Ukraine

musikeer

@Simon said:

@musikeer said:
Don’t feed the troll

I honestly don't think he is a troll. He contributes a lot to general discussion - it's only in the politial threads where things heat up.

NeuM clearly is a right winger, and so his whole world view is different to some on this forum.

He will have a 180 degrees different opinions on issues like Trump, vax, abortion, tax, capitalism, guns, race, immigration etc.... to some on this forum.

He might even have a different view on things like laws and historical records - things that many consider "set in stone" or "factual". His interpretation of "reported facts" or "accepted truth" may be totally opposite to you. You may think his views are the opposite of "accepted" and "recorded" reality.

It is a big world with lots of people with different views. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their views - even if you think their views are crazy, unfair, ignorant, cruel, delusional, misguided or whatever.

We all know him now: "he's the guy on the AB Form who takes a right wing stance in political matters". So we can't act surprised when he comes out with something we don't agree with. He will always bash Biden and praise Trump. He will always interpret the facts to support the right. That doesn't surprise me, as he is a right winger. That's where he's coming from. And, yes, left wingers do the same.

You don't have to agree with him. You can tell him he's wrong. And why. Or you can ignore him. But I don't think labelling him a troll is accurate or helpful.

My mistake. Should have been plural.

NeuM

@Simon said:

@musikeer said:
Don’t feed the troll

I honestly don't think he is a troll. He contributes a lot to general discussion - it's only in the politial threads where things heat up.

NeuM clearly is a right winger, and so his whole world view is different to some on this forum.

He will have a 180 degrees different opinions on issues like Trump, vax, abortion, tax, capitalism, guns, race, immigration etc.... to some on this forum.

He might even have a different view on things like laws and historical records - things that many consider "set in stone" or "factual". His interpretation of "reported facts" or "accepted truth" may be totally opposite to you. You may think his views are the opposite of "accepted" and "recorded" reality.

It is a big world with lots of people with different views. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their views - even if you think their views are crazy, unfair, ignorant, cruel, delusional, misguided or whatever.

We all know him now: "he's the guy on the AB Form who takes a right wing stance in political matters". So we can't act surprised when he comes out with something we don't agree with. He will always bash Biden and praise Trump. He will always interpret the facts to support the right. That doesn't surprise me, as he is a right winger. That's where he's coming from. And, yes, left wingers do the same.

You don't have to agree with him. You can tell him he's wrong. And why. Or you can ignore him. But I don't think labelling him a troll is accurate or helpful.

I appreciate the fair treatment. We don’t have to always agree on everything. Life would be boring with nothing but across-the-board agreement on all things, don’t you think?

Just one thing: I don’t always agree with or praise President Trump. In fact, I think he has many weaknesses which make him a problem. From my point of view, the alternatives are much, much worse and I believe we’re seeing this play out in real time in the form of the current administration.

ervin

@dendy said:
so many experts on geopolitics, russia, ukraine and other related topics here ... fascinating.. i feel dumb not having strong opinion in this case, especialky in terms of Putin motivations, Biden motivations and theor strategies and plans...

maybe it's because i live in country too far from that conflict - slovakia, west neigbour of ukraine.

The farther you are and the less experience you ever had with Russian/Soviet boots on the ground in your country, the hotter the takes, @dendy - that's the rule. 🤷

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@musikeer said:
Don’t feed the troll

I honestly don't think he is a troll. He contributes a lot to general discussion - it's only in the politial threads where things heat up.

NeuM clearly is a right winger, and so his whole world view is different to some on this forum.

He will have a 180 degrees different opinions on issues like Trump, vax, abortion, tax, capitalism, guns, race, immigration etc.... to some on this forum.

He might even have a different view on things like laws and historical records - things that many consider "set in stone" or "factual". His interpretation of "reported facts" or "accepted truth" may be totally opposite to you. You may think his views are the opposite of "accepted" and "recorded" reality.

It is a big world with lots of people with different views. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their views - even if you think their views are crazy, unfair, ignorant, cruel, delusional, misguided or whatever.

