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I've heard many times that GB is based on Logic. When I look at the threading model for the running applications, I don't think that is the case. There certainly are parts where desktop GB and Logic have some code overlap, like in their plugin hosting portions. But, it feels to me like there are major parts of the code base and architecture that are not the same. MainStage and Logic look like they are based on the same core engine to me.
GB on iOS and GB on the Mac also don't look the same when I inspect them with the Instruments application from Xcode.
Looking at the way Apple changes the UI and the underlying engine on GB from macOS to iOS, I've got to think that Apple would do a near complete rewrite of Logic to bring it to iPadOS. A point in favor of them maybe doing that rewrite is that they have already made the workgroup threads stuff available to iOS. But, they've got a lot of AV projects and libraries on iOS, maybe they need this for some of those. They also need this on the Mac side to help deal with the scheduling on the asymmetric cores.
If Logic does come, they've almost got to make it work on the base model iPad for at least the last couple of generations. It doesn't have to run amazingly, but I think it would be a major mistake to only let it run on M1 based iPads.
Apple doesn't even support all of the features of AUv3 on Logic. They haven't ever supported all of the features of version two audio units on Logic. It took them years to support Cocoa UI's for AU's in Logic and they didn't seem to want to do it at all. I think that was probably held back because of the complications with dealing with the legacy code in the Logic UI. I'd guess that most all of that code base has been replaced by now. So, maybe it would be easier for them to port parts of Logic to the iPad than it seems.
If they do bring Logic to the iPad, I predict lots of YouTube vids with titles like "Not real Logic" and "iPad Logic is a toy app."
Definitely true for Live and other third party devs, but Apple doesn't have to worry so much about the pricing if it pushes the sale of more expensive iPads.
Taking up my new role as an Apple analyst that doesn't know how to be an analyst, I'm going to point out where I'm wrong here too.
If you look in the contents of the Mac versions of GB and Logic you'll see that the resources and frameworks used by both of them are nearly identical. It seems to me that the UI and support portions of Logic and GB have sort of morphed together over time.
I still think the core engines look very different when you inspect them while running. My interpretation of this is that it wouldn't be that hard for Apple to move the more capable engine of Logic into an adapted GB interface from the iPad version of GB to make a Logic Pro for the iPad.
Yes, as admittedly an uninformed outsider, this sounds correct to me. And as others have pointed out, Apple is in a great position pricing-wise, since they make money on hardware. And let’s not forget they get a cut of every plug-in sale as well. I’ve said it before in other forums: I’d happily pay the full $199 desktop price for a fully-featured Logic on iPad. Would I pay desktop pricing for a fully-featured Ableton Live? Ehhhh, that’s a tougher sell for me.
I don't really see it happening for a long time, maybe something from NI or Ableton though...
But I am happy. With the M1 iPad and current state of music apps, I finally feel satisfied that I can use these devices in a professional capacity.
I have 3 annoying dots at the top of the screen, a stupid swipe up bar at the bottom and have to rely on a USB C connection that may not be all that reliable but the power it is beautiful.
I was really really hoping for Logic to come to iPad…then Loopy Pro was released. Loopy pro is such an efficient sketch pad, combine it with Cubasis for mixing. That combo pretty much takes care of what I need musically. I think I’m more eager for the Loopy Pro roadmap possibilities than I am for Logic at this point.
Perhaps being announced today?
Well. I personally will like to know Drambo’s roadmap.. I think desktop DAWs have a lot of catching up to do with Drambo..
Who really needs Logic, anymore..plus, I am a PC guy..
Drambo on PC will put a lot of DAWs out of business..
Love the darn thing.. ❤️❤️❤️
I would love it if it was, but I got my hopes up last year and was disappointed. TBH I would be pretty surprised if a Logic announcement came today. It seems like nothing Apple announces is really a surprise at this point, and there just hasn't been any significant chatter at the regular rumors sites about it, other than people wishing for it.
Between Loopy Pro, Drambo, and Zenbeats, I'm starting to think a 3rd party will get there (to a truly complete workflow solution) before Apple does.
Come on Apple, prove me wrong!
Logic for iPad would make me upgrade my iPad Air 2 to something better...
I have an M1 iPad, but if they released Logic for iPad I would upgrade my Mac to an M1 to get access to more AUv3's and have a nice cross-platform workflow. Sketch out ideas on iPad, and move seamlessly to Mac for arrangement and mixing/mastering. That's my dream! Of course then I would need @brambos to port all his apps to macOS 🙏😀
"....then I would need @brambos to port all his apps to macOS 🙏😀"
🙏🏻 🙏🏻 🙏🏻 🙏🏻 🙏🏻 x1000
It seems that "Logic is coming to iOS!" is the ABF version of "Elvis is alive!".
+1
Would love to see these apps on M1 as well 🤞especially now that Ableton will support them
And:
You go back, Jack, Audio again
Lmaooooooo
It wouldn’t be logical for Logic to be on the iPad.
Then what reason would you have to buy a MacBook? I may be oversimplifying but you get the gist.
"Elvis Lives!"
Problem is, Logic isn't an anagram of iPad.
Elvis is alive though. I played guitar for him in a motel bar once long after his death. (One of the weirdest experiences of my life actually, I was not informed that a special treat for the country band I was playing with would be the on stage support of an Elvis impersonator mid set.)
Paul is dead
Actually I’d like to see just one “pro” app made by Apple, Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro, anything pro. The IPad Pro has been around for how many years now and Apple has yet to make a pro app for it??????
I heard something about it at the last Qanon meeting.
This is actually an interesting idea. The touch screen is very handy to select and do “single” operations. When you get into splitting, cut and paste, merging, etc which are usually submenus or key shortcuts, a mouse with right click or keyboard shortcuts are a lot faster than going someplace else, tapping to select a tool and coming back… why not use midi controllers as shortcuts to tools?. You could map: select, slice, nudge, etc… Has that be done in any daw?
I was napkin sketching an app ui once and thought that having shift, ctrl and alt in the lower left corner of the screen could work.
Desktop class apps coming 😳
Angry Birds pro 😉
Lol they said desktop class apps. But didn’t announce any desktop class apps. WTF.
What a tease. 🤦🏾♂️
Stage Manager for IOS 16 looks great.
Sorry kids. Maybe next year.
Oh well. That M2 Air looks 🔥 though. So does that 13" Pro.
Edit: 13" Pro doesn't have MagSafe, and costs the same as the Air when you customize it. It's literally the same thing with a fan and a touch bar. Thinking the air is the better deal.