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  • edited April 2021

    @Poppadocrock said:

    @dakti said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    I have a feeling the lukewarm response would be different if ToneStack announced the price would go up to $79.99 in a week. (Or whatever the ultimate price is going to be.)

    I kind of can't believe that I'm arguing in favor of artificial scarcity in digital products, but there it is....

    I don’t know why but I feel like it will be $19.99 for the app, that’s What Kaspar and Roxsyn are at regular priced, and at least double for the IAP if not triple, so $40-$60. This is complete speculation. The way they describe the intro deal on the App Store makes me think it’s more then 1/2 price off.

    @Poppadocrock, I see in Tonestack GO that regular prices are: Motherload 1 is 59$, Motherload 2 is 20$, Motherload 3 is 20$. In total 99$. My speculation are that after current sale Tonestack PRO will up 5$ -> 15$ and "Pot o' Gold" IAP (which include all 3 IAPs content from Tonestack) will up 20$ -> 99$. We will see who will be closer ;) but I don't bet on anything, because I'm weak at that :)

    Definitely could be. The Go is the lite version, even less features then the regular ToneStack, so you have to make even more purchases to unlock everything in the Go version, compared to ToneStack 1. I guess we shall see.

    @Poppadocrock, You're right. I didn't think about that...

  • @oat_phipps said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @Ailerom said:

    @ocelot said:
    Haven't tried Zoom in years, will have to check their latest models. I used to have an obsession with ultra-low wattage tube amps, but ditched it all for NI Guitar Rig. Nice to have AU3 options on an iPhone now. Pretty amazing actually, imo.

    Same. I had a Zoom multi fx for guitar 15 or more years ago. It was the pusiest pile of pus I had ever plugged my guitar into. It was so brittle it made a fuzz pedal sound like a chorus. After many, many videos I convinced myself they might be worth a second go so I bought the A1X Four. It sounds good and does all I want for acoustic work. They've come a long way in my opinion.

    Hahaha, I totally had a Zoom 505 as my first effects unit starting out in the late 90s in jr. high. It sounded terrible. There was in particular this one sample and hold computerized effect that literally made me puke once.

    Is that the one that that had a grayish-brownish plastic enclosure? I picked up one for $2 in a thrift store about 17-18 years. And it did sound truly fucking awful. It is THE sole reason that I avoided digital emulations for years and years.

    I have the 606 one with the expression pedal, that thing is shrill as hell

  • Do we have any idea how long this introductory sale will last?

  • @oat_phipps said:

    Mine was a little later, about 2000.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2021

    After another evening playing with the full IAP I’m going to qualify my original assessment that there’s no real change in quality between the original and the new one. I think some of the amps do sound better. Could just be me, but I took a few of my least favorites (the one based on the Fender Champ for instance) and found them way, way better than I remembered.

    To be fair, I should do an A/B comparison, but TBH I don’t really care. It’s AUv3. It sounds at least as good, and there tones, tones, tones within easy reaching distance. Nothing is going to replace my other newer favorites for pure joy of playing, but for inspiration and not messing around all night piecing together all kinds of apps to get a part for a song, I know where I’m reaching. This is going to be insanely useful.

    I’m totally happy with this purchase. I don’t know for sure that I’d pay more than the current price, but I won’t regret for one second at this price.

  • @wim What's your favorite AU3 for the clean to slightly-dirty 70s Fender 6v6 tones? Fan of the Layla tone?

  • wimwim
    edited April 2021

    @ocelot said:
    @wim What's your favorite AU3 for the clean to slightly-dirty 70s Fender 6v6 tones? Fan of the Layla tone?

    Nembrini Sound Master. YMMV, but I just love that amp. It takes a little work, but I can find any but the squeaky cleanest Fender tones I want out of that one. What I like best about it is the responsiveness. I had forgotten how sloppy I've gotten with amp sims that suck the nuances right out of your playing. It took some time to adjust!

    That said, I think if anyone asked me to get close to any particular tone from the past, I'd go straight for ToneStack Pro. It's easy to get in the ballpark by picking an amp or cab modeled off of that sound, and work from there.

