The Nightmare that is a Reality

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CRAKROX

@Gravitas said:

@CRAKROX said:

@Gravitas said:

@NeuM said:

@drcongo said:
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.

Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.

That’s just not true. The “current wisdom” says even vaccinated can be carriers and spread COVID to others.

Agreed.

This has been proven here in the UK.
The current ,’vaccines’, are ineffective in regards to the Delta variant
and even before the delta variant was discovered there had been reports
of people who had received the vaccine and succumbed to the virus.
I personally know of three people who have had the vaccine and have been ill
with mild to severe coronavirus.

Right now a lot of people are asymptomatic and/or virulent and combined
with the Lockdowns which have damage the health of many people we are
looking at a very serious long term problem, for instance the U.K government
put out a contract a couple months ago asking for a company to provide
for excess deaths here in London covering the next four years.
Our city is designed to cope with ,’normal’, life and death for 15 million people.
For the government to prepare for a situation where the mortuaries
here in London cannot cope is a worrying situation.

This was just to replace a standing conteacr

@NeuM said:

@supadom said:

@Simon said:

@supadom said:
True. It’s a choice to play the lottery between no Covid, Covid and long Covid.

You left out "death" :-)

I guess the other aspect of this is that it might be ok for you to play the lottery with your own health, but it is not when you are playing the lottery with other people's health by possibly infecting them.

Or to look at it from the other direction: would you want to end up in hospital seriously ill just because someone else couldn't be bothered to take precautions?

Yep

I see you responded to a ridiculous comment which still needs to be refuted.

Vaccinated people can still get COVID. Vaccinated people can still transmit COVID to others. These are documented facts.

Given those two facts, it is the sole responsibility of those at-risk and their families to get vaccinated and to take whatever measures are appropriate to their situation.

An unvaccinated person has no greater chance of spreading COVID than a vaccinated person. They are both potential spreaders. Saying otherwise is just an uninformed position of propaganda.

I think you’ll find being vaccinated reduces your chance of becoming infected by covid as well as effecting it’s ability to reproduce and spread to others.

So whilst it’s possible for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people to catch and spread Covid to say they are the same is wrong.

As one member has said
on this forum previously.
There is no right or wrong.
Merely an opinion.

I’d disagree and statements like that are one of the reasons I think we find people who believe that their opinion carries as much weight as fact.

Sticking to Data though, if you’re double vaccinated the figures for hospitalisation as a result of catching post vaccination covid are :

Pfizer 4%

AstraZeneca 8%

Seems like argument enough to justify vaccination before even considering the other benefits.

Gravitas

@CRAKROX said:

@Gravitas said:

@CRAKROX said:

@Gravitas said:

@NeuM said:

@drcongo said:
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.

Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.

That’s just not true. The “current wisdom” says even vaccinated can be carriers and spread COVID to others.

Agreed.

This has been proven here in the UK.
The current ,’vaccines’, are ineffective in regards to the Delta variant
and even before the delta variant was discovered there had been reports
of people who had received the vaccine and succumbed to the virus.
I personally know of three people who have had the vaccine and have been ill
with mild to severe coronavirus.

Right now a lot of people are asymptomatic and/or virulent and combined
with the Lockdowns which have damage the health of many people we are
looking at a very serious long term problem, for instance the U.K government
put out a contract a couple months ago asking for a company to provide
for excess deaths here in London covering the next four years.
Our city is designed to cope with ,’normal’, life and death for 15 million people.
For the government to prepare for a situation where the mortuaries
here in London cannot cope is a worrying situation.

This was just to replace a standing conteacr

@NeuM said:

@supadom said:

@Simon said:

@supadom said:
True. It’s a choice to play the lottery between no Covid, Covid and long Covid.

You left out "death" :-)

I guess the other aspect of this is that it might be ok for you to play the lottery with your own health, but it is not when you are playing the lottery with other people's health by possibly infecting them.

Or to look at it from the other direction: would you want to end up in hospital seriously ill just because someone else couldn't be bothered to take precautions?

Yep

I see you responded to a ridiculous comment which still needs to be refuted.

Vaccinated people can still get COVID. Vaccinated people can still transmit COVID to others. These are documented facts.

Given those two facts, it is the sole responsibility of those at-risk and their families to get vaccinated and to take whatever measures are appropriate to their situation.

An unvaccinated person has no greater chance of spreading COVID than a vaccinated person. They are both potential spreaders. Saying otherwise is just an uninformed position of propaganda.

