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  • I tend to use it with AUM and then it’s like you’ve got loads of outboard synths and effects pretty much latency free in the daw of your choice on the computer. You can also easily use MIDI effects to control stuff on the computer without resorting to Bluetooth etc… I don’t use mine much anymore as I’ve switched to a push 3 / ADAT combo that kinds does the same thing, slightly less complex in some ways, slightly more in others…

  • New to the party: I have the Audio4c, and am able to get my MIDI keyboard into the iPad (Drambo specifically), and route it to my laptop (Ableton). This lets me sequence sounds from the laptop. Yay!

    I'm also able to get the laptop's audio signal back into the iPad in realtime, if I use AUM. It works exactly as expected.

    However, I'm entirely out of luck if I try to get the laptop's audio signal into Drambo instead. Does anyone have any advice?

    The laptop's audio appears as channels 5-6 on my iPad. I select a Drambo track and choose these channels as that track's audio input. But whether I use Flexi or Koala sampler within that track, no input is ever shown to them.

    Technically I'm doing the exact same steps as when using AUM, at least I think I do. What setting might I be getting wrong?
    Thanks!

  • I’m curious how the soundcard will integrate with a live stream setup;

    Using an Ampsim for playing guitar I’d want to hear the “effected” guitar with a minimum latency while I play.

    At the same time I need to send the audio through USB to another iDevice thats synchronising the stream.

    Usually when using Loopy i monotor straight from the input channel (picture).

    Is there a particular way I need to set it up with Audio 4c to hear myself playing while streaming?

  • wimwim
    edited February 3

    We had better ping @espiegel123 on this one @_smund. He may not see it since the thread isn't Loopy related. I have no experience with the 4c, so I can't begin to guess.

  • @wim said:
    We had better ping @espiegel123 on this one @_smund. He may not see it since the thread isn't Loopy related. I have no experience with the 4c, so I can't begin to guess.

    @_smund : I don’t understand the question. Loopy can send audio to any audio output s it sees and you can monitor through any outputs it sees.

    This sounds like an iconnectivity configuration question.

  • Hey @espiegel123
    I am basically wondering if it is possible to monitor the audio (guitar sim) before its sent out to another iOS devide.
    I am unsure if things take priority when sending audio to another iDevice.

    just making sure If I can play guitar while streaming. The other iDevice will be merging audio/video, and im hoping it doesent steal all the audio and I have to monitor from that side with added latency.
    Probably not but worth a check.

    Thats part one.

    A more question, I was hoping somebody with an Audio4c could chime in

    i would like to use the 6 outputs to send a mix to different bandmembers headset before it’s hits the stream aswell.

    If sending audio from one iOS device to another, do I still have access to the 6 outs Pre sending?

    Any experiences with latency?

  • edited February 4

    @_smund said:
    Hey @espiegel123
    I am basically wondering if it is possible to monitor the audio (guitar sim) before its sent out to another iOS devide.
    I am unsure if things take priority when sending audio to another iDevice.

    just making sure If I can play guitar while streaming. The other iDevice will be merging audio/video, and im hoping it doesent steal all the audio and I have to monitor from that side with added latency.
    Probably not but worth a check.

    Thats part one.

    A more question, I was hoping somebody with an Audio4c could chime in

    i would like to use the 6 outputs to send a mix to different bandmembers headset before it’s hits the stream aswell.

    If sending audio from one iOS device to another, do I still have access to the 6 outs Pre sending?

    Any experiences with latency?

    Whether you can monitor the way you want is a matter of the hardware. Loopy will let you monitor via any available output. It can be different from the main output.

    I know next to nothing about the iConnectivity

  • I have an audio4c and I am.... saddened by it. The shared midi between my iMac and iPad are great.... and the dynamically routed/allocated audio streams between the iMac and iPad are incredible. But when hooked to my iMac (primary usb-c) and iPad (usb-c #2) I experience daily intermittent blasts of godawful digital noise followed by a disconnect. This has happened with two different (first run) units on multiple electrical circuits in two different houses. They could never diagnose or fix my problem. Most people have a great experience, but there are a handful of folks that get the blasts. I feel like it must be something unique to my setup, but not sure what. Even if I only hook to my iMac it occasionally just drops signal. Inputs are NOISY, but like others say.... if you make an aggregate device of your zoom interface and the audio4c on your computer you should be fine for inputs and digitally routing audio between computer and iPad. For me though, because of the blasts and disconnects I can never use it in a live context. And honestly the blasts are so dramatic and startling that I no longer connect my iMac to the iPad. I may try again with switching the input order.... :/ I LOVE the idea of the audio4c but sadly it didn't deliver that for me. I would sell it but I also feel like maybe mine is damaged goods (although.... two units with the same problem? Must be me) and couldn't stand to sell to folks. :/ ugh

  • I had the blasts years ago with mine, I think it was a corrupted firmware update as replacing that fixed it. I do still find it a baffling device to use, even after four years of near continual use.