    BUT!! I'm not a good person to ask about guitar tone. I know what I like and don't like instantly. But I'm a terrible judge of what's "good" and how to match any given tone. :D

  • @wim said:
    I’m totally happy with this purchase. I don’t know for sure that I’d pay more than the current price, but I won’t regret for one second at this price.

    Same here. I nearly bought it a few weeks back (sale I think) but the whole motherload 1 and and 3 thing confused me again so I had second thoughts. Plus it was pretty expensive for the whole footlong. So basically, wanted to get it regardless but glad I waited, and now it's auv3. So no one will have to read my typical auv3 whining.

  • Thanks @wim. I'll check the Nembrini out. I'm really impressed with the blackface that's included for free in THU. Spent way too much time dialing-in Guitar Rig, and THU nailed the controlled low-end like a good 6L6 Fender. I just want a bit of glass in the treble like a low-wattage 6V6. Not too impressed with the $5 TSP so far, other than the unique effects. Maybe the Pot-O-Gold IAP is worth it.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2021

    @ocelot said:
    Thanks @wim. I'll check the Nembrini out. I'm really impressed with the blackface that's included for free in THU. Spent way too much time dialing-in Guitar Rig, and THU nailed the controlled low-end like a good 6L6 Fender. I just want a bit of glass in the treble like a low-wattage 6V6. Not too impressed with the $5 TSP so far, other than the unique effects. Maybe the Pot-O-Gold IAP is worth it.

    I like that blackface too. The tone gets ... “spanky”? Heh heh, I can’t think of a term for it. :D

    The Sound Master is more modern Fender vibe and has more drive. Not so much a match, but ... just ... my soul mate. The Cali Reverb is what I go to for clean. The Voice DC is pure joy for more British sounds. Those three are all I’ll ever need for pure playing pleasure. ToneStack is the workhorse for getting shit done. ;)

  • Check out his tone at 1:46 when he switches to pos 2, (in-between 'quack-tones', when bridge and middle are in parallel) - too many amp sims sound like ass in those in-between Strat positions. I think he's always preferred thick unwound strings, 2x 6L6 amps on stage, and of course his fingers. Of course. Of course.

    Anyway, yeah I agree, TSP will be great for getting shit done. Go make some music.

  • @SNystrom said:
    Why did you guys even have to purchase it to know the sound was going to be ugly? 😂

    Fair point.

  • edited April 2021

    I too have owned some Zooms over the years. I probably have a terrible guitar one buried around somewhere but also a new B1 bass multi effects that is actually quite good. You gotta love Zoom for letting us have delays and flangers and shit for really cheap. Go Zoom!.

    @SNystrom said:
    Just giving you guys shit. 🤗

    Thankfully I was too poor for stuff like that. I ended-up with a DOD guitar equalizer and this bad boy:

    Muff Fuzz?? 😍
    Here’s mine, I’m so glad I never sold it. Bought it ages ago because it was the one Smashing Pumpkins used. I could never get it to sit well in a band scenario, it’d drown and wouldn’t cut through. I couldn’t hear myself singing either, stupid-loud that was. I picked it up again for my last project where I play a cgb guitar and it’s killer. It’s also the most beautiful pedal, and it’s big so you really kick at it. ❤️. Beside it is a Mammoth clone, very good.

    BTW Just these past days I was thinking I’m gonna name my new “band” (just me...☹️) The Mig Buff. What do you think?. Auditions are open... 🤘

  • Let’s get back on track here... ToneStack... I like it.
    Bought it since I don’t trust your opinions anyway 😜
    I won’t comment on how exact the amp sims are at capturing the original. I haven’t played 60 different amps and I was drunk anyway. I can say that they sound good enough and there’s loads of options. I’m using this to make songs on an iPad, I don’t care how exact of a replica it is, I leave that to the pros.

    Nembrinis do sound better IMO.Where ToneStack shines is in the effects selection and how easy it is to get a big sound going, with presets and stuff.
    Good selection of fuzzes. Blue FURR kicks ass!. It’s killer. You need to try it out.
    Octavers are good, and you got a Polyphonic POG emulation!.
    The big red reverb is surprisingly good.
    You got some unique effects that are worth the purchase. The Trip Delay is great and the Duplicator is superb, it’s makes things bigger and stereo. That’s expensive!.

