Apartheid is Fascism ( or: your crypto won’t save you when the jackboots come-a-marching).

ExAsperis99

Michael

A warning to the hotheads: getting me involved means Loopy Pro takes longer to finish.

Behave 😉

NeuM

@Michael said:
A warning to the hotheads: getting me involved means Loopy Pro takes longer to finish.

Behave 😉

LOL! 👍

NeuM

@ExAsperis99 said:

Love Martin Short. Ever see Neil Hamburger’s standup act?

JeffChasteen

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@tahiche said:
Antifa = anti fascism = against fascism

That’s as basic as semantics go.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. They’re transnational terrorists who are funded and directed by Marxists in support of Communism. Everyone attached to Antifa should be charged with terrorism

This has no semantic or historical base, this is a personal and subjective interpretation and meaningless extrapolation. Except, sadly, it’s not even “personal”.

Nicely said.
Sweet little sting at the end, as well.

You still haven’t answered the most basic questions: Where’s the “fascism”? Who are the “fascists”?

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

Calm down, Alisa (or if you prefer, Mrs O’Connor)
you are sounding increasingly hysterical.

Personal attacks are a sign this thread is about to be closed. Personal attacks are not arguments.

Neither are your “arguments”

Face it, you’re not engaging in a discussion. You’re slinging insults.

Frankly, that is all you warrant.> @ExAsperis99 said:

Why are you engaging with the goal-post mover!? Who said anything about Bernie Sanders! The deftness of deflection is breathtaking.

You are being charitable.
It is persistent, but I wouldn’t call it deft.

NeuM

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@NeuM said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@tahiche said:
Antifa = anti fascism = against fascism

That’s as basic as semantics go.

Antifa are not anti-fascists. They’re transnational terrorists who are funded and directed by Marxists in support of Communism. Everyone attached to Antifa should be charged with terrorism

This has no semantic or historical base, this is a personal and subjective interpretation and meaningless extrapolation. Except, sadly, it’s not even “personal”.

Nicely said.
Sweet little sting at the end, as well.

You still haven’t answered the most basic questions: Where’s the “fascism”? Who are the “fascists”?

Because to a Communist, anything that isn’t Communism is “bad”.

Calm down, Alisa (or if you prefer, Mrs O’Connor)
you are sounding increasingly hysterical.

Personal attacks are a sign this thread is about to be closed. Personal attacks are not arguments.

Neither are your “arguments”

Face it, you’re not engaging in a discussion. You’re slinging insults.

Frankly, that is all you warrant.> @ExAsperis99 said:

Why are you engaging with the goal-post mover!? Who said anything about Bernie Sanders! The deftness of deflection is breathtaking.

You are being charitable.
It is persistent, but I wouldn’t call it deft.

If you can make a point in favor of your side without personal attacks, you’ll get a response. I always invite the free exchange of ideas.

Krupa

What might be useful information at this point is that from outside the U.S., the common view is that both parties there are further right, both fiscally and socially than those in most other democracies. Thus, compared to here in the U.K. the Democrats hold somewhere around the same position as our right wing mainstream party (the Conservatives). The Republicans are somewhere rightward of that, more so socially than anything else, as to be fair, U.S. fiscal politics are fairly restrained to a heavily deregulated so called ‘free’ market capitalism. Of course, that is caveated by the fact that much of that ‘free’ market is in fact captured by varied interest pools of influence, both from within the U.S. but more and more as their power wanes, from outside… (hence Deutschebank’s deep responsibility in the credit crisis debacle of the late noughties…)

NeuM

@Krupa said:
What might be useful information at this point is that from outside the U.S., the common view is that both parties there are further right, both fiscally and socially than those in most other democracies. Thus, compared to here in the U.K. the Democrats hold somewhere around the same position as our right wing mainstream party (the Conservatives). The Republicans are somewhere rightward of that, more so socially than anything else, as to be fair, U.S. fiscal politics are fairly restrained to a heavily deregulated so called ‘free’ market capitalism. Of course, that is caveated by the fact that much of that ‘free’ market is in fact captured by varied interest pools of influence, both from within the U.S. but more and more as their power wanes, from outside… (hence Deutschebank’s deep responsibility in the credit crisis debacle of the late noughties…)

Frankly, there are few examples of actual “free markets” in the US. All are highly regulated.

espiegel123

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Imagine being so far right that you think Biden is a left wing extremist

Whoever is making the decisions for Biden is a Left extremist. I don’t assume it’s one person.

