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Riffler by Jonathan Bell

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  • @CracklePot said:
    @jon_bell
    Hello genius dev.
    I have noticed that if I start from the default state/preset, when I tweak some of the sliders I am getting an sort of all or nothing result. Mainly noticed when trying to add in some power chords or palm muting, the slider doesn’t gradually add more. It either adds nearly nothing, then one increment higher and it adds it very generously to the whole riff.

    Maybe it is meant to be like that, with the sliders affecting each other maybe? I have the other sliders set to minimum when I get the all or nothing type behavior from the power chords and palm muting sliders.

    Just thought I would mention this. It is not stopping me from enjoying your awesome app at all, just curious about this slider behavior.

    Hi,

    I had a check on palm muting and powerchords sliders and they seem to be working ok. I think it may be that the other settings that you had selected meant that the results were a bit unexpected.

    When palm muting is at 0 no notes should have palm muting when palm muting is at 10 all notes should have palm muting. The palm muting slider doesn't affect the muting on powerchords, this is set automatically based on the speed on the note. Palm muting won't be added to very slow notes (unless it is set to 10).

    When the palm muting is at 1 palm muting will only be added to the lowest note. Palm muting of 2 means palm muting will be added to the lowest note and the note one fret higher. Palm muting of 3 adds palm muting to notes between the lowest note and 3 frets higher, etc.

    The powerchord slider is based on tempo. When set to 0 there are no powerchords, when at 1 powerchords are only added the slowest notes. When at 2 it added to slighty faster notes etc.

    If you're still having problems could you send a screen shot including the controls and I should be able to explain why it's behaving unexpectedly.

  • @FesteringMike said:
    @jon_bell There is a bug with the new update. All my saved riffs have now lost their settings and reverted to standard tuning. Can you fix this?

    I've just uploaded a new version and it should fix the issue with the settings not being loaded. Very old save files (from last Summer) didn't save settings, if you load one it will just default all the sliders to 5.

    Just waiting for Apple to approve the update, hopefully will be online tomorrow. Please let me know if you're still having problems.

  • @jon_bell said:

    @CracklePot said:
    @jon_bell
    Hello genius dev.
    I have noticed that if I start from the default state/preset, when I tweak some of the sliders I am getting an sort of all or nothing result. Mainly noticed when trying to add in some power chords or palm muting, the slider doesn’t gradually add more. It either adds nearly nothing, then one increment higher and it adds it very generously to the whole riff.

    Maybe it is meant to be like that, with the sliders affecting each other maybe? I have the other sliders set to minimum when I get the all or nothing type behavior from the power chords and palm muting sliders.

    Just thought I would mention this. It is not stopping me from enjoying your awesome app at all, just curious about this slider behavior.

    Hi,

    I had a check on palm muting and powerchords sliders and they seem to be working ok. I think it may be that the other settings that you had selected meant that the results were a bit unexpected.

    When palm muting is at 0 no notes should have palm muting when palm muting is at 10 all notes should have palm muting. The palm muting slider doesn't affect the muting on powerchords, this is set automatically based on the speed on the note. Palm muting won't be added to very slow notes (unless it is set to 10).

    When the palm muting is at 1 palm muting will only be added to the lowest note. Palm muting of 2 means palm muting will be added to the lowest note and the note one fret higher. Palm muting of 3 adds palm muting to notes between the lowest note and 3 frets higher, etc.

    The powerchord slider is based on tempo. When set to 0 there are no powerchords, when at 1 powerchords are only added the slowest notes. When at 2 it added to slighty faster notes etc.

    If you're still having problems could you send a screen shot including the controls and I should be able to explain why it's behaving unexpectedly.

    Thank you for the detailed feedback. Your explanation makes perfect sense to me. 😊

  • @NeuM said:

    @Ailerom said:

    @jon_bell said:

    @CracklePot said:
    @jon_bell
    Hello genius dev.
    I have noticed that if I start from the default state/preset, when I tweak some of the sliders I am getting an sort of all or nothing result. Mainly noticed when trying to add in some power chords or palm muting, the slider doesn’t gradually add more. It either adds nearly nothing, then one increment higher and it adds it very generously to the whole riff.

    Maybe it is meant to be like that, with the sliders affecting each other maybe? I have the other sliders set to minimum when I get the all or nothing type behavior from the power chords and palm muting sliders.

