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  • @onerez said:
    so maybe this might help me or maybe someone else is struggling.

    Is anyone else fighting off some darkness? My general mood seems to be highly impacted
    by sleep or lack thereof. So, I try to improve my sleep habits and use of caffeine.

  • edited November 2021

    @McD said:

    @onerez said:
    so maybe this might help me or maybe someone else is struggling.

    Is anyone else fighting off some darkness? My general mood seems to be highly impacted
    by sleep or lack thereof. So, I try to improve my sleep habits and use of caffeine.

    Best book I read in 2020.

    https://forum.audiob.us/uploads/editor/mi/iu6xjfsnn7ry.jpeg ""

    Sleep is more important than people think (and I know that people think it’s important).

  • @onerez thinking of you buddy.
    @Montreal_Music so tue.
    Sleep is healing... I suffer neurological problems (ASD/epilepsy)... my sleep is crucial to managing my daily life.... one day at a time.
    Keep going folks.
    Big love
    J
    :)

  • It's bittersweet that I can relate to a lot of the posts here.

    Here are some resources not yet mentioned.

    A book to understand the nature of trauma/ptsd:
    "Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma" by Peter Levine.

    A physiological program (book and cd) to release trauma:
    "Healing Trauma" by Peter Levine.

    Any book by "Marshall Rosenburg" on his non violent communication methodology.

    Then a course (run annually and you choose how much to pay) to implement NVC in daily life:
    https://www.compassioncourse.org/

    Even though these don't directly address depression I've found them very good for it.

  • Solidarity, man. Meds aren’t a magic bullet, and too often they’re used as a way to medicalise stuff that is actually to do with the way society tends to, uh, not work very well. But I’ve been on Prozac for years and am very grateful that it exists.

  • I'm not sure how to say this so I won't.

    But what I will say is that this is the last place I would turn to for help with my mental issues. Not that there aren't valid and heartfelt responses. But when you are really in a bad way, ahh fuck it, it's going to come out all wrong and piss someone off anyway. Get help dude and I hope you get better.

  • @Ailerom said:
    I'm not sure how to say this so I won't.

    But what I will say is that this is the last place I would turn to for help with my mental issues. Not that there aren't valid and heartfelt responses. But when you are really in a bad way, ahh fuck it, it's going to come out all wrong and piss someone off anyway. Get help dude and I hope you get better.

    I have to +1 on this with caveats: this is a place to find kinship and support. But not a place for psychiatric consult.

    I went to the place you're in, nearly didn't survive, 3 tries at self murder etc.

    Sought medical advice and eventually thrived.

    Ive been in the situation you described: how am i supposed seek help and self advocate when i cant get off the f##king floor?
    No idea, but it can be done. Please please please try.

    Since that bout other stuff. Found myself in dire straits years later and found another great diagnostician and and benefited from a new diagnosis (in some ways correcting the previous) New treatment meant a new life

    I send my experience strength and hope but claim zero authority

  • I feel your pain guys. I’m in it now — deep. All the best to you @onerez and @Liquidmantis
    Hoping we can all dig ourselves out. I agree this forum is no substitute for a doctor and meds and therapy but I appreciate reading of other folks experiences. Somehow it makes me feel not so alone in dealing with this.

  • edited November 2021

    I have nothing profound to add, nor am I ready to share my own story just yet.

    However, i did want to add my voice to the list of people who are actively reading this thread, also face great personal challenges and adversity, and wanted to express my solidarity, appreciation and support for the others sharing feelings and experiences here.

  • Hey folks I appreciate all the replies and comments here it’s been great. Just a little clarification obviously never would I choose some random and Internet to give me medical advice but like I stated I am an open book and you never know who you might help or who might help you in different ways. I am going to the doctor next week to start an anti-depressant but I really appreciate the comments in this form like I said this is form like no other that I’ve served the past 20+ years on the Internet. I pray and hope that we all can overcome this who are afflicted with any sort of mental illness for me it’s therapeutical to share openly but it might not be the case for some and I respect and appreciate that.

    Please forgive the above is this is voice to text I hope you all have a great evening

  • I wanted to add that centuries upon centuries of conventional wisdom have treated our internal states and moods as being fundamentally distinct from our body and physical self. As a result, we conflate things like the mood swings that anyone encounters as life has its ups and downs with responses that are primarily the result of brain chemistry. Some people

    Because of this, we often (even when we know better) think that a change of attitude or the force of will is an effective antidote. But sometimes, what one needs is something to help resolve the brain chemistry issues that give rise to the experience that we experience as moods. Unfortunately, we still don't know enough to be as targeted in resolving those issues as we'd like. The same symptoms can have a host of different underlying causes.

    Sometimes, things like exercise and lifestyle changes can influence our brain chemistry in beneficial and effective ways. And sometimes they don't. And for those people for whom those aren't effective by themselves, it can be a really deflating experience to have people assume that because those changes are effective for some that they will be effective for all.

