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  • @kirmesteggno said:

    @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    What is the right combination to use?

    The ipad 9th gen also came with a Lightning to USB-C cable which works for charging and IDAM when connected to the TB ports ont e MacMini. I can't use that cable and plug it into the 3.0A port of the ICA 4C can't I?

    Some iConnectivity models came with a special Lightning cable that could charge the Lightning iPad as well as providing the USB connection. This was clearly described in the documentation.

    If your iConnectivity device only has a normal USB port, you will not be able to charge the Lightning iPad with the USB connection alone. You will need the newer "USB 3.0 Camera Adapter" which has a separate Lightning charge port alongside the USB port.

    Yeah it seems like the cable came with the older version from 2014.

    I'm curious about the included USB-C to USB-A adapter of the 2021 version visible in the pic I've posted, if this thing can put through the charging power to the iPad using the single adapter, or if I need the other adapter below and connect a separate power source.

    You cannot charge a Lightning iPad from USB-C Power Delivery, or from a USB-A connector plugged into a Lightning adapter. You cannot push power "uphill", from device to host computer with any conventional USB connection; Power Delivery is a special feature of USB-C. As I already said, you need the "USB 3.0 Camera Adapter", which is the lower one in your picture, with the separate power connector.

    I don't immediately recognize the the upper adapter in your picture, or the connector in the hand (looks like USB-B printer connector). If you can provide a link to that upper adapter, I can tell ypu exactly what it can do.

  • edited January 25

    @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    What is the right combination to use?

    The ipad 9th gen also came with a Lightning to USB-C cable which works for charging and IDAM when connected to the TB ports ont e MacMini. I can't use that cable and plug it into the 3.0A port of the ICA 4C can't I?

    Some iConnectivity models came with a special Lightning cable that could charge the Lightning iPad as well as providing the USB connection. This was clearly described in the documentation.

    If your iConnectivity device only has a normal USB port, you will not be able to charge the Lightning iPad with the USB connection alone. You will need the newer "USB 3.0 Camera Adapter" which has a separate Lightning charge port alongside the USB port.

    Yeah it seems like the cable came with the older version from 2014.

    I'm curious about the included USB-C to USB-A adapter of the 2021 version visible in the pic I've posted, if this thing can put through the charging power to the iPad using the single adapter, or if I need the other adapter below and connect a separate power source.

    You cannot charge a Lightning iPad from USB-C Power Delivery, or from a USB-A connector plugged into a Lightning adapter. You cannot push power "uphill", from device to host computer with any conventional USB connection; Power Delivery is a special feature of USB-C. As I already said, you need the "USB 3.0 Camera Adapter", which is the lower one in your picture, with the separate power connector.

    I don't immediately recognize the the upper adapter in your picture, or the connector in the hand (looks like USB-B printer connector). If you can provide a link to that upper adapter, I can tell ypu exactly what it can do.

    The upper one is this one: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter

    I also own the USB-C to Lightning cable that came with my 9th gen iPad, and this one can push power into my ipad and transmit data at the same time when plugged into the MacMini.

    I still have the older USB-A to Lightning from my old iPad Air 2 which doesn't work with the 9th gen.

  • @Danny_Mammy said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    if that does work then you don't really need to buy the dock unless you really need extra ports.

    Can I connect a SSD to the USB-A Host port on the back of the ICA 4c directly? In the manual there's only a word about USB MIDI devices, not other USB peripherals. If I can't connect other devices with additional storage the whole idea won't work.

    no its a USB connection for a USB midi hub not for SSD/HD.

    So basically by adding the Iconnect I have to give up external storage options while It's connected. That's a dealbreaker unfortunately.

    OK, good luck in your search for an audio device without using a USB port, i have a PC with tons of USB ports and tons of internal storage so never an issue in my case.

    I'd need a hub between the iPad and iConnectivity and thought that the 4c has one built in. If I can use another hub between the 4C and the ipad it could still work out, but so far all the info says that it needs a direct connection through Apple adapters.

  • @kirmesteggno said:

    @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    What is the right combination to use?

    The ipad 9th gen also came with a Lightning to USB-C cable which works for charging and IDAM when connected to the TB ports ont e MacMini. I can't use that cable and plug it into the 3.0A port of the ICA 4C can't I?

    Some iConnectivity models came with a special Lightning cable that could charge the Lightning iPad as well as providing the USB connection. This was clearly described in the documentation.

    If your iConnectivity device only has a normal USB port, you will not be able to charge the Lightning iPad with the USB connection alone. You will need the newer "USB 3.0 Camera Adapter" which has a separate Lightning charge port alongside the USB port.

    Yeah it seems like the cable came with the older version from 2014.

