The Nightmare that is a Reality

NeuM

@espiegel123 said:

@dendy said:

@ervin said:
The British Society for Immunology may not be a worthy opponent to scientific MAGAism, and is certainly no match for just stating things in all caps on this forum, but for what it's worth, they think vaccine-induced immunity is more effective and longer lasting for most peple than the "get COVID and survive it" version.

some people arr not interested in facts, i think it makes not sense to try to convice them.. one my friend is saying "it's good at the end, more antivaxers, less antivaxers".. natural selection will do the job for us 🤣😂

Unfortunately, the willfully-non-vaxxed spread the virus to the vaccinated and those that can't be vaccinated. Pediatric hospitals in some states in the U.S. have reached their capacity. And that affects their ability to treat patients.

One of the big lies is that the decision is merely personal... with no regard to the impact on others. The choices we make for ourselves affect others.

The virus isn’t inherently political. Both vaccinated AND unvaccinated spread COVID. At best, vaccination helps speed recovery. People who are at too great a risk may still perish regardless of vaccination status. This common sense conclusion is supported by real stats about who are still dying.

NeuM

@drcongo said:
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.

Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.

That’s just not true. The “current wisdom” says even vaccinated can be carriers and spread COVID to others.

drcongo

Yes, they can. But not all of them, and not as easily. Hence the word “largely” in my post, which you missed / ignored.

espiegel123

@NeuM said:

The virus isn’t inherently political.

True -- and totally a waste of words -- because that goes without saying and no one has said otherwise.

Both vaccinated AND unvaccinated spread COVID.

The SCALE however is radically different. Vaccinated and unvaccinated are not equally likely to become infected and spread it.

At best, vaccination helps speed recovery.

This is wrong and misleading. Being vaccinated RADICALLY alters the likelihood of severe illness or death if one becomes infected. It reduces the likelihood of being infected. It reduces the period during which an infected person is contagious (which means that vaccinated people even if infected are less effective spreaders of the disease than the unvaccinated.

People who are at too great a risk may still perish regardless of vaccination status. This common sense conclusion is supported by real stats about who are still dying.

Totally irrelevant to the conversation.

ALSO, just a reminder that death is not the only serious adverse consequence about which we should be concerned.

Gravitas

@NeuM said:

@drcongo said:
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.

Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.

That’s just not true. The “current wisdom” says even vaccinated can be carriers and spread COVID to others.

Agreed.

This has been proven here in the UK.
The current ,’vaccines’, are ineffective in regards to the Delta variant
and even before the delta variant was discovered there had been reports
of people who had received the vaccine and succumbed to the virus.
I personally know of three people who have had the vaccine and have been ill
with mild to severe coronavirus.

Right now a lot of people are asymptomatic and/or virulent and combined
with the Lockdowns which have damage the health of many people we are
looking at a very serious long term problem, for instance the U.K government
put out a contract a couple months ago asking for a company to provide
for excess deaths here in London covering the next four years.
Our city is designed to cope with ,’normal’, life and death for 15 million people.
For the government to prepare for a situation where the mortuaries
here in London cannot cope is a worrying situation.

espiegel123

@Gravitas said:

@NeuM said:

@drcongo said:
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.

Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.

That’s just not true. The “current wisdom” says even vaccinated can be carriers and spread COVID to others.

Agreed.

This has been proven here in the UK.
The current ,’vaccines’, are ineffective in regards to the Delta variant
and even before the delta variant was discovered there had been reports
of people who had received the vaccine and succumbed to the virus.
I personally know of three people who have had the vaccine and have been ill
with mild to severe coronavirus.

Right now a lot of people are asymptomatic and virulent and combined with the
Lockdown which has damage the health of many people we are looking
at a very serious long term problem, for instance the U.K government
put out a contract a couple months ago asking for a company to provide
for excess deaths here in London covering the next four years.
Our city is designed to cope with ,’normal’, life and death for 15 million people.
For the government to prepare for a situation where the mortuaries
here in London cannot cope is a worrying situation.

I haven't followed Astrozeneca, but the Pfizer and Moderna doses are effective in reducing the severity of illness of the Delta variant. In most states the overwhelming number of hospitalizations and deaths in the past few months have been unvaccinated people in the U.S. In some states, something on the order of 99.5% of the deaths in the last few months are people that haven't been vaccinated.