    I’d like to hear your favorite effects so I can try them out.
    My choices:
    1- Blue FURR
    2- Duplicator

  • Sorry if I’m repeating stuff but a bit confused - I had tonestack motherlode and saw someone saying the pro app was £5 so that those who had bought motherlode etc before could get everythung cheap with the new one.

    I just bought pro but it says you need to buy for 20 the iap pot of\r gold which I’m assuming is the motherlode equivalent.

    Could someone tell me if I can transfer the all in motherlode thing or if it’s wanting me to pay another 20? If the letters the case I’ll just get a refund.

    Appreciate any help.

  • @wingwizard said:
    Sorry if I’m repeating stuff but a bit confused - I had tonestack motherlode and saw someone saying the pro app was £5 so that those who had bought motherlode etc before could get everythung cheap with the new one.

    I just bought pro but it says you need to buy for 20 the iap pot of\r gold which I’m assuming is the motherlode equivalent.

    Could someone tell me if I can transfer the all in motherlode thing or if it’s wanting me to pay another 20? If the letters the case I’ll just get a refund.

    Appreciate any help.

    'fraid not, see this post. Yonac had hoped to do it, but was not possible with AppStore restrictions. The current price is meant to be a big discount. The big plus of the new app is that it's AUv3.

  • edited April 2021

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @ashh said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @TheOriginalPaulB said:

    @bobbyj8866 said:
    I sunk a lot of money in Tonestack back in the day. It did not age well. Hopefully Yonac will want to do something to keep or in fact get back their old customers, so I would expect a steep discount.

    Because as it stands now, Nembrini and THU get my money due to just how good they sound and work.

    That said, ToneStack Pro is going have to be _really _ good and have something that the others don't, for me to even be interested. Yawn. (buys another THU rig library that sounds awesome)

    Nobody cares.

    Ouch. I don't think he's too far off the mark here.

    That anyone who may have spent some money years ago on an old thing should get a huge discount on a new thing?

    While I don't agree with his POV on that point, I thought it was harsh to say "who cares" to what he says on a forum that is designed to foster different opinions and discussion. While I might not agree on that one point, I do care enough to read what he wrote. And I think his observation about Tonestack being a bit behind the times does seem right to me. Anyway, "who cares" seems harsh by AB Forum standards. Two cents and not a farthing more.

    'Nobody cares... about this app any longer' could be the point that was being made, rather than nobody caring about that poster's opinion? As you pointed out, we all care about other ABF forum member's takes on iOS music app things to a certain extent, or we wouldn't be here.

    Anyway, I'm not sure why you replied to me to tell me that you thought that the person who had been replied to was being unfairly maligned?

    Finally, would Yonac not have simply been the first to market rather than actually cornering it and isn't it up to Yonac what they do and when they do it, or am I missing something?

  • @wim said:

    @ocelot said:
    Thanks @wim. I'll check the Nembrini out. I'm really impressed with the blackface that's included for free in THU. Spent way too much time dialing-in Guitar Rig, and THU nailed the controlled low-end like a good 6L6 Fender. I just want a bit of glass in the treble like a low-wattage 6V6. Not too impressed with the $5 TSP so far, other than the unique effects. Maybe the Pot-O-Gold IAP is worth it.

    I like that blackface too. The tone gets ... “spanky”? Heh heh, I can’t think of a term for it. :D

    The Sound Master is more modern Fender vibe and has more drive. Not so much a match, but ... just ... my soul mate. The Cali Reverb is what I go to for clean. The Voice DC is pure joy for more British sounds. Those three are all I’ll ever need for pure playing pleasure. ToneStack is the workhorse for getting shit done. ;)

    Yes, Nembrini’s Voice DC is terrific. For just breaking up, start with the preset “LP Almost Clean” and adjust to taste. Also, you must try Gain Stage Vintage Clean. Inexpensive and worth way more than it costs.