Biden is barely on the left let alone an extremist. I think you reveal your own extremism if barely-left-of-center is extreme left to you.

You still didn't answer: do you think that the Trump administration was not a catastrophe?

Is Donald Trump still the President?

Here’s the state of the Democrats right now… Kamala Harris called Joe a racist during the primaries. She never took that back, even after he made her VP. That is a real mess. And judging by current polling numbers, neither Harris nor Biden will be able to be re-elected if either are running for President. And Democrats are going to be destroyed in the mid-terms.

But to your point, the choice was between Clinton and Trump. I’m glad Clinton was not elected.

I know the extreme Left would’ve preferred Sanders over Biden, but Sanders never had a chance.

You still haven't answered the question. Please answer, it will help understand where you are coming from. You keep side-stepping the question. It is a simple question. Each time I have asked it you have changed the subject.

Do you think that the Trump administration was not a catastrophe?

espiegel123

@tahiche : I agree that Biden is not even really left of center -- which only further emphasizes how far to the right the American right has become.

sevenape

Guys guys guys. Delta Omicron is an acronym of MEDIA CONTROL.

LET THAT SINK IN

LinearLineman

@BiancaNeve said:

@sevenape said:
I mean as far as I know only one “side” staged a real concerted attempt to end democracy in the states

You truly believe that the bunch of people looking like lost tourists amazed that they had managed to get into the capitol constituted a real concerted attempt to end democracy?

Yes, lost tourists with confederate flagpoles for assaulting police, tasers, hand ties, combat dress, hurling fire extinguishers… lol, a typical day at the NY Museum of Natural History. As far as the concerted attempt to overthrow democracy… we’ll, yeah, they were incited to overturn a lawful election. Let us not forget the Insurrectionist In Chief and his henchmen. Trump, Giuliani, Brooks, Eastman… all just fun loving tourists.

As usual @NeuM i admire you for singlehandedly holding forth even though I totally disagree with almost everything you contend politically. You are a lone voice here as this forum has a way of shutting down strident right wingers. I only wish the demographics of the real world voices was a reflection of the overwhelming liberal concepts expressed here. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

Let us not forget the background here in the US. For the first time in its existence the Supreme Court is removing liberty from it’s citizenry. In this case poor minority women who cannot afford a quick trip to New York for an abortion. It is overturning 50 yrs of rulings with justices making arguments like “a woman’s right isn’t being denied here… she can just have the baby and leave it on the doorstep of an orphanage”. Thank you for the compassion and empathy Justice Barrett! You speak for all women, I’m sure.

So this is what the right wants… like the insurrectionists, just a bit of abortion tourism with some side shopping for baubles at Tiffany’s before returning home to Mississippi and the five kids and three jobs.

Make America Grunt Again. No one can take away MY prognathic right to leaving guns around so my son murders four at his school. If you say otherwise… why, splutter, you're a bloody anti fascist!

Well, @Michael, I think I have the record for shutting most political threads down. This may be your cue. I’m only sorry it's in a Creations thread. See what happens @sevenape when you leave the comfort of SOTMC? I totally defend your right to titles as artistic expression. But if I couldn’t post “Fucking Fugue” well, I guess you're in the same boat. You anti fascist, you.

0tolerance4silence

How is that cool that a single person is enough to shut down a creation thread?

Michael

I want to leave it open so I can read more of @LinearLineman's writing

Krupa

@0tolerance4silence said:
How is that cool that a single person is enough to shut down a creation thread?

Yeah this one was lovely until this afternoon, when that old overton window suddenly flew wide open and sprinkled ungraspable shards of glassy nonsense everywhere…

sevenape

@LinearLineman said:

@BiancaNeve said:

@sevenape said:
I mean as far as I know only one “side” staged a real concerted attempt to end democracy in the states

You truly believe that the bunch of people looking like lost tourists amazed that they had managed to get into the capitol constituted a real concerted attempt to end democracy?

Yes, lost tourists with confederate flagpoles for assaulting police, tasers, hand ties, combat dress, hurling fire extinguishers… lol, a typical day at the NY Museum of Natural History. As far as the concerted attempt to overthrow democracy… we’ll, yeah, they were incited to overturn a lawful election. Let us not forget the Insurrectionist In Chief and his henchmen. Trump, Giuliani, Brooks, Eastman… all just fun loving tourists.

