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Sitala (drum sampler) coming to iOS / iPadOS, looking for feedback

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  • I'll see if I can track down the WWDC session where this was demonstrated with giving an app access to an entire folder of files for batch processing.

    First app to my knowledge that used these functions in the wild was LumaFusion as it allows one to work with video-files where ever they are stored by directly linking to them.

  • @luzifer said:

    @j_liljedahl said:
    That's really cool, and has totally flewn over my radar :) Do you mind pointing me to the docs regarding this? Or are you using a document picker first to pick a folder and saving a bookmark for that?

    That's pretty much it. You need a UIDocumentPicker in folder mode to get the security scoped bookmark. Once you have the bookmark you can access all of the folder's children.

    Right, yes I knew about this already, and this is what I've planned to use in AudioShare3. I was hoping one could now get a security scoped bookmark for the root file system (or specific known top level locations), but we still need to use UIDocumentPicker (which has the bug/design flaw/limitation that it can't open folder UTIs from File Providers)

  • Please add random sample order already :(

  • Hi folks --

    We've just released Sitala 1.3 for iOS. Here's the stuff that's new:

    • Two new drum kits: "Hip Hop Ultra" and "Future Retro Pop"

    Finger drumming:

    • Gated mode: sample stops playing when the finger is removed from the pad
    • Finger drumming mode: four additional large auxiliary pads for more control
    • Velocity sensitive pads

    MIDI Mapping:

    • Pad selection via MIDI
    • "Universal" MIDI mapping: MIDI controls selected pad
    • Select previous / next sample via MIDI

    Other improvements:

    • Reworked mute and solo buttons that are always visible
    • Improvements to "shape" knob for longer samples

    As usual, available in the app store.


  • @scotchi said:
    Hi folks --

    We've just released Sitala 1.3 for iOS. Here's the stuff that's new:

    • Two new drum kits: "Hip Hop Ultra" and "Future Retro Pop"

    Finger drumming:

    • Gated mode: sample stops playing when the finger is removed from the pad
    • Finger drumming mode: four additional large auxiliary pads for more control
    • Velocity sensitive pads

    MIDI Mapping:

    • Pad selection via MIDI
    • "Universal" MIDI mapping: MIDI controls selected pad
    • Select previous / next sample via MIDI

    Other improvements:

    • Reworked mute and solo buttons that are always visible
    • Improvements to "shape" knob for longer samples

    As usual, available in the app store.


    Amazing update! Thanks!

  • edited December 2022

    I have really come to like this drum/sound host. Super fast and flexible for tonal and rhythmic bits

  • edited December 2022

    As of today, we've also decided to drop the price down to $5 for a week to celebrate the new release and holidays.

  • Very nice design kudos

  • Are velocity layers anywhere in the roadmap?. I love the UI and simplicity of Sitala, also the amazing file browser. But for acoustic libraries I really want some velocity variation (3 samples is enough in my case).
    I ven built a Drambo velocity-to-pad module to map velocities to Sitala pads. Spent a lot of time getting it done only to find out that I needed more pads…
    Keep up the great work!.

  • @tahiche said:
    Are velocity layers anywhere in the roadmap?

    It's something we'd love to work on, but don't have a concrete plan for yet. Our short term plans are that now with this release out the door we're finally going to release a desktop update (since there's a bunch of stuff on iOS that hasn't yet seen a desktop release) and then try to figure out what's next on the to-do list, partly based on the reactions we get to this release.

  • edited December 2022

    @scotchi You know, something I just discovered (having only used the desktop version of this before and never the iOS version)… it is far too easy to move trigger pads while using this. If you pause your fingers for just a second while playing it’s possible to accidentally drag a pad to a different location. There needs to be a lock/unlock icon on the top of the layout just for the pads so they aren’t accidentally being moved around. Thanks.

  • @NeuM said:
    @scotchi You know, something I just discovered (having only used the desktop version of this before and never the iOS version)… it is far too easy to move trigger pads while using this. If you pause your fingers for just a second while playing it’s possible to accidentally drag a pad to a different location. There needs to be a lock/unlock icon on the top of the layout just for the pads so they aren’t accidentally being moved around. Thanks.

