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The Nightmare that is a Reality
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You continually assert things I have not said. Saying them a dozen different ways doesn’t make them factual.
wow, some high quality premium mental vomiting in this thread...
some people arr not interested in facts, i think it makes not sense to try to convice them.. one my friend is saying "it's good at the end, more antivaxers, less antivaxers".. natural selection will do the job for us 🤣😂
Unfortunately, the willfully-non-vaxxed spread the virus to the vaccinated and those that can't be vaccinated. Pediatric hospitals in some states in the U.S. have reached their capacity. And that affects their ability to treat patients.
One of the big lies is that the decision is merely personal... with no regard to the impact on others. The choices we make for ourselves affect others.
Still waiting on that answer.....
This is just factually incorrect. Now I'm not saying with certainty that Ivermectin is a miracle cure, but...
People are members of pro Ivermectin groups because they believe it works. There is not an Ivermectin drug company paying anyone! its out of patent, any company can make it. Surely you see the people with financial incentives are the big drug companies with their new drugs? Painting the pro Ivermectin groups as some kind of shady grifters is laughable.
That LA Times article is full of misinformation. Do they mention that the discoverer/inventor of the drug won a nobel prize for it? No. They, and the people they quote dismiss it as a veterinary drug. Lots of human drugs are also used on animals, it's irrelevant. It has saved millions of people from debilitating parasitic diseases, but they add a hint of that almost as an afterthought. Obey the narrative at all costs though....
How's this... "Approximately 250 million people have been using ivermectin (IVM) annually to combat many parasitic diseases including filariasis, onchocerciasis, strongyloidiasis, scabies and pediculosis"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31071469/#:~:text=Approximately 250 million people have,, strongyloidiasis, scabies and pediculosis.
250 million. Annually. Does that mean it works on Covid? No of course not, but it gives you a picture of how biased that LA Times piece is. It's about the narrative, it's about toeing the lie, and associating the drug with Trump because that's America's tragic polarisation and derangement. Trump is utterly irrelevant and it's just fucked journalism to play these partisan games. Calling people loopy, playing guilt by association games. They are little smart-arse, pseudo-intellectual virtue signallers. But I'm sure they mean well .
The flawed study mentioned was ONE in a large meta analysis. With that result removed, the overall results were slightly worse. The person who carried out the meta analysis has worked for the WHO. Why don't they report it that way. coz narrative. ... And the Gorski bit has been shown to be an incorrect interpretation and is basically irrelevant.
The people who are fighting for covid, mainly, are frontline doctors who were trying anything that worked in the early days of the Covid outbreak, and they found this drug working. People like Pierre Kory who gets tarred as a right wing loony, when he has openly described himself as a liberal. If some right wing senator invited him to testify, should he refuse because of the US' screwed up polarisation? I think he probably cared more about getting what he sees as an important message out. But there goes that great guilt by association game the US media etc play.
The situation is still not clear, regarding the efficacy of Ivermectin. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence, especially when it has been used early or even prior to exposure, less so later in the disease, which is what some trials tested.
But the way you presented it is factually wrong, though it's good for recognition of Correct Thinking and the comfort that comes from the narrative
The vaccines got emergency use approval only, due to having less testing than is normally required. This is only granted if there is no other effective treatment available. Would that subliminally affect the decisions made by authorities and legislators who are in cozy relationships with big drug companies? It's not out of the question. Who wants to hear about a cheap drug that seems to be having a great impact? The story develops that anyone who think this drug works is crazy. Not necessarily a conspiracy. Just human nature doing its thing where businesses have a vested interest.
Edit for clarification... I'm referring here to your first thing, not your second.
. whoops, mistake
True enough in a way
, but we may save some of the fence sitters from being infected - both literally and figuratively.
Testing was rushed in timescale comparable to other drugs, but there were far more trials compressed into the timeframe and generally more peer reviews of the drugs than normal.
The study of ‘long Covid’ has really just started, but with initial findings, if, as is suggested by the study, then the implications for healthcare systems and the wider economic system, long term, could be dire.
Yeah that's valid argument, if you save just one life it makes sense. Ok, will not stop fight with dumbness :-)
Thing which is most funny to me (but also sad) is is that people who are afraid of negative effects of vaccination have also no problem eating tons of painkillers and other chemical shit like that. People should just read sometimes list of potential side effect of everyday painkillers. It's fucking hell compared to vaccines (especially modern mRNA ones).