As usual @NeuM i admire you for singlehandedly holding forth even though I totally disagree with almost everything you contend politically. You are a lone voice here as this forum has a way of shutting down strident right wingers. I only wish the demographics of the real world voices was a reflection of the overwhelming liberal concepts expressed here. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

Let us not forget the background here in the US. For the first time in its existence the Supreme Court is removing liberty from it’s citizenry. In this case poor minority women who cannot afford a quick trip to New York for an abortion. It is overturning 50 yrs of rulings with justices making arguments like “a woman’s right isn’t being denied here… she can just have the baby and leave it on the doorstep of an orphanage”. Thank you for the compassion and empathy Justice Barrett! You speak for all women, I’m sure.

So this is what the right wants… like the insurrectionists, just a bit of abortion tourism with some side shopping for baubles at Tiffany’s before returning home to Mississippi and the five kids and three jobs.

Make America Grunt Again. No one can take away MY prognathic right to leaving guns around so my son murders four at his school. If you say otherwise… why, splutter, you're a bloody anti fascist!

Well, @Michael, I think I have the record for shutting most political threads down. This may be your cue. I’m only sorry it's in a Creations thread. See what happens @sevenape when you leave the comfort of SOTMC? I totally defend your right to titles as artistic expression. But if I couldn’t post “Fucking Fugue” well, I guess you're in the same boat. You anti fascist, you.

Can you write my eulogy!?

Anyway yeah I should have kept it in the right place. I’ll blame the brain fog. I stand by the title though.

@michael I’m sorry! On the other hand I’m also imagining what I might make with loopy Mactooty when it’s out!

Krupa

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
What might be useful information at this point is that from outside the U.S., the common view is that both parties there are further right, both fiscally and socially than those in most other democracies. Thus, compared to here in the U.K. the Democrats hold somewhere around the same position as our right wing mainstream party (the Conservatives). The Republicans are somewhere rightward of that, more so socially than anything else, as to be fair, U.S. fiscal politics are fairly restrained to a heavily deregulated so called ‘free’ market capitalism. Of course, that is caveated by the fact that much of that ‘free’ market is in fact captured by varied interest pools of influence, both from within the U.S. but more and more as their power wanes, from outside… (hence Deutschebank’s deep responsibility in the credit crisis debacle of the late noughties…)

Frankly, there are few examples of actual “free markets” in the US. All are highly regulated.

You’re not wrong there, the capture of markets by vested interests with massive government subsidies is so great that people who lean rightward feel as comfortable arguing that real free market capitalism never got the fair hearing it deserved as those who argue that the Soviet union wasn’t a true expression of that ideology…

(For reference, I’m thinking oil here btw subsidised to around 1/2 trillion dollars per year - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02847-2)

JeffChasteen

@sevenape said:
Guys guys guys. Delta Omicron is an acronym of MEDIA CONTROL.

LET THAT SINK IN

ervin

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
In the US, we are closer to having a Communist-led government than ever before in our history. The current administration is a catastrophe.

LOL
Estupendo, mate

JeffChasteen

@LinearLineman said:

@BiancaNeve said:

@sevenape said:
I mean as far as I know only one “side” staged a real concerted attempt to end democracy in the states

You truly believe that the bunch of people looking like lost tourists amazed that they had managed to get into the capitol constituted a real concerted attempt to end democracy?

Yes, lost tourists with confederate flagpoles for assaulting police, tasers, hand ties, combat dress, hurling fire extinguishers… lol, a typical day at the NY Museum of Natural History. As far as the concerted attempt to overthrow democracy… we’ll, yeah, they were incited to overturn a lawful election. Let us not forget the Insurrectionist In Chief and his henchmen. Trump, Giuliani, Brooks, Eastman… all just fun loving tourists.

As usual @NeuM i admire you for singlehandedly holding forth even though I totally disagree with almost everything you contend politically. You are a lone voice here as this forum has a way of shutting down strident right wingers. I only wish the demographics of the real world voices was a reflection of the overwhelming liberal concepts expressed here. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

Let us not forget the background here in the US. For the first time in its existence the Supreme Court is removing liberty from it’s citizenry. In this case poor minority women who cannot afford a quick trip to New York for an abortion. It is overturning 50 yrs of rulings with justices making arguments like “a woman’s right isn’t being denied here… she can just have the baby and leave it on the doorstep of an orphanage”. Thank you for the compassion and empathy Justice Barrett! You speak for all women, I’m sure.