  • @uncledave said:

    @wingwizard said:
    Sorry if I’m repeating stuff but a bit confused - I had tonestack motherlode and saw someone saying the pro app was £5 so that those who had bought motherlode etc before could get everythung cheap with the new one.

    I just bought pro but it says you need to buy for 20 the iap pot of\r gold which I’m assuming is the motherlode equivalent.

    Could someone tell me if I can transfer the all in motherlode thing or if it’s wanting me to pay another 20? If the letters the case I’ll just get a refund.

    Appreciate any help.

    'fraid not, see this post. Yonac had hoped to do it, but was not possible with AppStore restrictions. The current price is meant to be a big discount. The big plus of the new app is that it's AUv3.

    Thanks for the info. Will refund. Was misled by someone. Ah well.

  • I like the fuzz with the gain dialed back, the tape echo, and the auto wah. The beauty of TS is how fast you can dial in something cool. Here, I plugged in my acoustic with LR Baggs anthem pickup and just played. Obviously some slop in the playing but I was listening for how the fuzz reacted to dynamics. Not bad at all.

  • @dakti said:

    @Poppadocrock said:

    @dakti said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    I have a feeling the lukewarm response would be different if ToneStack announced the price would go up to $79.99 in a week. (Or whatever the ultimate price is going to be.)

    I kind of can't believe that I'm arguing in favor of artificial scarcity in digital products, but there it is....

    I don’t know why but I feel like it will be $19.99 for the app, that’s What Kaspar and Roxsyn are at regular priced, and at least double for the IAP if not triple, so $40-$60. This is complete speculation. The way they describe the intro deal on the App Store makes me think it’s more then 1/2 price off.

    @Poppadocrock, I see in Tonestack GO that regular prices are: Motherload 1 is 59$, Motherload 2 is 20$, Motherload 3 is 20$. In total 99$. My speculation are that after current sale Tonestack PRO will up 5$ -> 15$ and "Pot o' Gold" IAP (which include all 3 IAPs content from Tonestack) will up 20$ -> 99$. We will see who will be closer ;) but I don't bet on anything, because I'm weak at that :)

    Definitely could be. The Go is the lite version, even less features then the regular ToneStack, so you have to make even more purchases to unlock everything in the Go version, compared to ToneStack 1. I guess we shall see.

    @Poppadocrock, You're right. I didn't think about that...

    No worries, we’re both just speculating. Cheers man!

  • edited April 2021

    Does anyone have a list of what 10 amps, 10 cabs, 30 fx, come with the pro app? I’m guessing a lot of the usual suspects but I’m having trouble finding a list of what comes with the app, and what comes in the IAP? Anyone see a list anywhere?

    Maybe someone could do a few screenshots or something, since it be a decent amount to type out... Any takers?

  • A full list of bundled and IAP content is on the Yonac website:
    http://www.yonac.com/tonestackpro/gear.html

  • Anyone know if IR loader is planned to implement in future updates? @Jessie?

  • @wingwizard said:
    Sorry if I’m repeating stuff but a bit confused - I had tonestack motherlode and saw someone saying the pro app was £5 so that those who had bought motherlode etc before could get everythung cheap with the new one.

    I just bought pro but it says you need to buy for 20 the iap pot of\r gold which I’m assuming is the motherlode equivalent.

    Could someone tell me if I can transfer the all in motherlode thing or if it’s wanting me to pay another 20? If the letters the case I’ll just get a refund.

    Appreciate any help.

    I think it was mentioned in this forum, that you would be able to transfer IAP’s. I think there was a tweet or a message from Yonac, that was shared, and it stated that you will be able transfer IAP, but it didn’t say when. Maybe the IAP migration will be available once the intro sale is over. Pure speculation on this part but to me it feels like the pot o gold IAP will not stay, I think that’s a promotional thing. Once the intro sale is over it will probably break down into multiple packs, single fix, one everything pack, etc... again I have 0 evidence to support this, other then Yonac apps, and App Store description.

  • @uncledave said:

    @wingwizard said:
    Sorry if I’m repeating stuff but a bit confused - I had tonestack motherlode and saw someone saying the pro app was £5 so that those who had bought motherlode etc before could get everythung cheap with the new one.