    Just this weekend I did a livestream with it attached to my iPad in the usual way on one USB channel, the sound piped to my iPhone on the other, which collated the four inputs from our little group of players and then sent it to YouTube.

    However, I think I messed up the mixing and ha ha I was mixed really loud while everything else was quiet. I’ll try to figure out a way to monitor, but I think I might be on a losing tip, not really because of the device, more the realities of trying to enjoy a jam while having two layers of extra tech boffining to deal with😅

    I’ve attached a grab I took off my routing for the setup in case it’s any help, I’m not sure I could answer any questions particularly helpfully though as it’s such an opaque thing to understand…

  • edited February 4

    @Krupa dude, I’m curious if you have tried setting up with Loopy Pro?

    What daw do you use when you try to monotor?
    I need to use Amp Sim on my setup so I need to monitor the channel before I send it to he other iDevice.

    If it works to monitor like that It’s pretty cool.
    Then I think you can use AUM or LP to easily mix and route monitoring

    I don’t have laptop, hope out the box settings are good for what I need to do.

    Props for making a chart! Is that what the setup software looks like?

  • @stown Hey, sell it with option to return of it poppy pops?

    Wonder if there are any other soundcards out there that can do what we wants

  • @_smund said:
    @Krupa dude, I’m curious if you have tried setting up with Loopy Pro?

    What daw do you use when you try to monotor?
    I need to use Amp Sim on my setup so I need to monitor the channel before I send it to he other iDevice.

    If it works to monitor like that It’s pretty cool.
    Then I think you can use AUM or LP to easily mix and route monitoring

    I don’t have laptop, hope out the box settings are good for what I need to do.

    Props for making a chart! Is that what the setup software looks like?

    I just used AUM as that’s what I use to have an effects channel for my guitar and record stems of the jams… I’d get into loopy pro but it’s a bit over complicated for that setting (for me anyway) and we tend to have so little sonic space left, there’d be no point in me looping anything😅

    In terms of routing the monitoring, yeah it would be simple, but then we’re in a tiny space that’s very loud and I’m generally not sure what’s going where with the ICA anyway. Even closed cup headphones would be hard pushed to mask the four amps going at it, though maybe I could turn the outputs off and try that… problem is, it’s all very distracting from the main aim, to enjoy the jam, bloody technicals be darned😂

  • @Krupa You can force it though. But don’t have to play and study at the same time, you can treat them separate a bit, as hard thing to plug on.
    It’s worked for me to sit down sometimes and admit “this is not playing, it is work, I’m gonna do 10 min of work :D

  • Got it and happy about it.
    Progress progress, but hey help! I don’t have a PC..
    Please tell me about this:

    -I can not send audio out through 3-4. If I plug out of output 3 it sends audio if I select channel 1 as out in loopy or cubasis.
    Same
    -If i plug out of channel 4 I have to select channel 2 in Loopy to hear audio.

    I’m trying to do some routing to pan drums away from guitar on my PA.

    I’m wondering if you have this experience that out 3-4 don’t work when you select them, and you have to select 1-2 to hear them?

    On page 25 of the manual it says you can configure the output sources, I guess they are all Bonked to channel 1-2 by default for some reason?
    Can anyone confirm if it is a a thing? Do I need a PC to set it up? I was hoping I could switch between some defaults on the card itself.

    Looking forward to hearing from you (:

  • @_smund said:
    Got it and happy about it.
    Progress progress, but hey help! I don’t have a PC..
    Please tell me about this:

    -I can not send audio out through 3-4. If I plug out of output 3 it sends audio if I select channel 1 as out in loopy or cubasis.
    Same
    -If i plug out of channel 4 I have to select channel 2 in Loopy to hear audio.

    I’m trying to do some routing to pan drums away from guitar on my PA.

    I’m wondering if you have this experience that out 3-4 don’t work when you select them, and you have to select 1-2 to hear them?

