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The Nightmare that is a Reality

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  • @AlmostAnonymous said:
    True. Ive tried, but alas you cant.
    So i just stop going into those "omg the mpc live is so awesome" threads. B)

    They are pointless distractions from the awesomeness of Maschine.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:
    True. Ive tried, but alas you cant.
    So i just stop going into those "omg the mpc live is so awesome" threads. B)

    They are pointless distractions from the awesomeness of Maschine.

    Doesnt matter if you maschine was made by the unvaxxed

  • edited August 2021

    i would suggest to everybody read this whole article ... to put conspiracies and unscientific speculations from various low-quality sources away, just from pure scientific point of view try understand how this technology was created.

    I found mRNA vaccines fascinating example of technological/medical progress .. this, plus things like CRISPR are really great results of tons of hard working scientists - they have my big respect, for helping mankind obtain higher quality of life...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine

    In my opinion, if somebody is not capable to read whole that article and fully understand all things written there, he should NOT comment vaccination discussion in any way. Biggest problem of this topis is that many people who really don't understand it are hungry to add their "opinion".

    Sometimes is good to just admit "I don't fully understand" and stay quiet.

  • edited August 2021

    @dendy said:
    In my opinion, if somebody is not capable to read whole that article and fully understand all things written there, he should >NOT comment vaccination discussion in any way.

    I read it and I really hope there's not going to be an exam later... :-)

  • @Simon said:

    @dendy said:
    In my opinion, if somebody is not capable to read whole that article and fully understand all things written there, he should >NOT comment vaccination discussion in any way.

    I read it and I really hope there's not going to be an exam later... :-)

    Don’t worry only three other vaccine types to go.

  • @knewspeak said:
    Don’t worry only three other vaccine types to go.

    Maybe Tucker can explain it to me:

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-leaders-explain-covid-mandates

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

  • @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Don’t worry only three other vaccine types to go.

    Maybe Tucker can explain it to me:

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-leaders-explain-covid-mandates

  • That would be interesting: seeing Trump and Tucker slug it out to be the Rep candidate. Who would Fox side with...?

  • edited August 2021

    When the hospitals start to be overrun with COVID patients:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/paramedics-stranded-for-hours-outside-nsw-hospitals/100408718

    Not a good time to be going to hospital.

  • @Simon said:

    That would be interesting: seeing Trump and Tucker slug it out to be the Rep candidate. Who would Fox side with...?

    Marjorie Taylor Greene

  • @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @Simon said:

    That would be interesting: seeing Trump and Tucker slug it out to be the Rep candidate. Who would Fox side with...?

    Marjorie Taylor Greene

    Doubtful, she’s not clued up on the UAP situation enough.

  • @dendy said:
    Thing which is most funny to me (but also sad) is is that people who are afraid of negative effects of vaccination have also no problem eating tons of painkillers and other chemical shit like that. People should just read sometimes list of potential side effect of everyday painkillers. It's fucking hell compared to vaccines (especially modern mRNA ones).

    I had near to zero fear from vaccine, but I'm literally scared to death when i have some pain big enough i feel like i had to take some painkiller, after i readed all potential side effects :lol: :lol: :lol:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Don’t worry only three other vaccine types to go.

    Maybe Tucker can explain it to me:

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-leaders-explain-covid-mandates

    What?
    Being The Prince of Fishsticks isn't enough for that highly punchable douchebag?

  • @JeffChasteen said:

    @dendy said:
    Thing which is most funny to me (but also sad) is is that people who are afraid of negative effects of vaccination have also no problem eating tons of painkillers and other chemical shit like that. People should just read sometimes list of potential side effect of everyday painkillers. It's fucking hell compared to vaccines (especially modern mRNA ones).

    I had near to zero fear from vaccine, but I'm literally scared to death when i have some pain big enough i feel like i had to take some painkiller, after i readed all potential side effects :lol: :lol: :lol:

    @AlmostAnonymous said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    Don’t worry only three other vaccine types to go.