We all know him now: "he's the guy on the AB Form who takes a right wing stance in political matters". So we can't act surprised when he comes out with something we don't agree with. He will always bash Biden and praise Trump. He will always interpret the facts to support the right. That doesn't surprise me, as he is a right winger. That's where he's coming from. And, yes, left wingers do the same.

You don't have to agree with him. You can tell him he's wrong. And why. Or you can ignore him. But I don't think labelling him a troll is accurate or helpful.

I appreciate the fair treatment. We don’t have to always agree on everything. Life would be boring with nothing but across-the-board agreement on all things, don’t you think?

Just one thing: I don’t always agree with or praise President Trump. In fact, I think he has many weaknesses which make him a problem. From my point of view, the alternatives are much, much worse and I believe we’re seeing this play out in real time in the form of the current administration.

Biden told the world about Putin’s plan, he was correct, Trump loves what Putin is doing, birds of a feather, no doubt.

NeuM

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@musikeer said:
Don’t feed the troll

I honestly don't think he is a troll. He contributes a lot to general discussion - it's only in the politial threads where things heat up.

NeuM clearly is a right winger, and so his whole world view is different to some on this forum.

He will have a 180 degrees different opinions on issues like Trump, vax, abortion, tax, capitalism, guns, race, immigration etc.... to some on this forum.

He might even have a different view on things like laws and historical records - things that many consider "set in stone" or "factual". His interpretation of "reported facts" or "accepted truth" may be totally opposite to you. You may think his views are the opposite of "accepted" and "recorded" reality.

It is a big world with lots of people with different views. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their views - even if you think their views are crazy, unfair, ignorant, cruel, delusional, misguided or whatever.

We all know him now: "he's the guy on the AB Form who takes a right wing stance in political matters". So we can't act surprised when he comes out with something we don't agree with. He will always bash Biden and praise Trump. He will always interpret the facts to support the right. That doesn't surprise me, as he is a right winger. That's where he's coming from. And, yes, left wingers do the same.

You don't have to agree with him. You can tell him he's wrong. And why. Or you can ignore him. But I don't think labelling him a troll is accurate or helpful.

I appreciate the fair treatment. We don’t have to always agree on everything. Life would be boring with nothing but across-the-board agreement on all things, don’t you think?

Just one thing: I don’t always agree with or praise President Trump. In fact, I think he has many weaknesses which make him a problem. From my point of view, the alternatives are much, much worse and I believe we’re seeing this play out in real time in the form of the current administration.

Biden told the world about Putin’s plan, he was correct, Trump loves what Putin is doing, birds of a feather, no doubt.

Putin didn’t invade while Trump was President. Don’t leave out that critically important detail. Putin knows a weak, confused man when he sees him in the form of Joe Biden.

Simon

@musikeer said:
My mistake. Should have been plural.

Ha! Yeah - Im a troll, so watch out!

vasilymilovidov

right now is a really bad time to argue about trump

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@musikeer said:
Don’t feed the troll

I honestly don't think he is a troll. He contributes a lot to general discussion - it's only in the politial threads where things heat up.

NeuM clearly is a right winger, and so his whole world view is different to some on this forum.

He will have a 180 degrees different opinions on issues like Trump, vax, abortion, tax, capitalism, guns, race, immigration etc.... to some on this forum.

He might even have a different view on things like laws and historical records - things that many consider "set in stone" or "factual". His interpretation of "reported facts" or "accepted truth" may be totally opposite to you. You may think his views are the opposite of "accepted" and "recorded" reality.

It is a big world with lots of people with different views. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their views - even if you think their views are crazy, unfair, ignorant, cruel, delusional, misguided or whatever.

We all know him now: "he's the guy on the AB Form who takes a right wing stance in political matters". So we can't act surprised when he comes out with something we don't agree with. He will always bash Biden and praise Trump. He will always interpret the facts to support the right. That doesn't surprise me, as he is a right winger. That's where he's coming from. And, yes, left wingers do the same.

You don't have to agree with him. You can tell him he's wrong. And why. Or you can ignore him. But I don't think labelling him a troll is accurate or helpful.

I appreciate the fair treatment. We don’t have to always agree on everything. Life would be boring with nothing but across-the-board agreement on all things, don’t you think?