I think you’ll find being vaccinated reduces your chance of becoming infected by covid as well as effecting it’s ability to reproduce and spread to others.

So whilst it’s possible for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people to catch and spread Covid to say they are the same is wrong.

As one member has said
on this forum previously.
There is no right or wrong.
Merely an opinion.

I’d disagree and statements like that are one of the reasons I think we find people who believe that their opinion carries as much weight as fact.

There is a thing called sarcasm.

Sticking to Data though, if you’re double vaccinated the figures for hospitalisation as a result of catching post vaccination covid are :

Pfizer 4%

AstraZeneca 8%

Yup.

And??

That's supposed to happen.
Also is this 'Data', worldwide or country specific?

Seems like argument enough to justify vaccination before even considering the other benefits.

Errrmmmm.

Okay.

Thank you for your explanation.

I wasn't arguing for or against vaccines.
If you were to read?
In one of my earlier comments
I mentioned the fact that I'm not anti vaccines.

Further more in the reply before this one?

I mentioned I provided information from my perspective and that's all.

You've tagged me again?
For what purpose?

You could've simply have provided your Data of your own free will.
If it's attention you need then hey you've got it.

Hi??👋

Deeply puzzled expression upon my face right now....
Seriously.

DMan

Wow, at this point it doesn’t seem like anything productive is coming from this thread.

Go back to making some music.

AudioGus

@AlmostAnonymous said:

i’m touched!

NeuM

@Gravitas said:

@Simon said:

@Gravitas said:
Is it actually important for me to prove to you or anyone else what I believe?

>

This is a public forum and is going to be here
for a long time so when I read back on my words
these are my responses in this moment.
I have to live with that.

I think that a lot of the posting in this thread is not about changing the other guy's view. People with deeply held views (on all sides) are not going to be changed easily, if at all.

The posts here have more to do with seeing something that we feel is not true and not being happy with letting it just be published without being challanged.

If someone said "COVID doesn't exist, it is just a media fabrication" I think most of us wouldn't be happy letting that go unchallenged. You let it go unchallenged and many people start to believe it must be true because nobody has challenged it.

It’s my right to let it go unchallenged.

Why pick an argument on a topic when it’s been on everyone’s lips for the past how long???

Right now I’m having fun experimenting with a delay rack and buffer rescan modules.

For me this is merely a news update.

I daresay you are being far more productive than anyone here engaging in arguments which will have exactly zero impact on the world at large in the arena of COVID.

AudioGus

@NeuM said:

@Gravitas said:

@Simon said:

@Gravitas said:
Is it actually important for me to prove to you or anyone else what I believe?

>

This is a public forum and is going to be here
for a long time so when I read back on my words
these are my responses in this moment.
I have to live with that.

I think that a lot of the posting in this thread is not about changing the other guy's view. People with deeply held views (on all sides) are not going to be changed easily, if at all.

The posts here have more to do with seeing something that we feel is not true and not being happy with letting it just be published without being challanged.

If someone said "COVID doesn't exist, it is just a media fabrication" I think most of us wouldn't be happy letting that go unchallenged. You let it go unchallenged and many people start to believe it must be true because nobody has challenged it.

It’s my right to let it go unchallenged.

Why pick an argument on a topic when it’s been on everyone’s lips for the past how long???

Right now I’m having fun experimenting with a delay rack and buffer rescan modules.

For me this is merely a news update.

I daresay you are being far more productive than anyone here engaging in arguments which will have exactly zero impact on the world at large in the arena of COVID.

This thread is massively inspiring my latest output, lovin it!

wim

@AudioGus said:
This thread is massively inspiring my latest output, lovin it!

Music output? Or are you taking a crap?

AudioGus

@wim said:

@AudioGus said:
This thread is massively inspiring my latest output, lovin it!

Music output? Or are you taking a crap?

Yes music/video. I am in a fun headspace now where I have accepted that I may full well have been (or inevitably one day we will be) injected with some tyrannical agent intent on mutating or destroying me. Implemented by some elite Elon character who has a whole AI robot plan thingy where step one is wiping out or enslaving my ignorant ilk etc. I mean, what the hell do I know? Half the stuff I read could be bots etc. Could just be a metaphorical truth I am vibing with.

But yah the video is just an expression of how to deal with this bewildering techno fascist science elite / my gullible dumb ass.

supadom

@AudioGus said:

@wim said:

@AudioGus said:
This thread is massively inspiring my latest output, lovin it!