So this is what the right wants… like the insurrectionists, just a bit of abortion tourism with some side shopping for baubles at Tiffany’s before returning home to Mississippi and the five kids and three jobs.

Make America Grunt Again. No one can take away MY prognathic right to leaving guns around so my son murders four at his school. If you say otherwise… why, splutter, you're a bloody anti fascist!

Well, @Michael, I think I have the record for shutting most political threads down. This may be your cue. I’m only sorry it's in a Creations thread. See what happens @sevenape when you leave the comfort of SOTMC? I totally defend your right to titles as artistic expression. But if I couldn’t post “Fucking Fugue” well, I guess you're in the same boat. You anti fascist, you.

Beautifully put, Michael.

Krupa

@ervin said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
In the US, we are closer to having a Communist-led government than ever before in our history. The current administration is a catastrophe.

LOL
Estupendo, mate

What’s amazing is that the Nazi’s made effective use of the Big Lie technique, which is still in use today, but there’s a newer, more contemporary appropriate technique; the Crazy Lie, just keep rolling out a stream of semi nonsense so that anyone who tries to engage with an actual argument is unable to rationally grasp what the source of the nonsense is spouting. In the meantime, bits of that nonsense drop off, and are picked up by passers by and regurgitated later as possible ‘facts’ that they read somewhere, and lots of little lies then propagate around the internet and traditional linear media until most people are so confused and discombobulated they just hold their hands in the air and give up, going on to either not vote, or otherwise participate in meaningful debate, or just randomly choose which side to supper based on ‘feelsz’…

Krupa

I still think the tune and video that opened this thread are lovely…

@sevenape said:
So I’m Covid positive and I did this on my first day off work. It’s a sort of free form wintery and bleak drone song. Over use of piano book but still, I like the sound and it fits the brain fog quite well. It’s made as a background music to a video by a friend of mine. ( not sure if he agrees with me about crypto, but I hope he agrees with me about apartheid).

Have fun. I’m not. This isn’t his film by the way, it’s some cobbled together stuff I made for my YouTube.

ervin

@Krupa said:

@ervin said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
In the US, we are closer to having a Communist-led government than ever before in our history. The current administration is a catastrophe.

LOL
Estupendo, mate

What’s amazing is that the Nazi’s made effective use of the Big Lie technique, which is still in use today, but there’s a newer, more contemporary appropriate technique; the Crazy Lie, just keep rolling out a stream of semi nonsense so that anyone who tries to engage with an actual argument is unable to rationally grasp what the source of the nonsense is spouting. In the meantime, bits of that nonsense drop off, and are picked up by passers by and regurgitated later as possible ‘facts’ that they read somewhere, and lots of little lies then propagate around the internet and traditional linear media until most people are so confused and discombobulated they just hold their hands in the air and give up, going on to either not vote, or otherwise participate in meaningful debate, or just randomly choose which side to supper based on ‘feelsz’…

I'm not sure how this ties in with @tahiche 's brilliant comment or my adoration thereof, but you're not wrong. In general, it's good to see where the overwhelming majority of this community stands on this issue.

Krupa

@ervin said:

@Krupa said:

@ervin said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
In the US, we are closer to having a Communist-led government than ever before in our history. The current administration is a catastrophe.

LOL
Estupendo, mate

What’s amazing is that the Nazi’s made effective use of the Big Lie technique, which is still in use today, but there’s a newer, more contemporary appropriate technique; the Crazy Lie, just keep rolling out a stream of semi nonsense so that anyone who tries to engage with an actual argument is unable to rationally grasp what the source of the nonsense is spouting. In the meantime, bits of that nonsense drop off, and are picked up by passers by and regurgitated later as possible ‘facts’ that they read somewhere, and lots of little lies then propagate around the internet and traditional linear media until most people are so confused and discombobulated they just hold their hands in the air and give up, going on to either not vote, or otherwise participate in meaningful debate, or just randomly choose which side to supper based on ‘feelsz’…

I'm not sure how this ties in with @tahiche 's brilliant comment or my adoration thereof, but you're not wrong. In general, it's good to see where the overwhelming majority of this community stands on this issue.

