-16-tracks/
    You don't have to find the right MIDI key because each track is forced to output a specific note starting from C1, so it should trigger each Drumkit pad. Let me know if you need any help.

    Hi Noise Floored - looks great -

    Can you also post this as a rack - so that I can save it to my processors racks?

    Or - how do I save such a project as yours as a rack by myself?

    This was never clear to me ...

  • edited June 2021

    @NimboStratus said:
    So to be clear this can just use samples of real drums (if I find some) as opposed to having the more ‘electronic’ sounds?

    Yep, you can load acoustic samples into FAC Drum. However, it doesn't support multiple velocity layers for samples, so this app wouldn't be my first choice for acoustic realism, if that's what you're after. AudioLayer, Drambo Flexi and Multisampler, or Digistix allow you to import multiple samples per note so that you can dynamically trigger different samples depending on the velocity you play at. Those would be more suitable for acoustic drum sample sets.

    Don't let that stop you though, acoustic samples will still sound great in FAC, especially with the envelopes and filters on top.. they just may not be very convincing (acoustically) as single shot samples. Also, FAC is velocity sensitive, so you still can bring dynamics to them of course

  • Loaded it up with electronic percussive sounds and triggered with Turing Machine & Collider for maximum.

    (Probably isn't going to sound good through a phone speaker)

  • edited June 2021

    Nobody else having an issue with the samples not triggering after a few triggers in Drambo?

    @FredAntonCorvest any ideas? 🤔

  • edited June 2021

    Hit quote instead of exit 🙄

  • @ronnieb said:
    Nobody else having an issue with the samples not triggering after a few triggers in Drambo?

    @FredAntonCorvest any ideas? 🤔

    No ideas, but that surprise eurorack reveal was great 😆

  • @ronnieb said:
    Nobody else having an issue with the samples not triggering after a few triggers in Drambo?

    All good here. I’m on iOS 13.7, iPad Air 2.

  • @drcongo said:
    I love it already.

    Have you combined it with your brand new Drum Surgeon yet? 😶

  • So this kinda sits between drum computer and DigiStix ?

  • @NimboStratus said:
    So this kinda sits between drum computer and DigiStix ?

    Don't know about DigiStix, but it's definitly very different to Drumcomputer. I have both now and I think I will use them both depending on my mood :D

  • edited June 2021

    @NimboStratus said:
    So this kinda sits between drum computer and DigiStix ?

    imo more like seekbeats + ruismaker, but can also take samples.
    Its defining feature is the multisegment envelope, but its sonic signature is very much 'classic analog'. Reminds me a lot of the Vermona DRM-1 and Simmons SDS8, with similarities to the new Division Department 01/IV drum synth too. The envelopes let you take it places most other drum synths can't. For example, by bringing amplitude to 0 in the middle of the envelope, and then bringing it back up, you could give a sound 2 separate attack and decay stages.

  • stupid question how to do the sequence on EG pulse?

  • edited June 2021

    Only improvements I’d like to see are:

    • a preset sound browser (w/ tags or folders)
    • a sample browser, to load previously imported samples into any of the 16 voices
    • an envelope scale x2, x5 and x10 switch, for longer envelope times
  • edited June 2021

    @aleyas said:
    Only improvements I’d like to see are:

    • a preset sound browser (w/ tags or folders)
    • a sample browser, to load previously imported samples into any of the 16 voices
    • an envelope scale x2, x5 and x10 switch, for longer envelope times

    3 cheers for better sample browser. And perhaps a preview function. Or just ABC order would work. I have a 430 sample bass drum folder, for example, labeled by drum machine, but when loaded into the app, everything’s scattered and it’s very difficult once a sample is chosen to scroll and find another from the same machine. I do understand that this is a specific personal case, but I’m sure I’m not the only one. Understood if you think it’s beyond the scope of your app, though.

    I always hate requesting things, but this is more of a logistics/maintenance thing so I don’t feel so bad.

  • So happy that this is universal! Almost everything starts on iPhone for me and as such I hardly use drum computer (even though I love it)

  • Oh, and at least one choke group is ESSENTIAL for hihats. Bummed I still have to use Patterning in the meantime, but I figure this will definitely be added.

  • Sequenced with Atom 2 with the sample start and filter cutoffs being modulated by Rozeta LFO.