    That's something we'll probably end up adding. We considered it for this release, but tried to get around it by being a little bit smarter on drag detection vs. playing notes, so it's interesting for us that you're still hitting it.

  • edited December 2022

    @scotchi said:

    @NeuM said:
    @scotchi You know, something I just discovered (having only used the desktop version of this before and never the iOS version)… it is far too easy to move trigger pads while using this. If you pause your fingers for just a second while playing it’s possible to accidentally drag a pad to a different location. There needs to be a lock/unlock icon on the top of the layout just for the pads so they aren’t accidentally being moved around. Thanks.

    That's something we'll probably end up adding. We considered it for this release, but tried to get around it by being a little bit smarter on drag detection vs. playing notes, so it's interesting for us that you're still hitting it.

    I discovered this completely accidentally. I’m used to the detection standards of the GarageBand drum kits, which are pretty forgiving. It’s possibly to strike and then rest your fingers so you have a stable surface for determining how far your fingers must travel for the next strikes.

    Looking forward to the updates when they arrive.

  • @scotchi said:
    Hi folks --

    We've just released Sitala 1.3 for iOS. Here's the stuff that's new:

    • Two new drum kits: "Hip Hop Ultra" and "Future Retro Pop"

    Finger drumming:

    • Gated mode: sample stops playing when the finger is removed from the pad
    • Finger drumming mode: four additional large auxiliary pads for more control
    • Velocity sensitive pads

    MIDI Mapping:

    • Pad selection via MIDI
    • "Universal" MIDI mapping: MIDI controls selected pad
    • Select previous / next sample via MIDI

    Other improvements:

    • Reworked mute and solo buttons that are always visible
    • Improvements to "shape" knob for longer samples

    As usual, available in the app store.


    Awesome job!

    I really need a new way of browsing samples tho, swipping is aweful, let me preview a sample from the list and then load it please, having the new next/prev action as onscreen buttons would help too, swipping is not very nice, mostly when I have the plugin on a small window

  • @cokomairena said:
    I really need a new way of browsing samples tho, swipping is aweful, let me preview a sample from the list and then load it please, having the new next/prev action as onscreen buttons would help too, swipping is not very nice, mostly when I have the plugin on a small window

    If you click on the sample icon in the browser, it'll play the sound.

  • @scotchi said:

    @cokomairena said:
    I really need a new way of browsing samples tho, swipping is aweful, let me preview a sample from the list and then load it please, having the new next/prev action as onscreen buttons would help too, swipping is not very nice, mostly when I have the plugin on a small window

    If you click on the sample icon in the browser, it'll play the sound.

    :o this solves my problem, thanks!

  • I really should buy this - so much good stuff said about it, and I like the simplicity of it too.

  • @michael_m said:
    I really should buy this - so much good stuff said about it, and I like the simplicity of it too.

    I was on the fence, but would recommend to anyone now after owning it for a while. Go for it!

  • edited December 2022

    yes , sitala is must have (and sample crate), even if you have other samplers with multiouts and sequencers, because simplicity is often more valuable over complication… and still multiout allow for complex processing after

  • Just bought Sitala and want to add some reverb to the snare, but it seems like multi-out sends 16 different outputs? Is that correct? It seems a bit much to create 16 outputs in AUM just to put some reverb to the snare.
    I’m looking for a way to assign the snare to multi-out 2, for example, and have the rest of the kit send to channel 1.

  • Just use 2 instances of Sitala
    1 instance for ya reverb snare
    Keep the rest of the drums in the other instance of Sitala
    Use multi out, but only use the snare output
    Am sure there are other ways

  • @Gdub said:
    Just use 2 instances of Sitala
    1 instance for ya reverb snare
    Keep the rest of the drums in the other instance of Sitala
    Use multi out, but only use the snare output
    Am sure there are other ways

    Cheers! I’ll try that, but sounds a little clunky also. Was hoping for an option to specify the output like it’s possible in Digistix, so I could route eg snare and toms to the same bus.

