Apartheid is Fascism ( or: your crypto won’t save you when the jackboots come-a-marching).

NeuM

@sevenape said:

@NeuM said:

@sevenape said:

@NeuM said:

@sevenape said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:
It is very rich to me that some people feel free to loosely use socialist, marxist, collectivist, communist as smears for people whose politics they don't like and then become very particular about people being too loose in how they use 'fascist' -- which speaks to the point raised earlier.

It’s not a smear, friend. Members of Antifa ARE IN FACT self-described Marxists, Communists and Socialists. These are all failed philosophies and systems of government. It’s not unfair to point this out. They fail because they ignore human nature. In systems which do not respect individual rights (including free speech, the right of self-defense and individual property rights protections), you have authoritarian governments.

First, as you know, Antifa is not really a "thing" and to the extent that it is, it represents a minuscule number of people on the left -- unless by antifa you mean the broader group of people that are anti-fascist -- which is the majority of Americans.

You and at least one other person in this conversation have in other discussions labeled people and policies socialist that aren't. We've been through this before. I'll refrain from taking this thread down that rabbit hole.

Aha. The good old, “Antifa doesn’t exist, it’s an idea” lie. Well, that “idea” murders and assaults people in the streets, sets buildings and businesses on fire and in the US played a big part of causing billions of dollars of damages nationwide.

What exactly is “anti-fascist” about beating people in the streets? What is “anti-fascist” about looting and destroying small businesses? These halfwits are anti-capitalist Communist stooges.

I’d like one good explanation from any member of this violent Leftist movement to explain in detail what is their end game. Because they don’t have one. Just like any member of a terror group, they never consider where and when their violence will stop.

Please furnish us with facts about the rates of murder from the antifa movement in the US compared with that of the extreme right.

This “they are murdering people on the streets” stuff is complete bullshit.

I take it there is a clique here who all self-identify as “Antifa”. If so, you’re going to love this from 2019.

https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-far-left-violence-extremism-deadly-year-opnion-1477065

And more recently: https://nypost.com/2021/01/30/how-a-portland-radical-murdered-a-trump-supporter/

Andy ngo is a well known provocateur. He will say any old shit for hits.

Here’s a piece for you then.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa

LOL. You missed this part.

“Editor’s note: Since this piece was published in July 2020, the data has changed: domestic terrorism experts now link one homicide in the US to a self-described anti-fascist, the first such killing in 25 years.”

Never mind the billions of dollars of damage done, of course.

And again, WHAT IS “ANTI-FASCIST” about destroying small businesses? Antifa are Communists, Marxists and Socialists who want chaos and to overthrow rule of law and government, from top to bottom. They are the equivalent of Nazi party Brownshirts and they have always been pro-Communist.

Then you missed the part where right wing extremists killed 329 people over the same period.

Anyone who is engaged in acts of murder, assault, looting or wanton destruction for a political purpose should face charges. In fact, anyone engaged in any of those actions should face charges. Do you agree?

NeuM

@tahiche said:
Antifa = anti fascism = against fascism

That’s as basic as semantics go.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. They’re transnational terrorists who are funded and directed by Marxists in support of Communism. Everyone attached to Antifa should be charged with terrorism

This has no semantic or historical base, this is a personal and subjective interpretation and meaningless extrapolation. Except, sadly, it’s not even “personal”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

Not even the intellectual Left support the violent psychosis of Antifa.

https://democracyjournal.org/alcove/the-forgotten-roots-of-antifa/

JeffChasteen

@tahiche said:
Antifa = anti fascism = against fascism

That’s as basic as semantics go.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. They’re transnational terrorists who are funded and directed by Marxists in support of Communism. Everyone attached to Antifa should be charged with terrorism

This has no semantic or historical base, this is a personal and subjective interpretation and meaningless extrapolation. Except, sadly, it’s not even “personal”.

Nicely said.
Sweet little sting at the end, as well.

tahiche

@NeuM said:
In the US, we are closer to having a Communist-led government than ever before in our history. The current administration is a catastrophe.

NeuM

@JeffChasteen said:

@tahiche said:
Antifa = anti fascism = against fascism

That’s as basic as semantics go.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. They’re transnational terrorists who are funded and directed by Marxists in support of Communism. Everyone attached to Antifa should be charged with terrorism

This has no semantic or historical base, this is a personal and subjective interpretation and meaningless extrapolation. Except, sadly, it’s not even “personal”.

Nicely said.
Sweet little sting at the end, as well.

You still haven’t answered the most basic questions: Where’s the “fascism”? Who are the “fascists”?

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

dvi

Watch out for the communists! They're coming to take your stuffs.

tahiche

When he is awake, Biden is antifa.

NeuM

@dvi said:
Watch out for the communists! They're coming to take your stuffs.

Even the Communists don’t adhere to the ideas of Communism anymore. They kept the authoritarianism, but quickly got rid of the “share the wealth” part. Antifa are history-ignorant mentally ill stooges.

NeuM

@tahiche said:
When he is awake, Biden is antifa.

When is he awake?

tahiche

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:
When he is awake, Biden is antifa.

When is he awake?