    Maybe Tucker can explain it to me:

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-leaders-explain-covid-mandates

    What?
    Being The Prince of Fishsticks isn't enough for that highly punchable douchebag?

  • @knewspeak said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

    Mask-wearing and some amount of social distancing should be happening anywhere where there is community transmission. If those aren't happening where you are, it should be.

    One of the reason that Delta has exploded in the U.S. is that as people got vaccinated and infection rates dropped, a lot of localities dropped mask requirements for vaccinated people in indoor spaces not taking into account that this meant unvaccinated people would stop wearing masks, too. Also, vaccinated people mistakenly believed that they couldn't pass on the virus. The government was in such a rush to defuse political tension over masking that policies were eased too early.

    Hopefully, that mistake won't happen again -- but it might.

    It is worth noting that to date, the places that respond early and strongly to community transmission (like New Zealand) have been able to generally lead much more normal lives than in places where public health people feel like the need to accommodate realities of social resistance to safe measures.

  • @dendy said:
    i would suggest to everybody read this whole article ... to put conspiracies and unscientific speculations from various low-quality sources away, just from pure scientific point of view try understand how this technology was created.

    I found mRNA vaccines fascinating example of technological/medical progress .. this, plus things like CRISPR are really great results of tons of hard working scientists - they have my big respect, for helping mankind obtain higher quality of life...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine

    In my opinion, if somebody is not capable to read whole that article and fully understand all things written there, he should NOT comment vaccination discussion in any way. Biggest problem of this topis is that many people who really don't understand it are hungry to add their "opinion".

    Sometimes is good to just admit "I don't fully understand" and stay quiet.

    Another suggestion...

  • @AudioGus nice sarcastic, dark, and wry humor

  • @AudioGus said:

    @dendy said:
    i would suggest to everybody read this whole article ... to put conspiracies and unscientific speculations from various low-quality sources away, just from pure scientific point of view try understand how this technology was created.

    I found mRNA vaccines fascinating example of technological/medical progress .. this, plus things like CRISPR are really great results of tons of hard working scientists - they have my big respect, for helping mankind obtain higher quality of life...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine

    In my opinion, if somebody is not capable to read whole that article and fully understand all things written there, he should NOT comment vaccination discussion in any way. Biggest problem of this topis is that many people who really don't understand it are hungry to add their "opinion".

    Sometimes is good to just admit "I don't fully understand" and stay quiet.

    Another suggestion...

    I applaud your photoshop skill, and yet ask why do you keep weighing in only to shitpost?

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

    Mask-wearing and some amount of social distancing should be happening anywhere where there is community transmission. If those aren't happening where you are, it should be.

    One of the reason that Delta has exploded in the U.S. is that as people got vaccinated and infection rates dropped, a lot of localities dropped mask requirements for vaccinated people in indoor spaces not taking into account that this meant unvaccinated people would stop wearing masks, too. Also, vaccinated people mistakenly believed that they couldn't pass on the virus. The government was in such a rush to defuse political tension over masking that policies were eased too early.

    Hopefully, that mistake won't happen again -- but it might.

    It is worth noting that to date, the places that respond early and strongly to community transmission (like New Zealand) have been able to generally lead much more normal lives than in places where public health people feel like the need to accommodate realities of social resistance to safe measures.

    Ugh! Just saw an update about New Zealand, it seems that there has been no large-scale vaccination and as a result, Delta has taken off. Hopefully, the new lockdown will be brief and effective.

    Just a reminder to us that -- as epidemiologist have been trying to tell us -- successful mitigation is multi-vectored.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

    Mask-wearing and some amount of social distancing should be happening anywhere where there is community transmission. If those aren't happening where you are, it should be.

    One of the reason that Delta has exploded in the U.S. is that as people got vaccinated and infection rates dropped, a lot of localities dropped mask requirements for vaccinated people in indoor spaces not taking into account that this meant unvaccinated people would stop wearing masks, too. Also, vaccinated people mistakenly believed that they couldn't pass on the virus. The government was in such a rush to defuse political tension over masking that policies were eased too early.