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine has also been very effective at reducing the likelihood of severe illness and death BUT is much less effective than Pfizer or Moderna.

But the vaccine (as I have mentioned earlier) is not sufficient. Many people have stopped masking which means that when someone becomes infected they are highly likely to spread it.

richardyot

Even against the delta variant the vaccines make a significant difference. In latest wave in the UK (driven by delta) deaths and serious illness were exponentially lower than in previous waves, thanks to the vaccine. To claim the vaccines are ineffective against delta is just plain wrong.

AlmostAnonymous

@espiegel123 said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:
Of the 20+ people I know that caught it, all of them got it within the past 3 months, and all but 1 were fully vaxed. (1 non vaxed - not even original shot).
(all of them were also pfizer. no modernas if that means anything for the tally takers)
Time to have your own coping mechanisms in place cause its not going anywhere and you're not changing those other peoples minds.

Were they symptomatic?

Did any of them end up in the hospital?

As public health experts and epidemiologists have said since the beginning, vaccination is important but not sufficient for minimizing the virus' impact. Even to the degree that some vaccinated people become infected, the amount of protection that it offers is huge.

The overwhelming majority of hospitalizations and deaths since the vaccine became widely available have been among those that are unvaccinated.

All of them had symptoms. 3 ended up in the hospital. Those 3 were all vaxxed and under 40 years of age.
The unvaxxed one was 69 (my mom) and SHOULD have gone to the ICU, but some people pray the ick away. Which is weird, because she was a respitory therapist before she retired.

Personally I'm over all of it. People are gonna do whatever they want. This isnt limited to vaxxing either.
Political beliefs, social battles, Don Lemon foaming at the mouth over everything, "Muh Freedoms" peoples......

Sounds awful, but f*ck you. Not my battle. Leave me out of it.

[Deleted User]

@drcongo said:
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.

Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.

I wasn't saying don't get vaccinated. More about the ignoring of other areas of prevention. i understand the obligation to the community, and how it has to be balanced with the obligation to self. I have recently become eligible for vaccination here in NZ, which due to a number of factors (small Island nation, effective government, not so polarised population) has been living almost entirely normally since june 2020, with no community cases where I live, and a few short term outbreaks elsewhere that were quite quickly squashed. Now we have a growing delta outbreak, not where I live, and are in a hopefully short term nationwide lockdown. And I have to weigh up what I should do. I'll probably get vaccinated. I don't think its without risk (about 1 in 44,000 of heart inflammation, some of which was serious, but the full figures are not available)

My obligation to the community makes me look seriously at the evidence that Ivermectin appears to help, which your second paragraph rejects, without any pertinent data being stated. There is some pertinent data, it does go both ways. That snarky article you linked doesn't deal with any of that serious discussion though. it's the same kind of thing as a Fox story, just in the other direction.

Gravitas

@espiegel123 said:

@Gravitas said:

@NeuM said:

@drcongo said:
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.

Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.

That’s just not true. The “current wisdom” says even vaccinated can be carriers and spread COVID to others.

Agreed.

This has been proven here in the UK.
The current ,’vaccines’, are ineffective in regards to the Delta variant
and even before the delta variant was discovered there had been reports
of people who had received the vaccine and succumbed to the virus.
I personally know of three people who have had the vaccine and have been ill
with mild to severe coronavirus.

Right now a lot of people are asymptomatic and virulent and combined with the
Lockdown which has damage the health of many people we are looking
at a very serious long term problem, for instance the U.K government
put out a contract a couple months ago asking for a company to provide
for excess deaths here in London covering the next four years.
Our city is designed to cope with ,’normal’, life and death for 15 million people.
For the government to prepare for a situation where the mortuaries
here in London cannot cope is a worrying situation.

I haven't followed Astrozeneca, but the Pfizer and Moderna doses are effective in reducing the severity of illness of the Delta variant. In most states the overwhelming number of hospitalizations and deaths in the past few months have been unvaccinated people in the U.S. In some states, something on the order of 99.5% of the deaths in the last few months are people that haven't been vaccinated.

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine has also been very effective at reducing the likelihood of severe illness and death BUT is much less effective than Pfizer or Moderna.

But the vaccine (as I have mentioned earlier) is not sufficient. Many people have stopped masking which means that when someone becomes infected they are highly likely to spread it.