Music output? Or are you taking a crap?

Yes music/video. I am in a fun headspace now where I have accepted that I may full well have been (or inevitably one day we will be) injected with some tyrannical agent intent on mutating or destroying me. Implemented by some elite Elon character who has a whole AI robot plan thingy where step one is wiping out or enslaving my ignorant ilk etc. I mean, what the hell do I know? Half the stuff I read could be bots etc. Could just be a metaphorical truth I am vibing with.

But yah the video is just an expression of how to deal with this bewildering techno fascist science elite / my gullible dumb ass.

One day a United Nations* like serious international body will need to be established to properly monitor the technological development. It will likely happen after a near miss/wake up call I’m afraid.

If this Wuhan escaped engineered virus isn’t one I’m not sure what is. Of course it has to be proven whether or not that actually took place.

*I know UN ain’t perfect but it did have some stabilising effect on the world.

ervin

@supadom said:

@AudioGus said:

@wim said:

@AudioGus said:
This thread is massively inspiring my latest output, lovin it!

Music output? Or are you taking a crap?

Yes music/video. I am in a fun headspace now where I have accepted that I may full well have been (or inevitably one day we will be) injected with some tyrannical agent intent on mutating or destroying me. Implemented by some elite Elon character who has a whole AI robot plan thingy where step one is wiping out or enslaving my ignorant ilk etc. I mean, what the hell do I know? Half the stuff I read could be bots etc. Could just be a metaphorical truth I am vibing with.

But yah the video is just an expression of how to deal with this bewildering techno fascist science elite / my gullible dumb ass.

One day a United Nations* like serious international body will need to be established to properly monitor the technological development. It will likely happen after a near miss/wake up call I’m afraid.

If this Wuhan escaped engineered virus isn’t one I’m not sure what is. Of course it has to be proven whether or not that actually took place.

*I know UN ain’t perfect but it did have some stabilising effect on the world.

What covid has demonstrated is something very similar - that a mere virus can be just as global in its reach as technological development, or even more so. Yet, when we talk about reacting to it, some of us seem unable to move past the position of "it's a personal choice". Which is about as infantile a position regarding covid as it is regarding Facebook, Apple, or the looming Skynet apocalypse. 🤷

supadom

@ervin said:

@supadom said:

@AudioGus said:

@wim said:

@AudioGus said:
This thread is massively inspiring my latest output, lovin it!

Music output? Or are you taking a crap?

Yes music/video. I am in a fun headspace now where I have accepted that I may full well have been (or inevitably one day we will be) injected with some tyrannical agent intent on mutating or destroying me. Implemented by some elite Elon character who has a whole AI robot plan thingy where step one is wiping out or enslaving my ignorant ilk etc. I mean, what the hell do I know? Half the stuff I read could be bots etc. Could just be a metaphorical truth I am vibing with.

But yah the video is just an expression of how to deal with this bewildering techno fascist science elite / my gullible dumb ass.

One day a United Nations* like serious international body will need to be established to properly monitor the technological development. It will likely happen after a near miss/wake up call I’m afraid.

If this Wuhan escaped engineered virus isn’t one I’m not sure what is. Of course it has to be proven whether or not that actually took place.

*I know UN ain’t perfect but it did have some stabilising effect on the world.

What covid has demonstrated is something very similar - that a mere virus can be just as global in its reach as technological development, or even more so. Yet, when we talk about reacting to it, some of us seem unable to move past the position of "it's a personal choice". Which is about as infantile a position regarding covid as it is regarding Facebook, Apple, or the looming Skynet apocalypse. 🤷

What some people don’t realise is that this is a medical emergency. Wars have been started on bigger lies than the theory of state control via vaccinations.
This is smoke though. It’s not a genuine movement like ‘we are 99%’, Hong Kong protests or suffragettes. This is a different kind of movement fuelled by the likes of Bannon under the umbrella of freedom or democracy. I’m quite amazed that it’s been given so much coverage but I guess these are times of Facebook so who knows what new things about humanity we are still going to learn.

Simon

@supadom said:
What some people don’t realise is that this is a medical emergency.

Stunned to read today that nearly 640,000 Americans have died from COVID. That is a horrible figure. More than they lost in WWII.

Here, in Australia, we are around the 1,000 deaths mark and the whole country is worried about COVID with total lockdowns in many areas.

We've only got a population of 25 million, but per capita the difference is huge (something like 40 times more deaths in the States).

And they say it will get worse with USA schools re-opening soon.