    Hopefully, that mistake won't happen again -- but it might.

    It is worth noting that to date, the places that respond early and strongly to community transmission (like New Zealand) have been able to generally lead much more normal lives than in places where public health people feel like the need to accommodate realities of social resistance to safe measures.

    Ugh! Just saw an update about New Zealand, it seems that there has been no large-scale vaccination and as a result, Delta has taken off. Hopefully, the new lockdown will be brief and effective.

    Just a reminder to us that -- as epidemiologist have been trying to tell us -- successful mitigation is multi-vectored.

    Say what? I thought New Zealand was supposed to be on the forefront of government mandates and forcing their people to be vaccinated? What happened?

  • @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

    Mask-wearing and some amount of social distancing should be happening anywhere where there is community transmission. If those aren't happening where you are, it should be.

    One of the reason that Delta has exploded in the U.S. is that as people got vaccinated and infection rates dropped, a lot of localities dropped mask requirements for vaccinated people in indoor spaces not taking into account that this meant unvaccinated people would stop wearing masks, too. Also, vaccinated people mistakenly believed that they couldn't pass on the virus. The government was in such a rush to defuse political tension over masking that policies were eased too early.

    Hopefully, that mistake won't happen again -- but it might.

    It is worth noting that to date, the places that respond early and strongly to community transmission (like New Zealand) have been able to generally lead much more normal lives than in places where public health people feel like the need to accommodate realities of social resistance to safe measures.

    Ugh! Just saw an update about New Zealand, it seems that there has been no large-scale vaccination and as a result, Delta has taken off. Hopefully, the new lockdown will be brief and effective.

    Just a reminder to us that -- as epidemiologist have been trying to tell us -- successful mitigation is multi-vectored.

    Say what? I thought New Zealand was supposed to be on the forefront of government mandates and forcing their people to be vaccinated? What happened?

    They, like Australia, did not put emphasis on vaccination. They relied on other mitigation alone -- which was hugely successful till Delta arrived.

  • edited August 2021

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @dendy said:
    i would suggest to everybody read this whole article ... to put conspiracies and unscientific speculations from various low-quality sources away, just from pure scientific point of view try understand how this technology was created.

    I found mRNA vaccines fascinating example of technological/medical progress .. this, plus things like CRISPR are really great results of tons of hard working scientists - they have my big respect, for helping mankind obtain higher quality of life...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine

    In my opinion, if somebody is not capable to read whole that article and fully understand all things written there, he should NOT comment vaccination discussion in any way. Biggest problem of this topis is that many people who really don't understand it are hungry to add their "opinion".

    Sometimes is good to just admit "I don't fully understand" and stay quiet.

    Another suggestion...

    I applaud your photoshop skill, and yet ask why do you keep weighing in only to shitpost?

    Thanks! Shit posting is a good remedy for buzz kill and I'm pretty sure 'harshed mellow' is also a medically recognized condition. You are right though, should be more like...

    But yah I think the original video link is bust, the thread title seems mostly ignored by most so seems as good a place as any for now.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

    Mask-wearing and some amount of social distancing should be happening anywhere where there is community transmission. If those aren't happening where you are, it should be.

    One of the reason that Delta has exploded in the U.S. is that as people got vaccinated and infection rates dropped, a lot of localities dropped mask requirements for vaccinated people in indoor spaces not taking into account that this meant unvaccinated people would stop wearing masks, too. Also, vaccinated people mistakenly believed that they couldn't pass on the virus. The government was in such a rush to defuse political tension over masking that policies were eased too early.

    Hopefully, that mistake won't happen again -- but it might.

    It is worth noting that to date, the places that respond early and strongly to community transmission (like New Zealand) have been able to generally lead much more normal lives than in places where public health people feel like the need to accommodate realities of social resistance to safe measures.