    Just thought I would mention this. It is not stopping me from enjoying your awesome app at all, just curious about this slider behavior.

    The sliders should gradually add palm and powerchords like you described. I'll take a look and see if I can spot any bugs and will include any fixes in tomorrow's update.

    I suppose everyone has their favourites but I wish you had a payment model like Loopy Pro (if that suits). This app should be developed for many years to come and you should be rewarded for it.

    Adding a "tip jar" (like Jatin Chowdhury has done with his plugins) would seem to be good standard practice for these kinds of apps, even if it is a paid and not a free app.

    Yea, I’m a fan of this too, it can’t hurt. It probably won’t break the bank either, but Those who can give you some extra dough.

  • I'm happy with buying it again, paying via IAP for major features, or with a loopy pro like sub. :) This app has paid for itself since I bought it many times over in terms of fun and satisfaction.

  • Quick question about locking existing measures while adding more. I have a two measure riff that I'd like to extend by one measure without losing what was created before. It seems like when I lock the measures, new measures aren't being added, though.

    I checked to make sure my length parameter isn't locked, so I'm not sure if there's something else I need to check.

    I wonder if anyone has run into this scenario too.

  • Hmm, it sounds like a bug to me. The length control should update the riff instantly and should work the same way when locks are enabled. So you're finding that when locks are enabled the length control doesn't update the riff?

    @AlexY said:
    Quick question about locking existing measures while adding more. I have a two measure riff that I'd like to extend by one measure without losing what was created before. It seems like when I lock the measures, new measures aren't being added, though.

    I checked to make sure my length parameter isn't locked, so I'm not sure if there's something else I need to check.

    I wonder if anyone has run into this scenario too.

  • @jon_bell said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @jon_bell said:

    @NeuM said:

    I might be making a heretical suggestion here, but have you looked into modeling your guitar sounds? I just bought Strum GS-2 from Applied Audio Engineering and I'm able to get some of the most credible guitar sounds I've ever heard from a simulated guitar on macOS. Might something like this be possible for your app? Keep up the great work.

    I'd love to include some kind of guitar / amp modelling but I think it's something that would be way beyond my capabilities! Hopefully once I get midi output added it will be possible to link up to another app to achieve the same effect.

    Thanks for all the work you do on this app, it’s one of my favorites on the App Store.

    I wanted to ask, are there any plans for AUv3/IAA support? Is that what you mean for midi support and such?

    I'm working on adding Ableton Link at the moment, after that I'll be adding midi out and hopefully AUv3.

    Awesome! Can’t wait, thanks for all the hard work

  • edited April 2022

    @jon_bell said:
    Hmm, it sounds like a bug to me. The length control should update the riff instantly and should work the same way when locks are enabled. So you're finding that when locks are enabled the length control doesn't update the riff?

    I wasn't able to reproduce it with my latest riff, so it's either a corrupted file or user error of some kind. The strange thing is that when I go to edit the chord progressions, I see the new measures added, and the same thing when I go to look at the locks. I'll keep poking around. Thanks!

    Edit: what I don't see is the measures added to the tablature view for this particular riff, which is why I think I messed up some settings or maybe it got corrupted.

  • @AlexY said:

    @jon_bell said:
    Hmm, it sounds like a bug to me. The length control should update the riff instantly and should work the same way when locks are enabled. So you're finding that when locks are enabled the length control doesn't update the riff?

    I wasn't able to reproduce it with my latest riff, so it's either a corrupted file or user error of some kind. The strange thing is that when I go to edit the chord progressions, I see the new measures added, and the same thing when I go to look at the locks. I'll keep poking around. Thanks!

    Edit: what I don't see is the measures added to the tablature view for this particular riff, which is why I think I messed up some settings or maybe it got corrupted.

    Was it an older save file? Older save files don't correctly support updating the length control. The extra bars will be empty and won't show in the tab.

  • @jon_bell said:

    @AlexY said:

    @jon_bell said:
    Hmm, it sounds like a bug to me. The length control should update the riff instantly and should work the same way when locks are enabled. So you're finding that when locks are enabled the length control doesn't update the riff?

    I wasn't able to reproduce it with my latest riff, so it's either a corrupted file or user error of some kind. The strange thing is that when I go to edit the chord progressions, I see the new measures added, and the same thing when I go to look at the locks. I'll keep poking around. Thanks!