    Talk therapy can be helpful and alleviate some of the immediate pain -- and can be helpful in developing coping mechanisms and understanding ourselves. But for some people it is not enough -- and for some, it isn't relevant. For some people the right medication or right lifestyle change may be more effective -- but for some people it is a really critical part of what helps them.

    I think we all need to be cognizant that there is no one right answer, because there are a host of different underlying physical mechanisms that can give rise to similar symptoms.

    Where medication is concerned, what works brilliantly for one might not work for someone else — but some other medication might be great. It can take a few tries to find something that works. I think our society still, sadly, has a lot of people that treat the use of medication as a sign of weakness, but they can be life-saving and provide relief for needless suffering for some people. There are some for whom they don’t work but I know quite a few people whose lives were transformed for the better.

    A lot of people worry that these medicines will dull them or reduce their creativity. But that is often based on the drugs used decades ago.

    Unfortunately, for some people they don’t work well. But for some they are life-changing.

  • Has anyone followed the option of micro-dosing psilocybin mushrooms for depression and PTSD
    treatment? I've read good things.

  • I just know deep down that somehow, someday, we’re going to finally realize that this can be fixed with duct tape, just like everything else.

  • McDMcD
    edited November 2021

    @wim said:
    I just know deep down that somehow, someday, we’re going to finally realize that this can be fixed with duct tape, just like everything else.

    Sure but my then there will be enough Drambo updates with extra modules that you can also solve this in Drambo. Assuming you have an M1 iPad, of course, with the iAirBrain implants and an iNeutrino Network.

    The duct tape is required to block the (Facebook) Meta scanners.

    Sorry... mushrooms kickin' in.

  • Big hug from Manchester, UK, Charlie. I hope you are feeling better.

    Cheers
    Anthony

  • @wim said:
    I just know deep down that somehow, someday, we’re going to finally realize that this can be fixed with duct tape, just like everything else.

    That is hilarious!

  • Just wanted to add another voice to say that I hope you please continue to put one foot in front of the other until the sun comes out for you again. For all the people that care about you <3

  • @McD said:
    Has anyone followed the option of micro-dosing psilocybin mushrooms for depression and PTSD
    treatment? I've read good things.

    Scoring the mushrooms would be my challenge. I'm so vanilla I don't even know anyone who could sell me weed.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @McD said:
    Has anyone followed the option of micro-dosing psilocybin mushrooms for depression and PTSD
    treatment? I've read good things.

    Scoring the mushrooms would be my challenge. I'm so vanilla I don't even know anyone who could sell me weed.

    That's depressing. We still have beer. (Drink Responsibly).

  • @McD said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @McD said:
    Has anyone followed the option of micro-dosing psilocybin mushrooms for depression and PTSD
    treatment? I've read good things.

    Scoring the mushrooms would be my challenge. I'm so vanilla I don't even know anyone who could sell me weed.

    That's depressing. We still have beer. (Drink Responsibly).

    I haven’t been following the option, but I do live in a USA State that approved a year ago to have psilocybin clinics. They didn’t legalize mushrooms, though they did “decriminalize” small doses of any drug. The psilocybin clinics they will be making are supposed to come out within about 2 years. So, that means about a year from now. You get medical grade doses not a mushroom cap from what I understand.

    As for what folks call “weed”, well I just moved to a small city the smallest I have ever lived in and they have shops that sell the “weed”.

  • edited November 2021

    Every person that I know that are depressed are doing a least one of theses things:

    • Drink too much
    • Smoke too much
    • Sleep less than 8 hours a night
    • Eat junk
    • Don't exercise

    Yes I know, life is hard and sometimes brutal (I'm in the middle of something really hard right now), but you have to control what you can control.

    My best friend cannot stop finding excuses to have nothing to change in his life. It's tough to change, it's really tough. I told him to stop drinking and to try to sleep at least 7 hours each night, but he think it's not gonna change anything. It's laziness, that's it. It's harsh to say, but sometimes, you need to be honest with yourself and it hurts really bad the ego. I'm not speaking about OP that I did not know, just about my friend. A friend is someone who can tell you the truth if the truth is painful.

    Even if your life will be 5% better, it's worth a try.

  • Thanks for sharing and I’m happy to see the support and advice from this lovely community.
    But unfortunately we are virtual community. Hope u will find a physical community. It made a big difference for me as I suffered from depression.

    What also helped is to practice gratitude.

  • edited November 2021

    @Montreal_Music said:
    Every person that I know that are depressed are doing a least one of theses things:

    • Drink too much
    • Smoke too much
    • Sleep less than 8 hours a night
    • Eat junk
    • Don't exercise

    Yes I know, life is hard and sometimes brutal (I'm in the middle of something really hard right now), but you have to control what you can control.