    Ugh! Just saw an update about New Zealand, it seems that there has been no large-scale vaccination and as a result, Delta has taken off. Hopefully, the new lockdown will be brief and effective.

    Just a reminder to us that -- as epidemiologist have been trying to tell us -- successful mitigation is multi-vectored.

    Say what? I thought New Zealand was supposed to be on the forefront of government mandates and forcing their people to be vaccinated? What happened?

    They, like Australia, did not put emphasis on vaccination. They relied on other mitigation alone -- which was hugely successful till Delta arrived.

    And why did they not put an emphasis on vaccinations?

  • @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

    Mask-wearing and some amount of social distancing should be happening anywhere where there is community transmission. If those aren't happening where you are, it should be.

    One of the reason that Delta has exploded in the U.S. is that as people got vaccinated and infection rates dropped, a lot of localities dropped mask requirements for vaccinated people in indoor spaces not taking into account that this meant unvaccinated people would stop wearing masks, too. Also, vaccinated people mistakenly believed that they couldn't pass on the virus. The government was in such a rush to defuse political tension over masking that policies were eased too early.

    Hopefully, that mistake won't happen again -- but it might.

    It is worth noting that to date, the places that respond early and strongly to community transmission (like New Zealand) have been able to generally lead much more normal lives than in places where public health people feel like the need to accommodate realities of social resistance to safe measures.

    Ugh! Just saw an update about New Zealand, it seems that there has been no large-scale vaccination and as a result, Delta has taken off. Hopefully, the new lockdown will be brief and effective.

    Just a reminder to us that -- as epidemiologist have been trying to tell us -- successful mitigation is multi-vectored.

    Say what? I thought New Zealand was supposed to be on the forefront of government mandates and forcing their people to be vaccinated? What happened?

    They, like Australia, did not put emphasis on vaccination. They relied on other mitigation alone -- which was hugely successful till Delta arrived.

    And why did they not put an emphasis on vaccinations?

    Why have there been delays?

    A big part of the problem has been access to supplies. Australia's programme is most reliant on the AstraZeneca shot, followed by Pfizer. It also has supply deals for Moderna and Novavax, if those vaccines are approved by regulators.
    The country's initial efforts in securing vaccines appeared promising. It was among the first to announce an order with AstraZeneca, and also trumpeted its local manufacturing capacity with medical firm CSL.
    Early in the rollout, though, confusion over just how much stock Australia had began to circle. A tussle with the European Union led to part of the AstraZeneca order being held back. And a lack of clear, public information has made it difficult to assess supply levels.
    At the same time, domestic production hasn't lived up to expectations. Manufacturing began in March, with the government failing early on to hit its target of about one million doses a week.
    Then, issues around a rare blood clotting disorder associated with the AstraZeneca jab, made the situation worse. Two people have died after developing the disorder.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56825920

    (Well that wasn’t fun)

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

    Mask-wearing and some amount of social distancing should be happening anywhere where there is community transmission. If those aren't happening where you are, it should be.

    One of the reason that Delta has exploded in the U.S. is that as people got vaccinated and infection rates dropped, a lot of localities dropped mask requirements for vaccinated people in indoor spaces not taking into account that this meant unvaccinated people would stop wearing masks, too. Also, vaccinated people mistakenly believed that they couldn't pass on the virus. The government was in such a rush to defuse political tension over masking that policies were eased too early.

    Hopefully, that mistake won't happen again -- but it might.

    It is worth noting that to date, the places that respond early and strongly to community transmission (like New Zealand) have been able to generally lead much more normal lives than in places where public health people feel like the need to accommodate realities of social resistance to safe measures.

    Ugh! Just saw an update about New Zealand, it seems that there has been no large-scale vaccination and as a result, Delta has taken off. Hopefully, the new lockdown will be brief and effective.

    Just a reminder to us that -- as epidemiologist have been trying to tell us -- successful mitigation is multi-vectored.