  • @Bon_Tempi said:

    @NoiseFloored said:

    @Obo said:
    Anyone have a drambo setup they’d be willing to share? I’m slow, I’ve only found how to set up 8 channels but everything defaults to c3 so I just have 8 bass drums - lol

    I extended my 8-track sequencer for Ruismaker to 16 tracks here: https://patchstorage.com/general-midi-sequencer-16-tracks/
    You don't have to find the right MIDI key because each track is forced to output a specific note starting from C1, so it should trigger each Drumkit pad. Let me know if you need any help.

    Hi Noise Floored - looks great -

    Can you also post this as a rack - so that I can save it to my processors racks?

    Or - how do I save such a project as yours as a rack by myself?

    This was never clear to me ...

    You mean with this Drambo sequencer hosted as AU within Drambo itself? I would do this:

    • In Drambo host, insert an Audio Unit MIDI processor module with Drambo AU
    • In Drambo AU, open the project I shared
    • In Drambo host, save a preset for the module a name it whatever you want
    • In the future, you just have to insert an AU MIDI processor module and choose the preset you saved.

    Does this help?

  • @Bon_Tempi I would save the project as a template. Then you can open that template anytime you want to sequence FAC Drumkit with Drambo. You could open the project as an AU in aum, or host it within Drambo itself. The project wouldn’t make sense as a rack, as that would take away the xox sequencing capabilities it exploits by using 16 tracks.

    @NoiseFloored this morning as I read this thread i made the same 16 track project as you, with number modules, before I realized you had uploaded one already 😂

  • @aleyas said:
    @Bon_Tempi I would save the project as a template. Then you can open that template anytime you want to sequence FAC Drumkit with Drambo. You could open the project as an AU in aum, or host it within Drambo itself. The project wouldn’t make sense as a rack, as that would take away the xox sequencing capabilities it exploits by using 16 tracks.

    Oh right, I forgot to mention templates as an alternative. I do have that but then save a preset with it in the hosts I use (Drambo, AUM, Cubasis) just to make loading a bit faster.

    @NoiseFloored this morning as I read this thread i made the same 16 track project as you, with number modules, before I realized you had uploaded one already 😂

    lol I was actually surprised that no one had uploaded something like it already, that's why I also uploaded my Ruismaker template

  • @pmartini said:
    stupid question how to do the sequence on EG pulse?

    In AUM, load both as audio tracks. Route Drum kit to EG Pulse. Turn EG Pulse all the way down. And change the midi settings in EG Pulse to match your Drum kit layout.



  • @oat_phipps said:

    @NeuM said:

    @onerez said:
    Is the GUI not going full size on this???

    No, that’s the usual size with Fred’s apps. I’m of the opinion a drum machine should take advantage of the size of the device. I bought the app and some of the type is way too small. I’d appreciate an iPad Pro sized app that fills up the screen and has more (if not all) of the functions in a single layout.

    That’s the thing about the Pro…I’ve found it’s worthless for gaining more screen real estate because most of the stuff I use doesn’t use it. Really wish I’d stuck with the 11.

    Replace "the Pro" with "the power of the new M1 iPad" and "gaining more screen real estate" with "adding power to my music making apps" and that's why I'm not getting an M1. I will possibly get an M2 or 3 or 4 depending on when the App Store catches up.

  • edited June 2021

    I guess I'll be the voice of opposition in saying I'm not really enjoying FD. I pre-ordered it given everyone's love of FAC stuff (and I enjoy FAC Chorus) and the idea of having a daily-use drum synth that isn't DC (which is a CPU hog). The UI is a bit to small and cluttered for my liking, even on my 10.2in 8th gen. I don't really enjoy the programming UI, either. Lastly, in order to import a folder, it seems I need to move it from Audioshare to Files, which is a pain in the butt (though this isn't specific to FD). The sounds aren't bad, but there's nothing in there that makes me go "OMG I gotta have this!". It's not a bad app, by any means, it just doesn't do it for me. Oh well.

  • @slicetwo said:
    I guess I'll be the voice of opposition in saying I'm not really enjoying FD. I pre-ordered it given everyone's love of FAC stuff (and I enjoy FAC Chorus) and the idea of having a daily-use drum synth that isn't DC (which is a CPU hog). The UI is a bit to small and cluttered for my liking, even on my 10.2in 8th gen. I don't really enjoy the programming UI, either. Lastly, in order to import a folder, it seems I need to move it from Audioshare to Files, which is a pain in the butt (though this isn't specific to FD). The sounds aren't bad, but there's nothing in there that makes me go "OMG I gotta have this!". It's not a bad app, by any means, it just doesn't do it for me. Oh well.