We have all four vaccines here in the U.K.

I mentioned three people I know personally that have had vaccines?
Two had had the Pfizer vaccine and the other had the AstraZeneca.
Yes, double shots.

The Pfizer vaccine is the one giving the most problems here in the U.K.
Moderna is the one giving the least.

The government tender is also legit.

Here’s the link.

https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/013120-2021?origin=SearchResults&p=1&fbclid=IwAR34Q69IpVbrTIrTIwoxDXeYCd5LsZDBjti311LoOt5KrHKSivtkjFO_IiI

Cases have been steadily rising since June.
Both the P.M and his new Health Secretary had to self isolate because
they were exhibiting mild symptoms of the coronavirus.
Bear in mind that the P.M also had full blown coronavirus at
the beginning of the first Lockdown here in the U.K before any vaccines were available.
By Winter our health service is predicted to be overwhelmed by the amount of cases.
People have stopped being concerned with washing their hands, basic hygiene,
covering their faces when they sneeze or cough etc, etc.
People are trying to return to ,’normal’, and their normal is spreading the virus
at a frightening rate.

richardyot

The PM came into contact with someone who tested positive, and was asked to self-isolate but that doesn’t mean Boris had symptoms.

espiegel123

@Gravitas said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gravitas said:

@NeuM said:

@drcongo said:
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.

Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.

That’s just not true. The “current wisdom” says even vaccinated can be carriers and spread COVID to others.

Agreed.

This has been proven here in the UK.
The current ,’vaccines’, are ineffective in regards to the Delta variant
and even before the delta variant was discovered there had been reports
of people who had received the vaccine and succumbed to the virus.
I personally know of three people who have had the vaccine and have been ill
with mild to severe coronavirus.

Right now a lot of people are asymptomatic and virulent and combined with the
Lockdown which has damage the health of many people we are looking
at a very serious long term problem, for instance the U.K government
put out a contract a couple months ago asking for a company to provide
for excess deaths here in London covering the next four years.
Our city is designed to cope with ,’normal’, life and death for 15 million people.
For the government to prepare for a situation where the mortuaries
here in London cannot cope is a worrying situation.

I haven't followed Astrozeneca, but the Pfizer and Moderna doses are effective in reducing the severity of illness of the Delta variant. In most states the overwhelming number of hospitalizations and deaths in the past few months have been unvaccinated people in the U.S. In some states, something on the order of 99.5% of the deaths in the last few months are people that haven't been vaccinated.

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine has also been very effective at reducing the likelihood of severe illness and death BUT is much less effective than Pfizer or Moderna.

But the vaccine (as I have mentioned earlier) is not sufficient. Many people have stopped masking which means that when someone becomes infected they are highly likely to spread it.

We have all four vaccines here in the U.K.

I mentioned three people I know personally that have had vaccines?
Two had had the Pfizer vaccine and the other had the AstraZeneca.
Yes, double shots.

The Pfizer vaccine is the one giving the most problems here in the U.K.
Moderna is the one giving the least.

The government tender is also legit.

Here’s the link.

https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/013120-2021?origin=SearchResults&p=1&fbclid=IwAR34Q69IpVbrTIrTIwoxDXeYCd5LsZDBjti311LoOt5KrHKSivtkjFO_IiI

Cases have been steadily rising since June.
Both the P.M and his new Health Secretary had to self isolate because
they were exhibiting mild symptoms of the coronavirus.
Bear in mind that the P.M also had full blown coronavirus at
the beginning of the first Lockdown here in the U.K before any vaccines were available.
By Winter our health service is predicted to be overwhelmed by the amount of cases.
People have stopped being concerned with washing their hands, basic hygiene,
covering their faces when they sneeze or cough etc, etc.
People are trying to return to ,’normal’, and their normal is spreading the virus
at a frightening rate.

None of what you have posted means the vaccines are ineffective. You have to compare the outcomes on large-scale to what would have been the outcome if people hadn't been vaccinated. The hospitaliztion rates and death figures are radically better among those that are vaccinated. Not perfect but radically different than if people had not been vaccinated.

Gravitas

@richardyot said:
Even against the delta variant the vaccines make a significant difference. In latest wave in the UK (driven by delta) deaths and serious illness were exponentially lower than in previous waves, thanks to the vaccine. To claim the vaccines are ineffective against delta is just plain wrong.