See?. I knew you’d like that. It’s in the pack, man!

JeffChasteen

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@tahiche said:
Antifa = anti fascism = against fascism

That’s as basic as semantics go.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. They’re transnational terrorists who are funded and directed by Marxists in support of Communism. Everyone attached to Antifa should be charged with terrorism

This has no semantic or historical base, this is a personal and subjective interpretation and meaningless extrapolation. Except, sadly, it’s not even “personal”.

Nicely said.
Sweet little sting at the end, as well.

You still haven’t answered the most basic questions: Where’s the “fascism”? Who are the “fascists”?

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

Calm down, Alisa (or if you prefer, Mrs O’Connor)
you are sounding increasingly hysterical.

NeuM

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@tahiche said:
Antifa = anti fascism = against fascism

That’s as basic as semantics go.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. They’re transnational terrorists who are funded and directed by Marxists in support of Communism. Everyone attached to Antifa should be charged with terrorism

This has no semantic or historical base, this is a personal and subjective interpretation and meaningless extrapolation. Except, sadly, it’s not even “personal”.

Nicely said.
Sweet little sting at the end, as well.

You still haven’t answered the most basic questions: Where’s the “fascism”? Who are the “fascists”?

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

Calm down, Alisa (or if you prefer, Mrs O’Connor)
you are sounding increasingly hysterical.

Personal attacks are a sign this thread is about to be closed. Personal attacks are not arguments.

espiegel123

@NeuM said:

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

I am sorry if these seems impolite. You don't know the first thing about what you are talking about. You use socialist, communist, Marxist, collectivist so loosely as to be meaningless.

You talk about the current administration as a catastrophe -- how about the last one? Do you honestly think that the last one -- which tried to orchestrate keeping the President in office despite having clearly lost the election (both electoral and popular) -- was not a catastrophe?

Please answer that question. Is the current administration more of a catastrophe than the last.

JeffChasteen

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@tahiche said:
Antifa = anti fascism = against fascism

That’s as basic as semantics go.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. They’re transnational terrorists who are funded and directed by Marxists in support of Communism. Everyone attached to Antifa should be charged with terrorism

This has no semantic or historical base, this is a personal and subjective interpretation and meaningless extrapolation. Except, sadly, it’s not even “personal”.

Nicely said.
Sweet little sting at the end, as well.

You still haven’t answered the most basic questions: Where’s the “fascism”? Who are the “fascists”?

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

Calm down, Alisa (or if you prefer, Mrs O’Connor)
you are sounding increasingly hysterical.

Personal attacks are a sign this thread is about to be closed. Personal attacks are not arguments.

Neither are your “arguments”

NeuM

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

I am sorry if these seems impolite. You don't know the first thing about what you are talking about. You use socialist, communist, Marxist, collectivist so loosely as to be meaningless.

You talk about the current administration as a catastrophe -- how about the last one? Do you honestly think that the last one -- which tried to orchestrate keeping the President in office despite having clearly lost the election (both electoral and popular) -- was not a catastrophe?

Please answer that question. Is the current administration more of a catastrophe than the last.

Hey, I get it. Those on the political Left didn’t like him. In fact, they rioted, looted and destroyed cities nearly the whole time he was in office. He represented a threat to their entrenched interests, much of which is so emblematic of the Biden administration. In other words, shake down the greater population via taxation to fund “freebies” for Leftists.

After Biden, the swing away from Left extremism is going to be much more severe.

NeuM

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@tahiche said:
Antifa = anti fascism = against fascism

That’s as basic as semantics go.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. They’re transnational terrorists who are funded and directed by Marxists in support of Communism. Everyone attached to Antifa should be charged with terrorism

This has no semantic or historical base, this is a personal and subjective interpretation and meaningless extrapolation. Except, sadly, it’s not even “personal”.

Nicely said.
Sweet little sting at the end, as well.

You still haven’t answered the most basic questions: Where’s the “fascism”? Who are the “fascists”?

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

Calm down, Alisa (or if you prefer, Mrs O’Connor)
you are sounding increasingly hysterical.

Personal attacks are a sign this thread is about to be closed. Personal attacks are not arguments.

Neither are your “arguments”

Face it, you’re not engaging in a discussion. You’re slinging insults.

FordTimeLord

Imagine being so far right that you think Biden is a left wing extremist

ExAsperis99

Please ignore the bad-faith arguer. I'm getting a contact-high from the self-debasement. Let's get back to the interesting music.

NeuM

@ExAsperis99 said:
Please ignore the bad-faith arguer. I'm getting a contact-high from the self-debasement. Let's get back to the interesting music.

Personal attacks are bad faith arguments.

NeuM

@FordTimeLord said:
Imagine being so far right that you think Biden is a left wing extremist

Whoever is making the decisions for Biden is a Left extremist. I don’t assume it’s one person.

sevenape

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

I am sorry if these seems impolite. You don't know the first thing about what you are talking about. You use socialist, communist, Marxist, collectivist so loosely as to be meaningless.

You talk about the current administration as a catastrophe -- how about the last one? Do you honestly think that the last one -- which tried to orchestrate keeping the President in office despite having clearly lost the election (both electoral and popular) -- was not a catastrophe?