    I'm curious about the included USB-C to USB-A adapter of the 2021 version visible in the pic I've posted, if this thing can put through the charging power to the iPad using the single adapter, or if I need the other adapter below and connect a separate power source.

    You cannot charge a Lightning iPad from USB-C Power Delivery, or from a USB-A connector plugged into a Lightning adapter. You cannot push power "uphill", from device to host computer with any conventional USB connection; Power Delivery is a special feature of USB-C. As I already said, you need the "USB 3.0 Camera Adapter", which is the lower one in your picture, with the separate power connector.

    I don't immediately recognize the the upper adapter in your picture, or the connector in the hand (looks like USB-B printer connector). If you can provide a link to that upper adapter, I can tell ypu exactly what it can do.

    The upper one is this one: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter

    That adapter cannot charge the iPad. You need the newer one with the extra Lightning power input.

  • edited January 26

    @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    What is the right combination to use?

    The ipad 9th gen also came with a Lightning to USB-C cable which works for charging and IDAM when connected to the TB ports ont e MacMini. I can't use that cable and plug it into the 3.0A port of the ICA 4C can't I?

    Some iConnectivity models came with a special Lightning cable that could charge the Lightning iPad as well as providing the USB connection. This was clearly described in the documentation.

    If your iConnectivity device only has a normal USB port, you will not be able to charge the Lightning iPad with the USB connection alone. You will need the newer "USB 3.0 Camera Adapter" which has a separate Lightning charge port alongside the USB port.

    Yeah it seems like the cable came with the older version from 2014.

    I'm curious about the included USB-C to USB-A adapter of the 2021 version visible in the pic I've posted, if this thing can put through the charging power to the iPad using the single adapter, or if I need the other adapter below and connect a separate power source.

    You cannot charge a Lightning iPad from USB-C Power Delivery, or from a USB-A connector plugged into a Lightning adapter. You cannot push power "uphill", from device to host computer with any conventional USB connection; Power Delivery is a special feature of USB-C. As I already said, you need the "USB 3.0 Camera Adapter", which is the lower one in your picture, with the separate power connector.

    I don't immediately recognize the the upper adapter in your picture, or the connector in the hand (looks like USB-B printer connector). If you can provide a link to that upper adapter, I can tell ypu exactly what it can do.

    The upper one is this one: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter

    That adapter cannot charge the iPad. You need the newer one with the extra Lightning power input.

    Thanks. Do you know if an USB hub between the Lightning iPad and the 4c is possible somehow?

    Basically a setup like in the pic below, but with the 4c instead of the Mackie interface and a MacMini that's also connected to the 4c. The audio interface is plugged into the hub, and the hub into the Lightning to USB3 adapter.

  • @kirmesteggno I took that photo. It’s my old setup, and it should totally work as you describe.

  • @Carnbot said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Carnbot said:
    It's good they open sourced the iconfig software.
    I've just found this Linux and Windows app for desktop control which seems a good alternative for using the stock iconfig app, not sure of compatibility with 4C.
    https://github.com/dehnhardt/iconnconfig

    maybe there are also other versions available, not sure....

    where can i find the actual application to download? i found a zip file but no windows app?

    if you go to releases it's there under assets:
    https://github.com/dehnhardt/iconnconfig/releases

    awesome! many thanks for your help.

  • @mistercharlie said:
    @kirmesteggno I took that photo. It’s my old setup, and it should totally work as you describe.

    Wow thanks, I grabbed the image from a blog! Regarding the USB hub, are there specific features to look out for?

  • @kirmesteggno not really. The Lightning connection is usb2 on non-pro iPads, so anything will do the job. Powered is handy if you have a lot of usb-powered accessories, because the Apple dongle only powers the iPad itself.

  • @mistercharlie thanks, good to know.

  • edited February 9

    I've had a 4c for a little while now and I love it. mostly followed this guy in regards to set-up:
    https://andrewtasselmyer.substack.com/p/addendum-how-i-use-the-ipad-with?r=2chjaj&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

    it does involve having the ipad as a send/return too...and while Auracle and the port numbering are a little confusing to me, I find that if I follow thesees guys steps it's all good

    one question tho:
    how do I incorporate a Microcosm pedal into the mix as a send/return effect?

    I've used this as a guide and it seems simple enough:
    https://indietips.com/how-to-connect-hologram-electronicss-microcosm-to-ableton-live-11/

    I got the fact that I can route outputs 3&4 into the pedal and then back into the front inputs...I can then use Abletons external audio effect unit...but I cant get it working

    must be a routing thing I'm missing in Auracle?

    any help be much appreech (screenshots of settings would be very handy too)

  • i would use iconfig, so much better than Auracle

  • edited February 9

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    i would use iconfig, so much better than Auracle

    I'll give that a look

    less confusing than Auracle?