I had near to zero fear from vaccine, but I'm literally scared to death when i have some pain big enough i feel like i had to take some painkiller, after i readed all potential side effects
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There's that, too. Really, the moment you start picking at these "arguments" they tend to fall apart. That's why they mostly stick to statements, either with no facts behind or the usual "look, I found a video from this one random doctor who may look a bit dodgy plus he's actually a gynaecologist, but he disagrees with all his immunologist colleagues so he's right".
Interesting stats from CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html#anchor_1607017225822
People aged 18-49 make up 25% of hospitalisations
People aged 5-64 make up 26% of hospitalisations
The 65 and up make up 46% of hospitalisations
So, 18-64 are about half. That's more than i expected.
As far as deaths go:
18-49 are 5%
50-64 are !5%
and the 65 plus are 80%.
Im gonna go back and get frequent flyer miles with booster shots.
But just that J and J one.
Hopefully with whatever "made from humans" stuff is in it, it might modify my own DNA and ge those super powers ive always been wanting.
Get like 8 legs or be able to figure out drambo or something.....
I’ve seen this thread title for weeks and wondered what on earth it referred to. Now I see it’s a portal to an alternate reality
Sorry but the future you were expecting has been cancelled.
CNN Article - "Right-wing media pushed a deworming drug to treat Covid-19 that the FDA says is unsafe for humans":
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/23/media/right-wing-media-ivermectin/index.html
But that doesn’t help this whole carbon footprint / hellish inferno on earth actual real nightmare thing that is right around the corner. So, if we lose a few carbon foot printers here and there… ehh, there are good people on both sides, gnome sayin?
I just assumed it was about that raging ball of fire rolling across the horizon and not this silly ‘super’ bug. But lol, you kids have fun with your ‘crisis’. ‘Heh’ ‘heh’.
oh my!
bonus points for Paradise City.
@SimonSomeone There’s a massive thing you’re maybe missing here, which is that getting vaccinated will also largely stop you spreading it. To your immune-suppressed elderly neighbour, or relative. To the person you brush past in the street who is undergoing chemotherapy and cannot be vaccinated. Etc.
Some of us who have gotten the vaccine have done it for the greater good. Taking ivermectin, even if it was effective, which it isn’t, would help the taker only. Personally I can’t even begin to understand a thought process that amounts to “screw everyone else, I’m sorted”. I would hate to think I’d killed someone just because I’d rather take a drug that absolutely nobody is seriously saying has any effect on COVID, than take a vaccine that is conclusively proven.
I am still trying to get my head around large numbers of people thinking that even if it were true (which it isn't) that only people with underlying (many of which are not life-threatening) health conditions died that they don't think society has an obligation to protect those millions at risk. (And just repeating, risk isn't actually limited to those people).
Something is seriously wrong when so many people see those people as expendable.
[Also economically idiotic, since one precondition is being over 59 -- and a pretty sizable chunk of our managerial and executive class is in that risk group. Not that those people are more important than other people. But the people making the argument that those people are expendable, also tend to see life through the lens of economic expediency (which to my mind is kind of ghoulish -- but it is what it is)].
Of the 20+ people I know that caught it, all of them got it within the past 3 months, and all but 1 were fully vaxed. (1 non vaxed - not even original shot).
(all of them were also pfizer. no modernas if that means anything for the tally takers)
Time to have your own coping mechanisms in place cause its not going anywhere and you're not changing those other peoples minds.
Yess. Respect, mate.
The main conclusion that can be drawn from this personal statistic is more positive than you (or others) might think. It's not that the vaccine does not work - it's that you know the right kind of people, those who had themselves vaccinated.
That's because, as the proportion of vaccinated people goes up, it's inevitable that an increasing proportion of new cases will be from among them. For example, if one's friends happen to be 100% vaccinated, then by definition every single new infections among them can only be a vaccinated person. But they will still be much better protected than the antivaxers.
@SimonSomeone Just in case you haven’t read this, please do. https://gidmk.medium.com/is-ivermectin-for-covid-19-based-on-fraudulent-research-5cc079278602
Were they symptomatic?
Did any of them end up in the hospital?
As public health experts and epidemiologists have said since the beginning, vaccination is important but not sufficient for minimizing the virus' impact. Even to the degree that some vaccinated people become infected, the amount of protection that it offers is huge.
The overwhelming majority of hospitalizations and deaths since the vaccine became widely available have been among those that are unvaccinated.