Sorry, it was a bit left field of me, more referring to the original comment that inspired tahiche’s excellent intervention 😁

NeuM

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@espiegel123 said:

@NeuM said:

@FordTimeLord said:
Imagine being so far right that you think Biden is a left wing extremist

Whoever is making the decisions for Biden is a Left extremist. I don’t assume it’s one person.

Biden is barely on the left let alone an extremist. I think you reveal your own extremism if barely-left-of-center is extreme left to you.

You still didn't answer: do you think that the Trump administration was not a catastrophe?

Is Donald Trump still the President?

Here’s the state of the Democrats right now… Kamala Harris called Joe a racist during the primaries. She never took that back, even after he made her VP. That is a real mess. And judging by current polling numbers, neither Harris nor Biden will be able to be re-elected if either are running for President. And Democrats are going to be destroyed in the mid-terms.

But to your point, the choice was between Clinton and Trump. I’m glad Clinton was not elected.

I know the extreme Left would’ve preferred Sanders over Biden, but Sanders never had a chance.

You still haven't answered the question. Please answer, it will help understand where you are coming from. You keep side-stepping the question. It is a simple question. Each time I have asked it you have changed the subject.

Do you think that the Trump administration was not a catastrophe?

Since you think the Trump administration was a catastrophe, what are you comparing it to?

NeuM

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
What might be useful information at this point is that from outside the U.S., the common view is that both parties there are further right, both fiscally and socially than those in most other democracies. Thus, compared to here in the U.K. the Democrats hold somewhere around the same position as our right wing mainstream party (the Conservatives). The Republicans are somewhere rightward of that, more so socially than anything else, as to be fair, U.S. fiscal politics are fairly restrained to a heavily deregulated so called ‘free’ market capitalism. Of course, that is caveated by the fact that much of that ‘free’ market is in fact captured by varied interest pools of influence, both from within the U.S. but more and more as their power wanes, from outside… (hence Deutschebank’s deep responsibility in the credit crisis debacle of the late noughties…)

Frankly, there are few examples of actual “free markets” in the US. All are highly regulated.

You’re not wrong there, the capture of markets by vested interests with massive government subsidies is so great that people who lean rightward feel as comfortable arguing that real free market capitalism never got the fair hearing it deserved as those who argue that the Soviet union wasn’t a true expression of that ideology…

(For reference, I’m thinking oil here btw subsidised to around 1/2 trillion dollars per year - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02847-2)

In many respects, the US is more of a corporatist system.

LinearLineman

@JeffChasteen said:

@sevenape said:
Guys guys guys. Delta Omicron is an acronym of MEDIA CONTROL.

LET THAT SINK IN

Also, anagram for moronic and a seven letter Scrabble word. Amazing that the Greeks foresaw all this, including Scrabble, 2500 yrs ago. Ah, the insidious consistency of it all!

ExAsperis99

@LinearLineman said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@sevenape said:
Guys guys guys. Delta Omicron is an acronym of MEDIA CONTROL.

LET THAT SINK IN

Also, anagram for moronic and a seven letter Scrabble word. Amazing that the Greeks foresaw all this, including Scrabble, 2500 yrs ago. Ah, the insidious consistency of it all!

Hat tip for that. Wowee.
My day was slightly ruined by learning that tonight's performance of "David Byrne's American Utopia" has been canceled (for the third night in a row) due to an illness in he cast. (Supposedly it's not Covid.) But this has brightened my mood.

sevenape

@LinearLineman said:

@JeffChasteen said:

@sevenape said:
Guys guys guys. Delta Omicron is an acronym of MEDIA CONTROL.

LET THAT SINK IN

Also, anagram for moronic and a seven letter Scrabble word. Amazing that the Greeks foresaw all this, including Scrabble, 2500 yrs ago. Ah, the insidious consistency of it all!

Hahaha beat me with that one

sevenape

@Krupa said:
I still think the tune and video that opened this thread are lovely…

@sevenape said:
So I’m Covid positive and I did this on my first day off work. It’s a sort of free form wintery and bleak drone song. Over use of piano book but still, I like the sound and it fits the brain fog quite well. It’s made as a background music to a video by a friend of mine. ( not sure if he agrees with me about crypto, but I hope he agrees with me about apartheid).

Have fun. I’m not. This isn’t his film by the way, it’s some cobbled together stuff I made for my YouTube.

Thank you so so so much xx