    Edit: what I don't see is the measures added to the tablature view for this particular riff, which is why I think I messed up some settings or maybe it got corrupted.

    Was it an older save file? Older save files don't correctly support updating the length control. The extra bars will be empty and won't show in the tab.

    No, this was actually a fairly recent one. Two weeks old at most.

  • @jon_bell

    Firstly, I’d like to say that the tremolo picking option is excellent. Exactly what I needed to aid with riff writing. Thank you very much for implementing it.

    I just want to ask, is there any kind song arrangement/structure options in the pipeline for future updates?

    Thank you again for all your work on probably my favourite app on IOS!

  • Sounds like a bug. I'll try and replicate it and get it fixed.

    @AlexY said:

    @jon_bell said:

    @AlexY said:

    @jon_bell said:
    Hmm, it sounds like a bug to me. The length control should update the riff instantly and should work the same way when locks are enabled. So you're finding that when locks are enabled the length control doesn't update the riff?

    I wasn't able to reproduce it with my latest riff, so it's either a corrupted file or user error of some kind. The strange thing is that when I go to edit the chord progressions, I see the new measures added, and the same thing when I go to look at the locks. I'll keep poking around. Thanks!

    Edit: what I don't see is the measures added to the tablature view for this particular riff, which is why I think I messed up some settings or maybe it got corrupted.

    Was it an older save file? Older save files don't correctly support updating the length control. The extra bars will be empty and won't show in the tab.

    No, this was actually a fairly recent one. Two weeks old at most.

  • @jon_bell said:
    Sounds like a bug. I'll try and replicate it and get it fixed.

    @AlexY said:

    @jon_bell said:

    @AlexY said:

    @jon_bell said:
    Hmm, it sounds like a bug to me. The length control should update the riff instantly and should work the same way when locks are enabled. So you're finding that when locks are enabled the length control doesn't update the riff?

    I wasn't able to reproduce it with my latest riff, so it's either a corrupted file or user error of some kind. The strange thing is that when I go to edit the chord progressions, I see the new measures added, and the same thing when I go to look at the locks. I'll keep poking around. Thanks!

    Edit: what I don't see is the measures added to the tablature view for this particular riff, which is why I think I messed up some settings or maybe it got corrupted.

    Was it an older save file? Older save files don't correctly support updating the length control. The extra bars will be empty and won't show in the tab.

    No, this was actually a fairly recent one. Two weeks old at most.

    I can email you the Riffler file, if that works :)

  • Thanks!

    I'd love to add a song arranger. Something like being able to take the saved riffs and then drag them around as blocks. You could then arrange several riffs in a song by dragging, copying, pasting, etc. It would be nice to layer several riffs together for lead, rhythm, etc.

    I'll definitely be adding this feature but it will quite time consuming so it's just balancing the time with the other jobs that need doing.

    @FesteringMike said:
    @jon_bell

    Firstly, I’d like to say that the tremolo picking option is excellent. Exactly what I needed to aid with riff writing. Thank you very much for implementing it.

    I just want to ask, is there any kind song arrangement/structure options in the pipeline for future updates?

    Thank you again for all your work on probably my favourite app on IOS!

  • @AlexY said:

    @jon_bell said:
    Sounds like a bug. I'll try and replicate it and get it fixed.

    @AlexY said:

    @jon_bell said:

    @AlexY said:

    @jon_bell said:
    Hmm, it sounds like a bug to me. The length control should update the riff instantly and should work the same way when locks are enabled. So you're finding that when locks are enabled the length control doesn't update the riff?

    I wasn't able to reproduce it with my latest riff, so it's either a corrupted file or user error of some kind. The strange thing is that when I go to edit the chord progressions, I see the new measures added, and the same thing when I go to look at the locks. I'll keep poking around. Thanks!

    Edit: what I don't see is the measures added to the tablature view for this particular riff, which is why I think I messed up some settings or maybe it got corrupted.

    Was it an older save file? Older save files don't correctly support updating the length control. The extra bars will be empty and won't show in the tab.

    No, this was actually a fairly recent one. Two weeks old at most.

    I can email you the Riffler file, if that works :)

    Thanks, that would be very helpful!

  • @jon_bell said:

    @AlexY said:

    I can email you the Riffler file, if that works :)

    Thanks, that would be very helpful!