Just one thing: I don’t always agree with or praise President Trump. In fact, I think he has many weaknesses which make him a problem. From my point of view, the alternatives are much, much worse and I believe we’re seeing this play out in real time in the form of the current administration.

Biden told the world about Putin’s plan, he was correct, Trump loves what Putin is doing, birds of a feather, no doubt.

Putin didn’t invade while Trump was President. Don’t leave out that critically important detail. Putin knows a weak, confused man when he sees him in the form of Joe Biden.

May I remind you about Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban and his best pal the ‘little rocket man’ quite the diplomat.

Simon

@vasilymilovidov said:
right now is a really bad time to argue about trump

It's not going to make any difference to what is happneing in Ukraine.

Let's hope this is the flash point and things calm down over the next few hours.

NeuM

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@musikeer said:
Don’t feed the troll

I honestly don't think he is a troll. He contributes a lot to general discussion - it's only in the politial threads where things heat up.

NeuM clearly is a right winger, and so his whole world view is different to some on this forum.

He will have a 180 degrees different opinions on issues like Trump, vax, abortion, tax, capitalism, guns, race, immigration etc.... to some on this forum.

He might even have a different view on things like laws and historical records - things that many consider "set in stone" or "factual". His interpretation of "reported facts" or "accepted truth" may be totally opposite to you. You may think his views are the opposite of "accepted" and "recorded" reality.

It is a big world with lots of people with different views. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their views - even if you think their views are crazy, unfair, ignorant, cruel, delusional, misguided or whatever.

We all know him now: "he's the guy on the AB Form who takes a right wing stance in political matters". So we can't act surprised when he comes out with something we don't agree with. He will always bash Biden and praise Trump. He will always interpret the facts to support the right. That doesn't surprise me, as he is a right winger. That's where he's coming from. And, yes, left wingers do the same.

You don't have to agree with him. You can tell him he's wrong. And why. Or you can ignore him. But I don't think labelling him a troll is accurate or helpful.

I appreciate the fair treatment. We don’t have to always agree on everything. Life would be boring with nothing but across-the-board agreement on all things, don’t you think?

Just one thing: I don’t always agree with or praise President Trump. In fact, I think he has many weaknesses which make him a problem. From my point of view, the alternatives are much, much worse and I believe we’re seeing this play out in real time in the form of the current administration.

Biden told the world about Putin’s plan, he was correct, Trump loves what Putin is doing, birds of a feather, no doubt.

Putin didn’t invade while Trump was President. Don’t leave out that critically important detail. Putin knows a weak, confused man when he sees him in the form of Joe Biden.

May I remind you about Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban and his best pal the ‘little rocket man’ quite the diplomat.

Sure you can remind me. His administration drafted up a plan to withdraw troops from Afghanistan and he was excoriated over it by Democrats and his own military advisors advised against it. Republicans also warned of dire consequences if US troops were withdrawn. I remember it clearly. Then the Biden administration came in and executed part of the plan in the most incompetent conceivable way, getting American military killed in the process. A total disaster. If Biden was the savvy planner and politician he claimed to be, why would he not draft up his own plan and make sure every contingency was covered beforehand? I think everyone would like an answer to that one.

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@musikeer said:
Don’t feed the troll

I honestly don't think he is a troll. He contributes a lot to general discussion - it's only in the politial threads where things heat up.

NeuM clearly is a right winger, and so his whole world view is different to some on this forum.

He will have a 180 degrees different opinions on issues like Trump, vax, abortion, tax, capitalism, guns, race, immigration etc.... to some on this forum.

He might even have a different view on things like laws and historical records - things that many consider "set in stone" or "factual". His interpretation of "reported facts" or "accepted truth" may be totally opposite to you. You may think his views are the opposite of "accepted" and "recorded" reality.

It is a big world with lots of people with different views. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their views - even if you think their views are crazy, unfair, ignorant, cruel, delusional, misguided or whatever.

We all know him now: "he's the guy on the AB Form who takes a right wing stance in political matters". So we can't act surprised when he comes out with something we don't agree with. He will always bash Biden and praise Trump. He will always interpret the facts to support the right. That doesn't surprise me, as he is a right winger. That's where he's coming from. And, yes, left wingers do the same.