  • @nnyz said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    i would use iconfig, so much better than Auracle

    I'll give that a look

    less confusing than Auracle?

    No way, but with iConfig, at least you can finally work out what’s going on. More powerful too.

  • @senman1000 said:
    it's bad enough just one pass through the inputs but if you try and attempt to resample to outboard and back in again the noise build up is ridiculous. It's a real shame as the concept and functions are great but a huge letdown in the hardware i/o department. It's not like they are cheap interfaces either.

    this is exactly what I'm experiencing!

    I've had a 4c for a litttle overa year and I've only ever used the USC connections. It wasn't until last week trying to route a send/return with a Microcosm (which I ended up doing successfully) the noise was incredible!

    I tried a direct into a front input and had my first experience of the noisy inputs. understandable it getting worse if I'm also routing the same signal out the back and then back again, but as you said the build up of noise is ridiculous

    I know it's not ground noise as I've looked into that in the past but even a direct input with a mic is no clean signal...almost unusable...

    I'll be fine for a while as I've been using usb this long but in the future I may want to plug some hardware in and these inputs are no good

    I'm getting the impression from other comments that it's not just my unit? others, in general, experience noiisy inputs too?

    shame there's nothing else out there that does the same job

  • @senman1000 said:
    Does anyone here find the hardware inputs incredibly noisy? I'm trying to get clean signals into it but I am struggling. Can you recommend any audio interfaces that have similar specs but without noisy/hissy hardware inputs?

    did you ever find a workaround the noisy inputs?

    I find myself in the same boat

  • The noise may be related to power handling of the USB-c port.
    I have the predecessor Audio4+ (lightning) with a dedicated external PSU and it has no unusual noise figures.
    (used as a sound/fx routing processor between iPad and Pro Tools all the time)

  • @Telefunky said:
    The noise may be related to power handling of the USB-c port.
    I have the predecessor Audio4+ (lightning) with a dedicated external PSU and it has no unusual noise figures.
    (used as a sound/fx routing processor between iPad and Pro Tools all the time)

    the usb c power port does not power my ipad , I have dedicated power for that. but this noise is present without the ipad plugged in too

  • But something is plugged into (at least) one of the USB-c ports... otherwise you wouldn‘t hear anything.
    USB-c is a fairly complex plug.
    Even without providing power there may be negotiations on the port.
    (but I‘m definitely no USB-c expert)

  • @Telefunky said:
    But something is plugged into (at least) one of the USB-c ports... otherwise you wouldn‘t hear anything.
    USB-c is a fairly complex plug.
    Even without providing power there may be negotiations on the port.
    (but I‘m definitely no USB-c expert)

    well the only other usb c port is the one connected to my mac, running ableton....I might need to keep that plugged in

  • I thought it was well-known that the Audio4c has noisy preamps. On the loopy pro discord a number of people have mentioned that they use the 4c only for routing audio between the devices and use another quieter interface (set up on the Mac as an aggregate device) for I/o.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    I thought it was well-known that the Audio4c has noisy preamps. On the loopy pro discord a number of people have mentioned that they use the 4c only for routing audio between the devices and use another quieter interface (set up on the Mac as an aggregate device) for I/o.

    unfortunately i did not know that until last week...I've always used it to route audio but only just tried the inputs recently.

    bit irritated

    I see the Lewitt 6 but that has its bad sides too

  • @nnyz said:

    @senman1000 said:
    Does anyone here find the hardware inputs incredibly noisy? I'm trying to get clean signals into it but I am struggling. Can you recommend any audio interfaces that have similar specs but without noisy/hissy hardware inputs?

    did you ever find a workaround the noisy inputs?

    I find myself in the same boat

    I did not, unfortunately. I bit the bullet and invested in a decent class-compliant interface that is reliable and has clean pre's. I still use the audio 4c for linking hardware together occasionally, and as much as it does that fantastically, recording hardware synths etc is now done with my RME Fireface UCX 2.

  • @senman1000 said:

    @nnyz said:

    @senman1000 said:
    Does anyone here find the hardware inputs incredibly noisy? I'm trying to get clean signals into it but I am struggling. Can you recommend any audio interfaces that have similar specs but without noisy/hissy hardware inputs?

    did you ever find a workaround the noisy inputs?

    I find myself in the same boat

    I did not, unfortunately. I bit the bullet and invested in a decent class-compliant interface that is reliable and has clean pre's. I still use the audio 4c for linking hardware together occasionally, and as much as it does that fantastically, recording hardware synths etc is now done with my RME Fireface UCX 2.

    and does the RME do pretty much what the 4c can do?

    not that i can afford one but good to know

  • @nnyz said:

    @senman1000 said:

    @nnyz said:

    @senman1000 said:
    Does anyone here find the hardware inputs incredibly noisy? I'm trying to get clean signals into it but I am struggling. Can you recommend any audio interfaces that have similar specs but without noisy/hissy hardware inputs?

    did you ever find a workaround the noisy inputs?