    Sure, but for some context - their "outbreak" and "delta takeoff" is still massively better than most other countries' best case dream scenarios 🤷. And they are already talking about easing restrictions because they acted fast (and didn't have to deal with a mass of selfish covidiots).
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-68-new-community-covid-cases-pm-jacinda-ardern-and-caroline-mcelnay/757RQKJFK53TMYYYWIQ34NKIQE/

  • @AudioGus said:

    @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

    Mask-wearing and some amount of social distancing should be happening anywhere where there is community transmission. If those aren't happening where you are, it should be.

    One of the reason that Delta has exploded in the U.S. is that as people got vaccinated and infection rates dropped, a lot of localities dropped mask requirements for vaccinated people in indoor spaces not taking into account that this meant unvaccinated people would stop wearing masks, too. Also, vaccinated people mistakenly believed that they couldn't pass on the virus. The government was in such a rush to defuse political tension over masking that policies were eased too early.

    Hopefully, that mistake won't happen again -- but it might.

    It is worth noting that to date, the places that respond early and strongly to community transmission (like New Zealand) have been able to generally lead much more normal lives than in places where public health people feel like the need to accommodate realities of social resistance to safe measures.

    Ugh! Just saw an update about New Zealand, it seems that there has been no large-scale vaccination and as a result, Delta has taken off. Hopefully, the new lockdown will be brief and effective.

    Just a reminder to us that -- as epidemiologist have been trying to tell us -- successful mitigation is multi-vectored.

    Say what? I thought New Zealand was supposed to be on the forefront of government mandates and forcing their people to be vaccinated? What happened?

    They, like Australia, did not put emphasis on vaccination. They relied on other mitigation alone -- which was hugely successful till Delta arrived.

    And why did they not put an emphasis on vaccinations?

    Why have there been delays?

    A big part of the problem has been access to supplies. Australia's programme is most reliant on the AstraZeneca shot, followed by Pfizer. It also has supply deals for Moderna and Novavax, if those vaccines are approved by regulators.
    The country's initial efforts in securing vaccines appeared promising. It was among the first to announce an order with AstraZeneca, and also trumpeted its local manufacturing capacity with medical firm CSL.
    Early in the rollout, though, confusion over just how much stock Australia had began to circle. A tussle with the European Union led to part of the AstraZeneca order being held back. And a lack of clear, public information has made it difficult to assess supply levels.
    At the same time, domestic production hasn't lived up to expectations. Manufacturing began in March, with the government failing early on to hit its target of about one million doses a week.
    Then, issues around a rare blood clotting disorder associated with the AstraZeneca jab, made the situation worse. Two people have died after developing the disorder.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56825920

    (Well that wasn’t fun)

    See, there you go posting quality information that grows our collective knowledge again! Back to wry memeing with you!

  • @NeuM said:
    And why did they not put an emphasis on vaccinations?

    Why don't you answer my question, you naughty boy!

    If you don't have an answer then just say "I'm not sure".

    But claiming governements around the world are going against the "maths and the science" and then not explaining why they are doing that suggests you are presenting a baseless viewpoint.

    If they are doing what you say I'd genuinely be interested in hearing the story.

  • Will the "Stand Your Ground" law hold up in court when protecting yourself from the infected?

  • @ervin said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

    Mask-wearing and some amount of social distancing should be happening anywhere where there is community transmission. If those aren't happening where you are, it should be.

    One of the reason that Delta has exploded in the U.S. is that as people got vaccinated and infection rates dropped, a lot of localities dropped mask requirements for vaccinated people in indoor spaces not taking into account that this meant unvaccinated people would stop wearing masks, too. Also, vaccinated people mistakenly believed that they couldn't pass on the virus. The government was in such a rush to defuse political tension over masking that policies were eased too early.

    Hopefully, that mistake won't happen again -- but it might.

    It is worth noting that to date, the places that respond early and strongly to community transmission (like New Zealand) have been able to generally lead much more normal lives than in places where public health people feel like the need to accommodate realities of social resistance to safe measures.

