Loopy Pro: Create music, your way.
What is Loopy Pro? — Loopy Pro is a powerful, flexible, and intuitive live looper, sampler, clip launcher and DAW for iPhone and iPad. At its core, it allows you to record and layer sounds in real-time to create complex musical arrangements. But it doesn’t stop there—Loopy Pro offers advanced tools to customize your workflow, build dynamic performance setups, and create a seamless connection between instruments, effects, and external gear.
Use it for live looping, sequencing, arranging, mixing, and much more. Whether you're a live performer, a producer, or just experimenting with sound, Loopy Pro helps you take control of your creative process.
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Actually, the Screen Record button is optional. You add it in the Control Center Settings.
All good in Canada eh!
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This is will be painful for anyone that feels a debt of gratitude to @Micheal for:
the AudioBus - which made the early IOS apps interoperate and prepared the merging market of users for IAA and AUv3 interop.
the audiobus forum - a reasonable civil forum in an uncivil world.
Loopy and Loopy HD and Samplebot and version of the AudioBus app.
@Michael spent months designing and testing a "one man" DAW on a par with few other IOS creations that aim at becoming the core of a powerful workflow. This one centers around the hardware looping world but extended into the realm of the DAW with AUv3 hosting capabilities and audio tracking and manipulation.
Here's what happens when you aim for this level of interoperability in an App... click at your own peril. Sometimes people are partially right but incredibly impatient:
Example Negative Reviews
TWO STAR REVIEW
Not ready for prime time
I get a ton of stuck notes and AUs crashing, then having to reload. Very sloppy initial release, feels like it was rushed for a pre Christmas release. Doesn't help that the manual isn't available yet, and that the tutorial has a patronizing feel to it. Here's an idea, maybe get your act together and release a solid product first? That way you won't have to color it with fake smiles, as its quality will speak for itself.
ONE STAR REVIEW
Subscription 👎🏼👎🏼 so they’ll just released small updates every year to make you feel that you no longer have the newest and greatest Version so that your re-buying it every year No Thank You. Greed ruins companies it always has & it always will
Please review the app on the App Store after investing the time required to appreciate the effort involved and the potential future of this amazing new DAW app.
Yeah, those were a bit heartbreaking to see at first – just have to learn to block those ones out I suppose
You offer people a chance to try the app out for free before deciding whether or not to part with their money, and someone calls it psychological manipulation to buy the app.
That doesn't even make sense!?!!
Maybe there's just too much indirect verbiage in the "paywall" popup. The copy is cute, but people just don't read. Maybe you need to keep it more simple, like: "To start your unrestricted 7 Day FREE trial tap here. You can choose to purchase the app at any time if you choose by tapping here."
You must have a higher percentage of people in your country who can read.
@tja: a couple of things:
Add Midi is for adding non-audio plug ins as midi controllers. A MIDI slot on the mixer (just like a MIDI node in AUM) generates no sound. Animoog Z can be midi controller without audio. Anything that is an audio instrument should be loaded using the Add Audio Unit Input.
You mentioned that Turnado didn't show up for you as an Audio Unit. Add Audio Unit Input displays audio units that can generate sound but not those that are only effects. You can't load Turnado in an instrument/input slot in AUM, either. It can only be loaded in an effect slot.
I imagine that Michael will get the MIDI routing from Turnado sussed out now that it has been reported.
There are two things of note here. There is a known issue with some midi sequencers not working right when hosted in Loopy Pro. The other is that no matter what host you are in, Atom 2 does not accurately record and play back Animoog Z MIDI. It is one of the reasons that one of Moog's engineers wrote the MIDI Tape Recorder AU that is about to be released.
Once LP's issues with MIDI sequencing AU's is sussed out (which I imagine will be soon), the free MIDI Tape Recorder AU will be the AU to use for recording Animoog Z MIDI.
We need to find and popularize a name for this App Business Model... suggestions?
Future Proof App Funding
User Funded Development Model
Periodic Update Funding Model
The Upgrade Train Model
Expect any complex platform app to use this (or the IAP "new features") model to justify
years of maintenance.
Drambo is using the IAP model but the clock it ticking as the user base levels off and new sales slow.
NanoStudio 2 didn't justify implementing the roadmap.
Cubasis 3 might loose the support of Steinberg management to keep the team alive.
ZenStudio found a hardware vendor to keep the team alive.
Reason backed out of an IOS strategy.
Beatmaker and Auria Pro seem to be treading water.
Xequence became Xequence 2.
I think we know @Michael errs on the side of complete honesty. He asked for input on
"future proofed" pricing models to commit to remaining an IOS developer. Needless to say he could choose alternative methods of funding his future but he's in this to make it work
for everyone.
I respect the full disclosure at release... of course new business models are requests for anger. App crashes are also (unintended) requests for anger.