    I just emailed it to the support email addy. 👍

  • @AlexY said:

    @jon_bell said:

    @AlexY said:

    I can email you the Riffler file, if that works :)

    Thanks, that would be very helpful!

    I just emailed it to the support email addy. 👍

    Got it, thanks!

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  • @jon_bell slightly off thread title but does Jazz Solo Creator have a tempo setting anywhere? I bought it recently and I like what it can do, but it be super clutch to be able to set the tempo. Not only to set it where you want for the song, but if you can slow it down, it’s easier to learn /play it, then speed it up once you got it down. Thanks.

  • Unfortunately there aren't any tempo options in Jazz Solo Creator. It was an app I made a long time ago now and it has very limited options compared to Riffler.

  • A quick update on the AUv3 version. I've got the basic app running in AUM but it is still lacking a UI and lots of features. Whilst I'm adding the UI I'm going to use this opportunity to update the tablature output to allow for editable notes.

    Here's a screenshot of where I am at the moment:
    https://twitter.com/RifflerApp/status/1515679933749776391

  • @jon_bell said:
    A quick update on the AUv3 version. I've got the basic app running in AUM but it is still lacking a UI and lots of features. Whilst I'm adding the UI I'm going to use this opportunity to update the tablature output to allow for editable notes.

    Here's a screenshot of where I am at the moment:
    https://twitter.com/RifflerApp/status/1515679933749776391

    Those two items are huge!

  • I just bought Riffler and had 2 questions that are not a big deal, but I was just wondering:

    1) Is there anyway to follow the playback position, the way most sequencers do?

    2) Is there anyway to start playback from anywhere else but the start of the riff?

  • Can’t wait til they are ready. Out of interest, in note editor will you be able to choose if it is palm muted or a power chord as well? Btw, If you need any beta testers @jon_bell i am more than happy to help out.

    Also, another small request, (another one, I know!) would it be possible to reorder the saved riffs? I have quite a few and they are getting harder to organise!

  • @jon_bell said:
    Unfortunately there aren't any tempo options in Jazz Solo Creator. It was an app I made a long time ago now and it has very limited options compared to Riffler.

    Yea, I have riffler too, since release, huge fan. if you recall I asked you about midi out and a few other things and you said it wouldn’t happen with Jazz Solo Creator, which is cool. I still like the app a lot, especially for $.99 and the ability to load your own chords, but to me it’s just missing one crucial thing and that’s tempo. Obviously it would be nice to have some other advanced features, but It sounds like riffler is the successor so to speak. if there’s any chance you could add a tempo setting to JSC, it would be greatly appreciated. Even if it’s a $.99 IAP I’d definitely buy it. Just to slow it to down for playing along. Thanks.

    PS. Great to here your AU progress with Riffler. It was one of my personal 2021 apps of the year. I can’t wait to use the midi out. Either virtual midi or Au midi.

    While I have ya, in Riffler, I might have mentioned this before, but can’t remember… it would be awesome to send or export 2 separate channels of midi. Midi Channel 1 the riff, Midi Channel 2 the backing chords. That way you can easily have the riff going and have a pad or something playing the chords underneath. Cheers.

  • @jon_bell
    One last thing, with the upcoming Au, are you leaning toward using it as an instrument, audio, or as a AU midi fx, or both? Both would be ideal. That way you can use either the audio, or send the midi out to something else.

  • @cfour said:
    I just bought Riffler and had 2 questions that are not a big deal, but I was just wondering:

    1) Is there anyway to follow the playback position, the way most sequencers do?

    2) Is there anyway to start playback from anywhere else but the start of the riff?

    Not yet but I do plan to add both of those features!

    There is a temporary work around for point 2. Set the time signature to "Advanced" then set the time signature for the unused bars to 0.

    For example if you were working on the 4th bar, lock bars bars 1,2 and 3 and set each one to a time signature of 0. The riff will then start at bar 4 and you won't have to keep waiting for the first 3 bars to play each time.

  • @FesteringMike said:
    Can’t wait til they are ready. Out of interest, in note editor will you be able to choose if it is palm muted or a power chord as well? Btw, If you need any beta testers @jon_bell i am more than happy to help out.

    Also, another small request, (another one, I know!) would it be possible to reorder the saved riffs? I have quite a few and they are getting harder to organise!

    Not yet but I do want to add that feature. Ideally it would be nice to have the option of organising the saved files into separate folders too.

  • ☝🏻Clever!☝🏻

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