    Completely understand the criticisms. The UI is still the biggest obstacle for me and fortunately, that’s a solvable problem. It needs to be made full screen and use the available “real estate” of iPadOS.

  • edited June 2021

    @slicetwo said:
    I guess I'll be the voice of opposition in saying I'm not really enjoying FD. I pre-ordered it given everyone's love of FAC stuff (and I enjoy FAC Chorus) and the idea of having a daily-use drum synth that isn't DC (which is a CPU hog). The UI is a bit to small and cluttered for my liking, even on my 10.2in 8th gen. I don't really enjoy the programming UI, either. Lastly, in order to import a folder, it seems I need to move it from Audioshare to Files, which is a pain in the butt (though this isn't specific to FD). The sounds aren't bad, but there's nothing in there that makes me go "OMG I gotta have this!". It's not a bad app, by any means, it just doesn't do it for me. Oh well.

    Same. It’s an ok sample player, and I might use it for that to replace Patterning once it gets a choke group since it’s AU and double the instruments, but the file load/browse system is a huuuge drag It’s not as ideal as it seemed it would be. The synth engine isn’t great for me either, and the examples of layering synth and samples are pretty lame…they’re mostly just great-sounding samples with synth blips buried in the mix to where you can’t even really hear them. Maybe someone else can provide better examples, but the factory ones are unimpressive and I still much prefer Seekbeats and will continue to use it over this despite it being IAA.

    Unfortunately, the brambos Hammerhead doesn’t look like it’ll solve all my issues either. Total bummer considering I figured one of those two awesome devs would nail it. The perfect AU drum search continues…

  • @oat_phipps said:

    @slicetwo said:
    I guess I'll be the voice of opposition in saying I'm not really enjoying FD. I pre-ordered it given everyone's love of FAC stuff (and I enjoy FAC Chorus) and the idea of having a daily-use drum synth that isn't DC (which is a CPU hog). The UI is a bit to small and cluttered for my liking, even on my 10.2in 8th gen. I don't really enjoy the programming UI, either. Lastly, in order to import a folder, it seems I need to move it from Audioshare to Files, which is a pain in the butt (though this isn't specific to FD). The sounds aren't bad, but there's nothing in there that makes me go "OMG I gotta have this!". It's not a bad app, by any means, it just doesn't do it for me. Oh well.

    Same. It’s an ok sample player, and I might use it for that to replace Patterning once it gets a choke group since it’s AU and double the instruments, but the file load/browse system is a huuuge drag It’s not as ideal as it seemed it would be. Unfortunately, the brambos Hammerhead doesn’t look like it’ll solve all my issues either. Total bummer considering I figured one of those two awesome devs would nail it. The perfect AU drum search continues…

    As I said in my prior post, these are eminently solvable issues. And if FAC commits to solving them and improving usability, then the app will rise to the top of the list of available drum apps. It’s just spending more time to iron out details now.

  • Loaded it up with electronic percussive sounds and triggered with Turing Machine & Collider for maximum.

    What do you mean by Turing Machine & Collider ?

  • @wim said:

    @NimboStratus said:
    So to be clear this can just use samples of real drums (if I find some) as opposed to having the more ‘electronic’ sounds?

    It can do both. Or even combine the two methods.

    I’m having great fun loading samples (even of acoustic kits) and enhancing them with the additional oscillators, envelopes, etc.

    The presets are focused in the opposite direction ... starting with electronic sounds and enhancing them by adding samples.

    This was my comment and the direction I believe will suit me more. For example I find that many acoustic snares lack low end, DrumKit will add that extra oooomph and texture no problem.

    @aleyas said:
    Only improvements I’d like to see are:

    • a preset sound browser (w/ tags or folders)
    • a sample browser, to load previously imported samples into any of the 16 voices
    • an envelope scale x2, x5 and x10 switch, for longer envelope times

    I’d like to save kit pieces. Say you make a LowTom you like and want to reuse in another kit. I’d rather have presets for snares, kicks, hihats, etc than whole kits. And I mean kit pieces, not only samples.

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