    Ugh! Just saw an update about New Zealand, it seems that there has been no large-scale vaccination and as a result, Delta has taken off. Hopefully, the new lockdown will be brief and effective.

    Just a reminder to us that -- as epidemiologist have been trying to tell us -- successful mitigation is multi-vectored.

    Sure, but for some context - their "outbreak" and "delta takeoff" is still massively better than most other countries' best case dream scenarios 🤷. And they are already talking about easing restrictions because they acted fast (and didn't have to deal with a mass of selfish covidiots).
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-68-new-community-covid-cases-pm-jacinda-ardern-and-caroline-mcelnay/757RQKJFK53TMYYYWIQ34NKIQE/

    A virus does what a virus does. Everyone there will eventually get COVID, no matter what steps they take.

  • @NeuM said:

    @ervin said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:
    "Virologist Eddie Holmes lays out how COVID will likely shape our lives in the years to come":

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-26/virologist-eddie-holmes-covid-scenarios/100399974

    Professor Eddie Holmes was named NSW's Scientist of the Year in 2020 for his work early in the pandemic establishing that SARS-CoV-2 was the cause of COVID-19.

    He was also one of the first people to publicly release the genome sequence of the virus.

    The vaccine cuts the number of hospitalised people by at least half and mortality to about a fifth given comparable figures of the number of cases from the previous wave in the UK. The present number of daily cases isn’t looking good given the percentage of the population vaccinated, especially now we are heading to autumn and winter, when activity involves more indoor mixing.

    As I understand it, the latest data indicates that the likelihood of being hospitalized is reduced by far more than 1/2 compared to those that haven't been vaccinated. Some of the comparisons one sees in the press compare are confusing as they may compare outcomes of people that are infected without taking into account that vaccinated people are less likely to become infected in the first place.

    It will be interesting to see if getting a third shot has a longer lasting impact. There seems to be some indication that might be the case -- but it'll be many many months before if that bears out (and whether or not a nastier than delta variant comes along).

    Besides vaccination, we also need to adjust our behaviors.

    Hopefully, better/cheaper at-home rapid tests will become available.

    Looks like a third ‘booster’ will be rolled out in the UK and I could see a return of social distancing and mask wearing return over the coming months if cases continue rising.

    Mask-wearing and some amount of social distancing should be happening anywhere where there is community transmission. If those aren't happening where you are, it should be.

    One of the reason that Delta has exploded in the U.S. is that as people got vaccinated and infection rates dropped, a lot of localities dropped mask requirements for vaccinated people in indoor spaces not taking into account that this meant unvaccinated people would stop wearing masks, too. Also, vaccinated people mistakenly believed that they couldn't pass on the virus. The government was in such a rush to defuse political tension over masking that policies were eased too early.

    Hopefully, that mistake won't happen again -- but it might.

    It is worth noting that to date, the places that respond early and strongly to community transmission (like New Zealand) have been able to generally lead much more normal lives than in places where public health people feel like the need to accommodate realities of social resistance to safe measures.

    Ugh! Just saw an update about New Zealand, it seems that there has been no large-scale vaccination and as a result, Delta has taken off. Hopefully, the new lockdown will be brief and effective.

    Just a reminder to us that -- as epidemiologist have been trying to tell us -- successful mitigation is multi-vectored.

    Sure, but for some context - their "outbreak" and "delta takeoff" is still massively better than most other countries' best case dream scenarios 🤷. And they are already talking about easing restrictions because they acted fast (and didn't have to deal with a mass of selfish covidiots).
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-68-new-community-covid-cases-pm-jacinda-ardern-and-caroline-mcelnay/757RQKJFK53TMYYYWIQ34NKIQE/

    A virus does what a virus does. Everyone there will eventually get COVID, no matter what steps they take.

    That is simply nonsense and not based on fact.

    Many people succeed in not getting diseases against which they have been vaccinated PARTICULARLY if communities at large take appropriate action.

    It depends on many factors.

    Many countries have kept infection rates as exceedingly low.

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