The USA is not a 3rd world country. 640,000 - how does it get to that?

knewspeak

@Simon said:

@supadom said:
What some people don’t realise is that this is a medical emergency.

Stunned to read today that nearly 640,000 Americans have died from COVID. That is a horrible figure.

Here, in Australia, we are around the 1,000 deaths mark and the whole country is worried about COVID with total lockdowns in many areas.

We've only got a population of 25 million, but per capita the difference is huge (something like 40 times more deaths in the States).

And they say it will get worse with USA schools re-opening soon.

The USA is not a 3rd world country. 640,000 - how does it get to that?

The UK mortality figures are similar to the USA, but what could have been worse, unchecked it could have been 500,000 here in the UK. Our government’s initial plan was to allow it to spread unchecked. So was the US Trump plan, if he even had a plan.

CRAKROX

@Gravitas said:

@CRAKROX said:

@Gravitas said:

@CRAKROX said:

@Gravitas said:

@NeuM said:

@drcongo said:
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.

Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.

That’s just not true. The “current wisdom” says even vaccinated can be carriers and spread COVID to others.

Agreed.

This has been proven here in the UK.
The current ,’vaccines’, are ineffective in regards to the Delta variant
and even before the delta variant was discovered there had been reports
of people who had received the vaccine and succumbed to the virus.
I personally know of three people who have had the vaccine and have been ill
with mild to severe coronavirus.

Right now a lot of people are asymptomatic and/or virulent and combined
with the Lockdowns which have damage the health of many people we are
looking at a very serious long term problem, for instance the U.K government
put out a contract a couple months ago asking for a company to provide
for excess deaths here in London covering the next four years.
Our city is designed to cope with ,’normal’, life and death for 15 million people.
For the government to prepare for a situation where the mortuaries
here in London cannot cope is a worrying situation.

This was just to replace a standing conteacr

@NeuM said:

@supadom said:

@Simon said:

@supadom said:
True. It’s a choice to play the lottery between no Covid, Covid and long Covid.

You left out "death" :-)

I guess the other aspect of this is that it might be ok for you to play the lottery with your own health, but it is not when you are playing the lottery with other people's health by possibly infecting them.

Or to look at it from the other direction: would you want to end up in hospital seriously ill just because someone else couldn't be bothered to take precautions?

Yep

I see you responded to a ridiculous comment which still needs to be refuted.

Vaccinated people can still get COVID. Vaccinated people can still transmit COVID to others. These are documented facts.

Given those two facts, it is the sole responsibility of those at-risk and their families to get vaccinated and to take whatever measures are appropriate to their situation.

An unvaccinated person has no greater chance of spreading COVID than a vaccinated person. They are both potential spreaders. Saying otherwise is just an uninformed position of propaganda.

I think you’ll find being vaccinated reduces your chance of becoming infected by covid as well as effecting it’s ability to reproduce and spread to others.

So whilst it’s possible for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people to catch and spread Covid to say they are the same is wrong.

As one member has said
on this forum previously.
There is no right or wrong.
Merely an opinion.

I’d disagree and statements like that are one of the reasons I think we find people who believe that their opinion carries as much weight as fact.

There is a thing called sarcasm.

Sticking to Data though, if you’re double vaccinated the figures for hospitalisation as a result of catching post vaccination covid are :

Pfizer 4%

AstraZeneca 8%

Yup.

And??

That's supposed to happen.
Also is this 'Data', worldwide or country specific?

Seems like argument enough to justify vaccination before even considering the other benefits.

Errrmmmm.

Okay.

Thank you for your explanation.

I wasn't arguing for or against vaccines.
If you were to read?
In one of my earlier comments
I mentioned the fact that I'm not anti vaccines.

Further more in the reply before this one?

I mentioned I provided information from my perspective and that's all.

You've tagged me again?
For what purpose?

You could've simply have provided your Data of your own free will.
If it's attention you need then hey you've got it.

Hi??👋

Deeply puzzled expression upon my face right now....
Seriously.

I didn’t “tag” you, my first post was aimed it Neum and by quoting him it must have quoted you too.

I did them respond to your reply however Sarcasm doesn’t always translate well over the internet as illustrated by your post and my misreading of it.

Your snippy replies seem to be about having a personal pop at me whereas I was simply putting some data and opinion into the mix without any sly digs seem to illustrate you as a dickhead.

0tolerance4silence

Another cool down period? When COVID is over let’s get right back to this debate.