Thanks for the update.
I switched off the U.K news.
It’s pointless following it when a corrupt government is laying down the rules.

Gravitas

@espiegel123 said:

@Gravitas said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gravitas said:

@NeuM said:

@drcongo said:
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.

Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.

That’s just not true. The “current wisdom” says even vaccinated can be carriers and spread COVID to others.

Agreed.

This has been proven here in the UK.
The current ,’vaccines’, are ineffective in regards to the Delta variant
and even before the delta variant was discovered there had been reports
of people who had received the vaccine and succumbed to the virus.
I personally know of three people who have had the vaccine and have been ill
with mild to severe coronavirus.

Right now a lot of people are asymptomatic and virulent and combined with the
Lockdown which has damage the health of many people we are looking
at a very serious long term problem, for instance the U.K government
put out a contract a couple months ago asking for a company to provide
for excess deaths here in London covering the next four years.
Our city is designed to cope with ,’normal’, life and death for 15 million people.
For the government to prepare for a situation where the mortuaries
here in London cannot cope is a worrying situation.

I haven't followed Astrozeneca, but the Pfizer and Moderna doses are effective in reducing the severity of illness of the Delta variant. In most states the overwhelming number of hospitalizations and deaths in the past few months have been unvaccinated people in the U.S. In some states, something on the order of 99.5% of the deaths in the last few months are people that haven't been vaccinated.

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine has also been very effective at reducing the likelihood of severe illness and death BUT is much less effective than Pfizer or Moderna.

But the vaccine (as I have mentioned earlier) is not sufficient. Many people have stopped masking which means that when someone becomes infected they are highly likely to spread it.

We have all four vaccines here in the U.K.

I mentioned three people I know personally that have had vaccines?
Two had had the Pfizer vaccine and the other had the AstraZeneca.
Yes, double shots.

The Pfizer vaccine is the one giving the most problems here in the U.K.
Moderna is the one giving the least.

The government tender is also legit.

Here’s the link.

https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/013120-2021?origin=SearchResults&p=1&fbclid=IwAR34Q69IpVbrTIrTIwoxDXeYCd5LsZDBjti311LoOt5KrHKSivtkjFO_IiI

Cases have been steadily rising since June.
Both the P.M and his new Health Secretary had to self isolate because
they were exhibiting mild symptoms of the coronavirus.
Bear in mind that the P.M also had full blown coronavirus at
the beginning of the first Lockdown here in the U.K before any vaccines were available.
By Winter our health service is predicted to be overwhelmed by the amount of cases.
People have stopped being concerned with washing their hands, basic hygiene,
covering their faces when they sneeze or cough etc, etc.
People are trying to return to ,’normal’, and their normal is spreading the virus
at a frightening rate.

None of what you have posted means the vaccines are ineffective. You have to compare the outcomes on large-scale to what would have been the outcome if people hadn't been vaccinated. The hospitaliztion rates and death figures are radically better among those that are vaccinated. Not perfect but radically different than if people had not been vaccinated.

My apologies.
I keep forgetting sometimes that I’m typing not actually
speaking were tone and nuance comes across more.

I’m in support of vaccines let me make that clear.
The vaccines are not totally ineffective against the coronavirus.
It is ineffective for some.
Which is actually normal.

charalew

The vaccines work but no vaccine is 100% effective. Most people injured or killed in car accidents were wearing seat belts but that doesn't mean seat belts are ineffective, it just means most people wear seat belts. It's basic statistics - this explains it superbly

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct2dkb

Michael

Holiday time – I'm just going to give everyone a rest for a day or so, and close this thread off for 24 hours. This all sounds rather exhausting! I'll open it up again tomorrow.

Simon

"Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

LinearLineman

Pregnant nurse, 32, unvaccinated, dies of Covid in Alabama. To be fair, she was worried about anaphylactic reaction, having had one prior. However, I am sure, if she could do it over she would vax. If you say... well, it’s an outlier.... there can’t be 620,000+ outliers in the US with over 1100 dead and 174,000 cases added Monday.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pregnant-nurse-baby-die-covid-b1908646.html

I truly doubt this would have happened if unvaccinated folks respected the rights of their neighbors and thought about the health of the community,

Biden is cutting Medicare benefits to nursing homes that don’t mandate. How bout the unvaccinated pay a premium for their health insurance (I think that’s actually being done now).How bout Medicare doesn't pay for unvaccinated Covid hospitalizations. Military now mandated. Previously they must agree to a raft of vaccinations. No one protests those. What’s different about this one?