    On page 25 of the manual it says you can configure the output sources, I guess they are all Bonked to channel 1-2 by default for some reason?
    Can anyone confirm if it is a a thing? Do I need a PC to set it up? I was hoping I could switch between some defaults on the card itself.

    Looking forward to hearing from you (:

    Theres a reconfig app for ios.

    So you dont need a pc for the iconnfig app.

    Download app and I can screenshot my settings.

  • @sigma79 Hi there, thanx for coming back (:

    I downloaded iConfig to my iphone, but when I try to access any of the buttons [Video] it throws me out.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/_q9rBCACoCY?si=iXS48GyE3VNPchqs

    I tried the two reset options, turning the soundcard on and off, the usual suspects.
    Im on ligthning and using a camera connection kit.
    Anybody else had this problem?

  • @_smund said:
    @sigma79 Hi there, thanx for coming back (:

    I downloaded iConfig to my iphone, but when I try to access any of the buttons [Video] it throws me out.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/_q9rBCACoCY?si=iXS48GyE3VNPchqs

    I tried the two reset options, turning the soundcard on and off, the usual suspects.
    Im on ligthning and using a camera connection kit.
    Anybody else had this problem?

    Intermittently’ yes, I know that a lot of problems I had like this when I updated/reset the firmware using a laptop. Not sure that it’s possible without though…

  • edited February 15

    @_smund said:
    @sigma79 Hi there, thanx for coming back (:

    I downloaded iConfig to my iphone, but when I try to access any of the buttons [Video] it throws me out.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/_q9rBCACoCY?si=iXS48GyE3VNPchqs

    I tried the two reset options, turning the soundcard on and off, the usual suspects.
    Im on ligthning and using a camera connection kit.
    Anybody else had this problem?

    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/reconfig4audio/id1611970692 ( audio routing )

    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/reconfig/id1605377681 ( midi routing )

    Not really an expert with the device and routing ( or the setup you need ) hence uploading my settings.

    Assume loopy can reconfig audio input and output channels now.

    With 1 and 2 out on an ipad. Which is standard on all software with an output.

    You would set the input of reciever software ( other ipad ) as 5 and 6 in.

    Thats 1 stereo channel.

    With the app store app provided.

    You can then make there be 4 stereo channels or 10 mono.

    It would then be from a loopy to loopy.

    1 and 2 out > 5 and 6 in

    3 and 4 out > 7 and 8 in

    5 and 6 out > 9 and 10 in

    7 and 8 out > 11 and 12 in.

    With mono.

    Its.

    1 out > 5 in.

    2 out > 6 in.
    etc.

    I set mine to mono but then only needed one stereo output but seems with mono setup. You can still choose stereo pairs anyway.

    Now I thought I gained more outputs than advertised by a stereo pair, so thought it were the headphones but where it works for me.

    It might be something to do with direct monitoring. Which I dont even know what it means ( as a functionality )

    I guess maybe to do with the line input monitoring and not software based stuff.

    Just saying as my settings might not be for monitoring ( where I believed I gained outputs )

  • edited February 16

    I really appreciate it. I’ll have a download, i thought I had to use the iConfig app for this, maybe it will work., I only get to try in a bit.

    Do you think i should have access to all 4 analog outputs seperatly?
    My first hurdle is to choose physical output 3 and 4 to be able to send seperatly.
    They only send from channel 1 and 2 per now.

    You think a single or any instance of loopy should be able to send seperate audio from either of the 4 analog outputs in the back?
    Same situ with cubasis

  • @_smund said:
    I really appreciate it. I’ll have a download, i thought I had to use the iConfig app for this, maybe it will work. I only get to teat it in a bit.

    Do you think i should have access to all 4 analog outputs seperatly?
    My first hurdle is to choose physical output 3 and 4 to be able to send seperatly.
    They only send from channel 1 and 2 per now.

    You think a single or any instance of loopy should be able to send seperate audio from either of the 4 analog outputs in the back?
    Same situ with cubasis

    The input/output situation is probably not specific to which host you are using: Cubasis, Loopy Pro, AUM probably see all the same inputs and outputs .., as they are asking the OS what is available.