I'll buy the app and any additional IAP's or opportunities to support @Michael for the money he has saved me by making IOS a viable music production platform at incredible discounts over the hardware and desktop/laptop marketplaces.
People do want software to work and be stable. It's just that the test matrix for an app that hosts AUv3 app is so vast it cannot ever be fully tested. Just patched or modified by user behaviors.
If this *doesn't work" I would support a Patreon to keep the forum active while he focuses on maintenance of his apps.
The next few months will be difficult for @Michael if "he builds it" and "they just don't buy it." in sufficient volumes. It's a potential "death march". Do your part.
Wow just read some of the negative reviews in the US Store. Some people really should not be allowed to operate electronic devices.
All the negative diatribe is completely unfounded and without merit and just full of pure malice.
You know what they say, “Some people will never be happy, no matter how much they suck the life and air out of a room…”
Errr at least i think that’s the saying 🤪
It does make the blood boil to see a good developer get slimed.
But I think the complaint about app crashes is perfectly understandable but misguided. It's up to the buyer to place anecdotal "crashes" into context... maybe they wait to see if a particular AUv3 behavior gets patched in an update. A well written review just states the
behavior to allow someone to make an informed decision.
Would we have wanted to wait another 6-12 months of beta testing to cover 100+ AUv3 apps in all the potential configurations? @Michael probably has to buy the app to "fix" the issue or at least contact the developer to assist in the troubleshooting exercise which can take weeks to pin down assuming both parties have the cycles for the effort.
Never assume.
Find your own solutions is my motto. If it hurts... stop doing that. Of course, a good user can really help in the troubleshooting process and many will but we want new features and maybe some AUv3's just don't prove stable. Get a life. If it's broke... don't use it when 2 apps are involved. Something combinations just don't integrate into stable solutions. Document the issue and move on to make music another way.
The complaint about greed thinking it's a "subscription" is a lack of developers enforcing this model... at their peril. It will sort itself out since most people don't buy a dozen DAW's like we do. DAW's require great tutorials to show an apps power and productivity benefits and justify the total costs. A DAW without a future can be a bad investment... YMMV.
In lieu of the upcoming manual, can anyone explain two basic operations in LP:
—how to “save as….”
—replace an AU audio source in a channel—that is, change the AUV3 instrument without having to create a new AU input then re-build the entire channel (preserving the sends and effects in the track).
Simple, yes?
Press Duplicate Project. Change the name of the project at the top if you wish.
At this time you can't, unfortunately. This will be addressed.
Until then it's best to set up FX and routing on colors and make the loops the color that you need. You'll also need to change the input monitoring for the app to the color. Input monitoring is set with the gear icon in the app window.
Busses will work for this too, but I prefer to use colors.
I would avoid anything that implies this is some strange or newfangled sales model. The sales model seems strange only to people who have been weaned on the whacky "purchase once with free upgrades forever" default Appstore model. In actuality it's the way most consumer desktop software has been sold since, say, 1980.
I disagree... this model has hardly anything to do with how desktop apps sell.
On desktop when a major update drops you have the incentive to purchase because you’re presented with a set of new features. Also the update cycle can vary from 2 to up to even 5 years.
With this model you are buying into what’s already there with a ‘promise’ of what’s to come... there is no incentive to update next year this time around because there is nothing ‘new’ for you. You may put off you next purchase until you see something new actually drops, and even then you may hold because of rumours / roadmap whatnot. If as a dev you start to ‘play’ with what gets in the app when - to create incentive to purchase, which is perfectly understandable - users will no doubt criticise that and wait out new features even more.
Additionally, I think no complex app should be available for free. For those who appreciate these things, there will be no question if it’s worth the price, but the remaining majority of the users will only be frustrated with the depth, leaving bad reviews which is crucial on AppStore.
That said, as soon as iOS13 fix is available, I’ll be jumping right in.
I thought this is how LP is? It isn’t? Can’t you buy it, use it indefinitely then update when you want to pay?
Samplitude is annual, as is Maya, 3DSMax and ZBrush
Are Atom2 and Koala being hosted in LoopyPro. I’m trying to replicate the setup but my UI looks different with Atom 2 and Koala hosted in LoopPro.
Any insight is appreciated.
Thanks.
My understanding is that it isn’t. You buy today and receive fixes and features for the next year. What exactly will make you want to update next year? I understand that for many here - me included - M as a dev is a good enough guarantee, but will that be enough?
Would you buy the next Samplitude based on ‘we’re planning to add new features’?
Edit: after your edit... yes, you can use it, but the point of this model would be to make development sustainable, which imo only could work if there is always good enough reason to update.
I don’t understand what you are saying. You aren’t purchasing on a promise of what is to come any more than with any desktop app. If you don’t like what is there now, don’t buy it. You can wait till it has the features you want. There will be ongoing development during the course of the year and if it is missing features you feel are essential, wait till it has them.