    My best friend cannot stop finding excuses to have nothing to change in his life. It's tough to change, it's really tough. I told him to stop drinking and to try to sleep at least 7 hours each night, but he think it's not gonna change anything. It's laziness, that's it. It's harsh to say, but sometimes, you need to be honest with yourself and it hurts really bad the ego. I'm not speaking about OP that I did not know, just about my friend. A friend is someone who can tell you the truth if the truth is painful.

    Even if your life will be 5% better, it's worth a try.

    Until you've been there, don't judge or pretend to truly comprehend. While the things you list are definitely destructive behaviors, they're also just as likely to be coping mechanisms and symptoms of depression. Judging, telling people they're lazy, and that they just need to snap out of it only compounds issues by decreasing self-worth.

    How about instead you show up and ask if he wants to go for a walk in the park? Changing those behaviors would definitely be beneficial, but when you're in the thrall of depression, making a meal or leaving the house can seem like a Herculean effort, so changes have to be made at the micro-level. Be supportive rather than another trigger. Maybe you both can take the time to talk out what you're going through, realize you're not alone in a world of happiness, and release to each other.

  • @Liquidmantis said:

    @Montreal_Music said:
    Every person that I know that are depressed are doing a least one of theses things:

    • Drink too much
    • Smoke too much
    • Sleep less than 8 hours a night
    • Eat junk
    • Don't exercise

    Yes I know, life is hard and sometimes brutal (I'm in the middle of something really hard right now), but you have to control what you can control.

    My best friend cannot stop finding excuses to have nothing to change in his life. It's tough to change, it's really tough. I told him to stop drinking and to try to sleep at least 7 hours each night, but he think it's not gonna change anything. It's laziness, that's it. It's harsh to say, but sometimes, you need to be honest with yourself and it hurts really bad the ego. I'm not speaking about OP that I did not know, just about my friend. A friend is someone who can tell you the truth if the truth is painful.

    Even if your life will be 5% better, it's worth a try.

    Until you've been there, don't judge or pretend to truly comprehend. While the things you list are definitely destructive behaviors, they're also just as likely to be coping mechanisms and symptoms of depression. Judging, telling people they're lazy, and that they just need to snap out of it only compounds issues by decreasing self-worth.

    How about instead you show up and ask if he wants to go for a walk in the park? Changing those behaviors would definitely be beneficial, but when you're in the thrall of depression, making a meal or leaving the house can seem like a Herculean effort, so changes have to be made at the micro-level. Be supportive rather than another trigger. Maybe you both can take the time to talk out what you're going through, realize you're not alone in a world of happiness, and release to each other.

    100% this
    A very close relative of mine is depressed. He Doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, eats well, exercises regularly and tries to sleep 8 hours a night. He's 13 and went through a trauma at a young age. It's hard trying to help someone with depression. But not as hard as it is for them living with it.

  • IMO, we should not overestimate the lay help we can give to someone suffering from depression. I had a deep friend in my twenties who has since commented suicide. I would spend many hours a week trying to cheer him up, and there was some uplift, but as soon as I left his original frame of mind returned. Yes, a walk in the park helps… but only for the moment. I’m not saying it is not appreciated, or not to do it, but there are much greater forces at work.

  • A family member who I deeply love has recently been diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder. It's not easy but he is loved by many people.

    Remember that you are loved by many people as well. Try to reach out for help. You can get through this.

  • @Montreal_Music said:
    Every person that I know that are depressed are doing a least one of theses things:

    • Drink too much
    • Smoke too much
    • Sleep less than 8 hours a night
    • Eat junk
    • Don't exercise

    Yes I know, life is hard and sometimes brutal (I'm in the middle of something really hard right now), but you have to control what you can control.

    My best friend cannot stop finding excuses to have nothing to change in his life. It's tough to change, it's really tough. I told him to stop drinking and to try to sleep at least 7 hours each night, but he think it's not gonna change anything. It's laziness, that's it. It's harsh to say, but sometimes, you need to be honest with yourself and it hurts really bad the ego. I'm not speaking about OP that I did not know, just about my friend. A friend is someone who can tell you the truth if the truth is painful.

    Even if your life will be 5% better, it's worth a try.

    People that suffer from true depression can suffer from it even if they do all the things on your list. Taking care of oneself can help influence it to a degree...but depending on how serious it is, the difference may be small compared to the overall symptoms.

    Depression is not just feeling sad or down. It isn't failure of will. Proposing that depression is primarily the result of poor life choices is ignorant and can be harmful.

  • edited November 2021

    @McD said:
    Has anyone followed the option of micro-dosing psilocybin mushrooms for depression and PTSD
    treatment? I've read good things.

    Ive tried this before. I've found it a waste of good acid.
    I usually feel like a million bucks for a good few weeks after going to the moon.

  • Feel like I'm pre depressed right now... how to cope with that feeling and don't let myself to fall into depression?

  • I ended up going back on an anti depressant cos it was getting overwhelming for me. They worked pretty well for me quite a few years back so I’m hoping this will as well once I’ve been on it long enough. Depression fucking sucks

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