  • @galmandsværk said:
    Cheers! I’ll try that, but sounds a little clunky also. Was hoping for an option to specify the output like it’s possible in Digistix, so I could route eg snare and toms to the same bus.

    That'll happen at some point. We've talked about it a lot, but we've debated between us exactly what the interface for it will look like.

    Most of the time you can set up the routing like that in the host (at least on the desktop -- haven't honestly checked too much in the various iOS hosts).

  • Hi @scotchi

    Thanks for your reply - and congrats on a great app and the latest update.

    Sounds good if that could be implemented in a future update. I’ve only owned Sitala one day, but I’m already liking the quick workflow a lot. Multi-out with the possibility of specifying the output for each pad would be great.

    Everything should just go to output 1 by default, and then the user could specify that the pads with e.g. snare, toms and hats go to output 2, and the crash cymbal goes to output 3, or whatever. It would really offer a lot of flexibility and cater to individual user needs, whilst only using the amount of specific outputs that are needed.

    DigiStix 2 does this, but it has a quite slow and tiresome interface with many clicks, and I really like the quickness of Sitala.

    I was intuitively looking for the option in the samples drop down menu, by the options for the choke and trigger groups. Maybe the multi-out option could be somewhere around there as well?

    Cheers!

  • @galmandsværk said:
    Hi @scotchi

    Thanks for your reply - and congrats on a great app and the latest update.

    Sounds good if that could be implemented in a future update. I’ve only owned Sitala one day, but I’m already liking the quick workflow a lot. Multi-out with the possibility of specifying the output for each pad would be great.

    Yay. :smile:

    Everything should just go to output 1 by default, and then the user could specify that the pads with e.g. snare, toms and hats go to output 2, and the crash cymbal goes to output 3, or whatever. It would really offer a lot of flexibility and cater to individual user needs, whilst only using the amount of specific outputs that are needed.

    Yeah, that's kind of the standard setup that most multi-out apps do. The debate has honestly been if we want to do something more interesting than that: to e.g. offer the option to treat the outputs as aux buses, or name them for the hosts that support named outputs.

    The buses thing comes partly from my old-hat mixing view of the world: I'd personally like to have a delay and reverb bus, where things still go to the main out, but also proportionally to the aux buses, which would have effects added in the host.

    Sometimes we're conservative on bringing features out because once you add something, you can basically never take it away (without users getting understandably outraged), so if we're uncertain how we want something to work, we often wait a bit until the idea is more crystalized.

  • i don’t see or can’t find a stereo to mono option, as a beat maker i aways need to have the Kick, snares, bass right in the middle, not stereo which is very to me and it should be very important for any beat maker to have your drums as mono and not stereo, so my question is is there a stereo to mono option in sitala and it is one where it is ?
    if not, there should be one because its necessary for me as a beat maker,

  • @scotchi @luzifer would it be possible for y’all to unlock Sitala in the Mac App Store as an iOS download. It would be nice to get the same iOS auv3 version on Mac since the main desktop version is pretty far behind now (in versions). I used to be able to send a iOS project with Sitala to desktop and have it hold the settings (at 1.0) but since the (great) updates I haven’t been able to.

    I’m sure y’all are working on the desktop version, but this would allow silicon Mac users to have the project continuity with iOS, iCloud account, etc Thanks.

  • edited February 2023

    @ipadbeatmaking said:
    @scotchi @luzifer would it be possible for y’all to unlock Sitala in the Mac App Store as an iOS download. It would be nice to get the same iOS auv3 version on Mac since the main desktop version is pretty far behind now (in versions). I used to be able to send a iOS project with Sitala to desktop and have it hold the settings (at 1.0) but since the (great) updates I haven’t been able to.

    I’m sure y’all are working on the desktop version, but this would allow silicon Mac users to have the project continuity with iOS, iCloud account, etc Thanks.

    I agree with this. And it would theoretically simplify development work on the app? Develop once for iOS, click the box to add to macOS downloads?

    I mean, I already paid for the iOS version and have been using the free desktop version also. I wouldn't mind replacing the macOS version with a replacement App Store download for the sake of app consistency.

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