The unvaccinated mostly all agree they can’t avoid getting a driver’s license to drive and must obey traffic rules to keep it. This is for the protection of others against reckless drivers. Most rationals don’t argue it’s a violation of their “freedoms”. If they want to drive into a brick wall and kill themselves that’s their business. But they have no right to mow others, including their own kids, down.

Simon

@LinearLineman said:
Military now mandated. Previously they must agree to a raft of vaccinations. No one protests those. What’s different about >this one?

One word: "experimental".

It is an emotional word that creates fear and the anti-vaxxers love to use it. After all, who wants to be injected with an "experimental" drug?

With the millions of people who have had the vax I'd hardly call it experimental. New, yes. Untested over years, yes. But that is the nature of a new drug created to combat a new virus. The virus is new, so anything created to fight it will also be new.

It will be interesting to see how the insurance companies factor in vaxxd or unvaxxed customers. Are you a greater insurance risk if you are unvaxxed? It is like smokers or drinkers are theoretically greater risks.

NeuM

@LinearLineman said:
Pregnant nurse, 32, unvaccinated, dies of Covid in Alabama. To be fair, she was worried about anaphylactic reaction, having had one prior. However, I am sure, if she could do it over she would vax. If you say... well, it’s an outlier.... there can’t be 620,000+ outliers in the US with over 1100 dead and 174,000 cases added Monday.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pregnant-nurse-baby-die-covid-b1908646.html

I truly doubt this would have happened if unvaccinated folks respected the rights of their neighbors and thought about the health of the community,

Biden is cutting Medicare benefits to nursing homes that don’t mandate. How bout the unvaccinated pay a premium for their health insurance (I think that’s actually being done now).How bout Medicare doesn't pay for unvaccinated Covid hospitalizations. Military now mandated. Previously they must agree to a raft of vaccinations. No one protests those. What’s different about this one?

The unvaccinated mostly all agree they can’t avoid getting a driver’s license to drive and must obey traffic rules to keep it. This is for the protection of others against reckless drivers. Most rationals don’t argue it’s a violation of their “freedoms”. If they want to drive into a brick wall and kill themselves that’s their business. But they have no right to mow others, including their own kids, down.

I’m already paying almost triple for insurance what I used to pay before the ACA went into effect and I’m getting less for it. Everything government touches becomes political and the quality goes down and the costs go up. No sale for me.

knewspeak

@Simon said:
"Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

AudioGus

Lol, what would I do without my daily reminder that reality is a now a nightmare?

knewspeak

Eddie Holmes does fleetingly mention the worst case scenario, but makes no mention as to the likelihood of cross species transmission, this could be the worst case.

AlmostAnonymous

@AudioGus said:
Lol, what would I do without my daily reminder that reality is a now a nightmare?

Reality is fine. Its only a nightmare if its not going your way.

AudioGus

@AlmostAnonymous said:

@AudioGus said:
Lol, what would I do without my daily reminder that reality is a now a nightmare?

Reality is fine. Its only a nightmare if its not going your way.

Simon

@AudioGus said:
Lol, what would I do without my daily reminder that reality is a now a nightmare?

This thread is almost as persistent as the virus :-)

espiegel123

@knewspeak said:

@Simon said:
"Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

AlmostAnonymous

@AudioGus said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:

@AudioGus said:
Lol, what would I do without my daily reminder that reality is a now a nightmare?

Reality is fine. Its only a nightmare if its not going your way.

If you move far far away from the shit that bothers you, reality is quite nice.

AudioGus

@AlmostAnonymous said:

@AudioGus said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:

@AudioGus said:
Lol, what would I do without my daily reminder that reality is a now a nightmare?

Reality is fine. Its only a nightmare if its not going your way.

>

If you move far far away from the shit that bothers you, reality is quite nice.

You can only unsubscribe from categories and not individual threads.

AlmostAnonymous

True. Ive tried, but alas you cant.
So i just stop going into those "omg the mpc live is so awesome" threads.