    I just bought pro but it says you need to buy for 20 the iap pot of\r gold which I’m assuming is the motherlode equivalent.

    Could someone tell me if I can transfer the all in motherlode thing or if it’s wanting me to pay another 20? If the letters the case I’ll just get a refund.

    Appreciate any help.

    'fraid not, see this post. Yonac had hoped to do it, but was not possible with AppStore restrictions. The current price is meant to be a big discount. The big plus of the new app is that it's AUv3.

    Nevermind. I just saw this post. Sorry bout that.

  • edited April 2021

    @uncledave said:

    @wingwizard said:
    Sorry if I’m repeating stuff but a bit confused - I had tonestack motherlode and saw someone saying the pro app was £5 so that those who had bought motherlode etc before could get everythung cheap with the new one.

    I just bought pro but it says you need to buy for 20 the iap pot of\r gold which I’m assuming is the motherlode equivalent.

    Could someone tell me if I can transfer the all in motherlode thing or if it’s wanting me to pay another 20? If the letters the case I’ll just get a refund.

    Appreciate any help.

    'fraid not, see this post. Yonac had hoped to do it, but was not possible with AppStore restrictions. The current price is meant to be a big discount. The big plus of the new app is that it's AUv3.

    Incidentally, transferring custom presets from Tonestack 3 to Tonestack Pro is trivially easy.

    Export a preset or a folder full of presets (to your hard drive or even email it to yourself), then open with Tonestack Pro. Easy. Took me 2 minutes.

  • edited April 2021

    @NeuM said:

    @uncledave said:

    @wingwizard said:
    Sorry if I’m repeating stuff but a bit confused - I had tonestack motherlode and saw someone saying the pro app was £5 so that those who had bought motherlode etc before could get everythung cheap with the new one.

    I just bought pro but it says you need to buy for 20 the iap pot of\r gold which I’m assuming is the motherlode equivalent.

    Could someone tell me if I can transfer the all in motherlode thing or if it’s wanting me to pay another 20? If the letters the case I’ll just get a refund.

    Appreciate any help.

    'fraid not, see this post. Yonac had hoped to do it, but was not possible with AppStore restrictions. The current price is meant to be a big discount. The big plus of the new app is that it's AUv3.

    Incidentally, transferring custom presets from Tonestack 3 to Tonestack Pro is trivially easy.

    Export a preset or a folder full of presets (to your hard drive or even email it to yourself), then open with Tonestack Pro. Easy. Took me 2 minutes.

    I miss one thing in Tonestock / Tonestack PRO. It would be great if we could exchange our own settings between each other directly from the app (like in Jamup or Bias FX). Unfortunately from what Jessie answered it is not so easy to implement. There is probably no dedicated place on the web also, where Tonestack users could upload their settings in order to exchange with each other.

  • I got the $5 version to see if the iTune Library import is included and IT IS. This is worth $5 t be able to import an iTunes file, an audio file or audio in the "clipboard" which is the added to the apps TapeDeck for "jam along practice". The optional 8-track recorded is NOT required to play along or record a mixed of backing track and performance. The first 2 tracks of the optional 8-track recorder are free.

    So, I think I'll be good with the $5 purchase to have a single interface for selecting backing tracks and playing along or recording for review of my progress overtime.

    It exports recorded tracks to file, email or AudioCopy (i.e. ClipBoard). AudioShare calls the clipboard the "General Pasteboard" using the Floppy disk icon.

  • I’m going to pass on this one because I don’t use auv3 really on iOS and I really like amplitube for bass when I have the occasion to use it on iOS. But I do wish Yonac the best with it. I did use tonestack on some bass gigs and the band was very happy with the sound. I stopped using iOS for bass sounds live because I couldn’t get an interface that wouldn’t make noise when connected to a PA while being able to charge. I keep putting an irig hd2 in my cart at ik’s site and other places, but never seem to pull the trigger.

    But, since my beloved headphone Jack equipped 6s bit the dust while I was changing the battery, I can’t use my iPhone to learn songs at a gig anymore using my focusrite itrack pocket. Now that I just got a 12 mini, maybe I’ll get that hd2 soon. Enough rambling from me...

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