Please answer that question. Is the current administration more of a catastrophe than the last.

Hey, I get it. Those on the political Left didn’t like him. In fact, they rioted, looted and destroyed cities nearly the whole time he was in office. He represented a threat to their entrenched interests, much of which is so emblematic of the Biden administration. In other words, shake down the greater population via taxation to fund “freebies” for Leftists.

After Biden, the swing away from Left extremism is going to be much more severe.

I hope the world tilts much more left than Biden!!!!!!!

Krupa

It’s a real shame that the Overton window is so wide open that most people have entirely lost perspective on left vs right politics. In the U.K. right now, we have a socially right wing government, who are forced by a combination of the pandemic and the self imposed sanctions of Brexit to adopt many fiscally left wing policies, and we hardly have an official opposition… yet the same arguments just keep spinning round the room, and those that emote most clearly to the basest of human instinct, desires, and fears seem to keep coming out on top.

JeffChasteen

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@tahiche said:
Antifa = anti fascism = against fascism

That’s as basic as semantics go.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. They’re transnational terrorists who are funded and directed by Marxists in support of Communism. Everyone attached to Antifa should be charged with terrorism

This has no semantic or historical base, this is a personal and subjective interpretation and meaningless extrapolation. Except, sadly, it’s not even “personal”.

Nicely said.
Sweet little sting at the end, as well.

You still haven’t answered the most basic questions: Where’s the “fascism”? Who are the “fascists”?

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

Calm down, Alisa (or if you prefer, Mrs O’Connor)
you are sounding increasingly hysterical.

Personal attacks are a sign this thread is about to be closed. Personal attacks are not arguments.

Neither are your “arguments”

Face it, you’re not engaging in a discussion. You’re slinging insults.

Frankly, that is all you warrant.

espiegel123

@NeuM said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Imagine being so far right that you think Biden is a left wing extremist

Whoever is making the decisions for Biden is a Left extremist. I don’t assume it’s one person.

Biden is barely on the left let alone an extremist. I think you reveal your own extremism if barely-left-of-center is extreme left to you.

You still didn't answer: do you think that the Trump administration was not a catastrophe?

NeuM

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Imagine being so far right that you think Biden is a left wing extremist

Whoever is making the decisions for Biden is a Left extremist. I don’t assume it’s one person.

Biden is barely on the left let alone an extremist. I think you reveal your own extremism if barely-left-of-center is extreme left to you.

You still didn't answer: do you think that the Trump administration was not a catastrophe?

Is Donald Trump still the President?

Here’s the state of the Democrats right now… Kamala Harris called Joe a racist during the primaries. She never took that back, even after he made her VP. That is a real mess. And judging by current polling numbers, neither Harris nor Biden will be able to be re-elected if either are running for President. And Democrats are going to be destroyed in the mid-terms.

But to your point, the choice was between Clinton and Trump. I’m glad Clinton was not elected.

I know the extreme Left would’ve preferred Sanders over Biden, but Sanders never had a chance.

tahiche

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Imagine being so far right that you think Biden is a left wing extremist

Whoever is making the decisions for Biden is a Left extremist. I don’t assume it’s one person.

Biden is barely on the left let alone an extremist. I think you reveal your own extremism if barely-left-of-center is extreme left to you.

You still didn't answer: do you think that the Trump administration was not a catastrophe?

Biden is definitely NOT left of the political center, by any historical or policy standards. It all starts with these little concessions and the “center” ends up being communist. We can’t let the “alt” right any say in defining the axis.

NeuM

@tahiche said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Imagine being so far right that you think Biden is a left wing extremist

Whoever is making the decisions for Biden is a Left extremist. I don’t assume it’s one person.

Biden is barely on the left let alone an extremist. I think you reveal your own extremism if barely-left-of-center is extreme left to you.

You still didn't answer: do you think that the Trump administration was not a catastrophe?

Biden is definitely NOT left of the political center, by any historical or policy standards. It all starts with these little concessions and the “center” ends up being communist. We can’t let the extreme right any say in defining the axis.

You can argue all day whether or not Joe Biden the man is on the Left. His policies are extreme Left, undermine rule of law and directly attack our Constitution. That’s what matters.

ExAsperis99

Why are you engaging with the goal-post mover!? Who said anything about Bernie Sanders! The deftness of deflection is breathtaking.

NeuM

@ExAsperis99 said:
Why are you engaging with the goal-post mover!? Who said anything about Bernie Sanders! The deftness of deflection is breathtaking.

Do try to follow the flow of the conversation.

NeuM

@Krupa said:
It’s a real shame that the Overton window is so wide open that most people have entirely lost perspective on left vs right politics. In the U.K. right now, we have a socially right wing government, who are forced by a combination of the pandemic and the self imposed sanctions of Brexit to adopt many fiscally left wing policies, and we hardly have an official opposition… yet the same arguments just keep spinning round the room, and those that emote most clearly to the basest of human instinct, desires, and fears seem to keep coming out on top.

People have argued for a long time that both of the parties in control in the US are two sides of the same coin. There are very good arguments supporting that viewpoint.