  • edited February 16

    @Krupa said:
    I tend to use it with AUM and then it’s like you’ve got loads of outboard synths and effects pretty much latency free in the daw of your choice on the computer. You can also easily use MIDI effects to control stuff on the computer without resorting to Bluetooth etc… I don’t use mine much anymore as I’ve switched to a push 3 / ADAT combo that kinds does the same thing, slightly less complex in some ways, slightly more in others…

    Can you explain how this works?
    I suppose push3 is the monitor output. But how you connect ipad with push3 adat? What kind of cable or interface? Maybe with something like Behringer ADA, or Motu Stuff... or some kind of direct connection adat to usb-c? It doesn't gives latency?

  • edited February 16

    @arnou said:

    @Krupa said:
    I tend to use it with AUM and then it’s like you’ve got loads of outboard synths and effects pretty much latency free in the daw of your choice on the computer. You can also easily use MIDI effects to control stuff on the computer without resorting to Bluetooth etc… I don’t use mine much anymore as I’ve switched to a push 3 / ADAT combo that kinds does the same thing, slightly less complex in some ways, slightly more in others…

    Can you explain how this works?
    I suppose push3 is the monitor output. But how you connect ipad with push3 adat? What kind of cable or interface? Maybe with something like Behringer ADA, RME or Motu Stuff...

    It doesn't gives latency as you convert digital to analog from ipad to Adat interface? Or you have something direct connection between ipad usb c and push 3 adat?

  • edited February 16

    As a cheap solution im thinking to connect ipad usb-c with behringer ufo interface then behringer ufo spdif out to my motu interface spdif in which connected to my pc via firewire.
    Maybe this one can works latency free? Sure it can gives some jitter and drift as i dont think you can sync the clock of the two interfaces, but maybe negligable at some shorter recordings.

  • @arnou said:

    @Krupa said:
    I tend to use it with AUM and then it’s like you’ve got loads of outboard synths and effects pretty much latency free in the daw of your choice on the computer. You can also easily use MIDI effects to control stuff on the computer without resorting to Bluetooth etc… I don’t use mine much anymore as I’ve switched to a push 3 / ADAT combo that kinds does the same thing, slightly less complex in some ways, slightly more in others…

    Can you explain how this works?
    I suppose push3 is the monitor output. But how you connect ipad with push3 adat? What kind of cable or interface? Maybe with something like Behringer ADA, or Motu Stuff... or some kind of direct connection adat to usb-c? It doesn't gives latency?

    Yep, I have a behringer umc1820 that I USB to the iPad and ADAT to the push. It’s not ideal as you need the iPad running something like AUM to map the analogue inputs and outputs to the digital ones, but once you do it regularly you get used to the offsets in channel numbers between the three systems and it becomes somewhat second nature… in terms of latency, there probably is some, I think I’m running everything at 256 frames so it’s firmly locked together, though I do occasionally still have the odd ADAT clicking glitch. As I say, not ideal, but it works.

  • Has anybody tried using 2 Audio4Cs in tandem, to connect 2 iPads to the Mac? Do you think this would work?

  • @axens said:
    Has anybody tried using 2 Audio4Cs in tandem, to connect 2 iPads to the Mac? Do you think this would work?

    No, as the 4Cs can only connect to host devices like computers, not to each other. Some of the older iConnectivity devices have three USB ports to connect to three devices though. I think the old iConnectMIDI4+ does audio passthrough between 3 computers, for example.

  • @mistercharlie said:

    @axens said:
    Has anybody tried using 2 Audio4Cs in tandem, to connect 2 iPads to the Mac? Do you think this would work?

    No, as the 4Cs can only connect to host devices like computers, not to each other. Some of the older iConnectivity devices have three USB ports to connect to three devices though. I think the old iConnectMIDI4+ does audio passthrough between 3 computers, for example.

    I was thinking of using 2 Audio4Cs as an aggregated device, which should work in theory. Just not sure if the Mac will accept 2 of those interfaces and if it would work with iconfig4audio.

  • You can definitely aggregate them, but that will add latency.

  • you should be able to do all the things you had mentioned. it will just take some routing. i’d recomend using their Auracle routing software. i used to use iconnectivity , but the. it got to be a little glitchy. emailed them, and the said to use
    Auracle to setup. I know that when i send audio from my ipad to computer and the. back to ipad. i recieve that audio back on a different sent of channels to avoid any feedback or phasing issue.
    as far as the whole band monitoring. I’d recommend getting this headphone amp( there are
    different sizes )or something similar. it will allow everybody to get hi quality audio and choose their own volume levels. https://a.co/d/jhDBheh

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