    I find myself in the same boat

    I did not, unfortunately. I bit the bullet and invested in a decent class-compliant interface that is reliable and has clean pre's. I still use the audio 4c for linking hardware together occasionally, and as much as it does that fantastically, recording hardware synths etc is now done with my RME Fireface UCX 2.

    and does the RME do pretty much what the 4c can do?

    not that i can afford one but good to know

    No. I think he is saying that he uses the RME for input and output and the Audio4c for routing between devices.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    I thought it was well-known that the Audio4c has noisy preamps. On the loopy pro discord a number of people have mentioned that they use the 4c only for routing audio between the devices and use another quieter interface (set up on the Mac as an aggregate device) for I/o.

    just out of interest what other interfaces do they use? I'm kinda familiar with setting up an aggregate device before I had the 4c and was using IDAM for my Pad! never thought I'd have to do it again after buying the 4c!

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @nnyz said:

    @senman1000 said:

    @nnyz said:

    @senman1000 said:
    Does anyone here find the hardware inputs incredibly noisy? I'm trying to get clean signals into it but I am struggling. Can you recommend any audio interfaces that have similar specs but without noisy/hissy hardware inputs?

    did you ever find a workaround the noisy inputs?

    I find myself in the same boat

    I did not, unfortunately. I bit the bullet and invested in a decent class-compliant interface that is reliable and has clean pre's. I still use the audio 4c for linking hardware together occasionally, and as much as it does that fantastically, recording hardware synths etc is now done with my RME Fireface UCX 2.

    and does the RME do pretty much what the 4c can do?

    not that i can afford one but good to know

    No. I think he is saying that he uses the RME for input and output and the Audio4c for routing between devices.

    ah Right

    I read it was usb class compliant?

  • @nnyz said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    I thought it was well-known that the Audio4c has noisy preamps. On the loopy pro discord a number of people have mentioned that they use the 4c only for routing audio between the devices and use another quieter interface (set up on the Mac as an aggregate device) for I/o.

    just out of interest what other interfaces do they use? I'm kinda familiar with setting up an aggregate device before I had the 4c and was using IDAM for my Pad! never thought I'd have to do it again after buying the 4c!

    A variety of them. There are lots of interfaces with decent preamps. If you search here, you will find discussions about that. What you need depends also on what you are plugging in. A large-diaphragm condenser that needs phantom power that will be non-close mic’ing acoustic instruments needs a preamp with more gain and quieter noise floor than recording from a guitar/bass/dynamic mic.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @nnyz said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    I thought it was well-known that the Audio4c has noisy preamps. On the loopy pro discord a number of people have mentioned that they use the 4c only for routing audio between the devices and use another quieter interface (set up on the Mac as an aggregate device) for I/o.

    just out of interest what other interfaces do they use? I'm kinda familiar with setting up an aggregate device before I had the 4c and was using IDAM for my Pad! never thought I'd have to do it again after buying the 4c!

    A variety of them. There are lots of interfaces with decent preamps. If you search here, you will find discussions about that. What you need depends also on what you are plugging in. A large-diaphragm condenser that needs phantom power that will be non-close mic’ing acoustic instruments needs a preamp with more gain and quieter noise floor than recording from a guitar/bass/dynamic mic.

    true, I'll have a look into it

    I can't rely on my 4c alone anymore, shame as 4 inputs was more than enough and the usb routings amaze

  • @nnyz said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @nnyz said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    I thought it was well-known that the Audio4c has noisy preamps. On the loopy pro discord a number of people have mentioned that they use the 4c only for routing audio between the devices and use another quieter interface (set up on the Mac as an aggregate device) for I/o.

    just out of interest what other interfaces do they use? I'm kinda familiar with setting up an aggregate device before I had the 4c and was using IDAM for my Pad! never thought I'd have to do it again after buying the 4c!

    A variety of them. There are lots of interfaces with decent preamps. If you search here, you will find discussions about that. What you need depends also on what you are plugging in. A large-diaphragm condenser that needs phantom power that will be non-close mic’ing acoustic instruments needs a preamp with more gain and quieter noise floor than recording from a guitar/bass/dynamic mic.

    true, I'll have a look into it

    I can't rely on my 4c alone anymore, shame as 4 inputs was more than enough and the usb routings amaze

    Zoom, Focusrite and MOTU have relatively inexpensive interfaces with decent pre’s

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