You don't have to agree with him. You can tell him he's wrong. And why. Or you can ignore him. But I don't think labelling him a troll is accurate or helpful.

I appreciate the fair treatment. We don’t have to always agree on everything. Life would be boring with nothing but across-the-board agreement on all things, don’t you think?

Just one thing: I don’t always agree with or praise President Trump. In fact, I think he has many weaknesses which make him a problem. From my point of view, the alternatives are much, much worse and I believe we’re seeing this play out in real time in the form of the current administration.

Biden told the world about Putin’s plan, he was correct, Trump loves what Putin is doing, birds of a feather, no doubt.

Putin didn’t invade while Trump was President. Don’t leave out that critically important detail. Putin knows a weak, confused man when he sees him in the form of Joe Biden.

May I remind you about Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban and his best pal the ‘little rocket man’ quite the diplomat.

Sure you can. His administration drafted up a plan to withdraw troops from Afghanistan and he was excoriated over it by Democrats and his own military advisors advised against it. I remember it clearly. Then the Biden administration came in and executed part of the plan in the most incompetent conceivable way, getting American military killed in the process. A total disaster. If Biden was the savvy planner and politician he claimed to be, why would he not draft up his own plan and make sure every contingency was covered beforehand? I think everyone would like an answer to that one.

Little rocket man still fires his rockets, making nukes, thought he could cut a deal.

NeuM

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@musikeer said:
Don’t feed the troll

I honestly don't think he is a troll. He contributes a lot to general discussion - it's only in the politial threads where things heat up.

NeuM clearly is a right winger, and so his whole world view is different to some on this forum.

He will have a 180 degrees different opinions on issues like Trump, vax, abortion, tax, capitalism, guns, race, immigration etc.... to some on this forum.

He might even have a different view on things like laws and historical records - things that many consider "set in stone" or "factual". His interpretation of "reported facts" or "accepted truth" may be totally opposite to you. You may think his views are the opposite of "accepted" and "recorded" reality.

It is a big world with lots of people with different views. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their views - even if you think their views are crazy, unfair, ignorant, cruel, delusional, misguided or whatever.

We all know him now: "he's the guy on the AB Form who takes a right wing stance in political matters". So we can't act surprised when he comes out with something we don't agree with. He will always bash Biden and praise Trump. He will always interpret the facts to support the right. That doesn't surprise me, as he is a right winger. That's where he's coming from. And, yes, left wingers do the same.

You don't have to agree with him. You can tell him he's wrong. And why. Or you can ignore him. But I don't think labelling him a troll is accurate or helpful.

I appreciate the fair treatment. We don’t have to always agree on everything. Life would be boring with nothing but across-the-board agreement on all things, don’t you think?

Just one thing: I don’t always agree with or praise President Trump. In fact, I think he has many weaknesses which make him a problem. From my point of view, the alternatives are much, much worse and I believe we’re seeing this play out in real time in the form of the current administration.

Biden told the world about Putin’s plan, he was correct, Trump loves what Putin is doing, birds of a feather, no doubt.

Putin didn’t invade while Trump was President. Don’t leave out that critically important detail. Putin knows a weak, confused man when he sees him in the form of Joe Biden.

May I remind you about Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban and his best pal the ‘little rocket man’ quite the diplomat.

Sure you can. His administration drafted up a plan to withdraw troops from Afghanistan and he was excoriated over it by Democrats and his own military advisors advised against it. I remember it clearly. Then the Biden administration came in and executed part of the plan in the most incompetent conceivable way, getting American military killed in the process. A total disaster. If Biden was the savvy planner and politician he claimed to be, why would he not draft up his own plan and make sure every contingency was covered beforehand? I think everyone would like an answer to that one.

Little rocket man still fires his rockets, making nukes, thought he could cut a deal.

Again, this is happening during the Biden administration. Are you aware of who is the sitting President?

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@musikeer said:
Don’t feed the troll

I honestly don't think he is a troll. He contributes a lot to general discussion - it's only in the politial threads where things heat up.

NeuM clearly is a right winger, and so his whole world view is different to some on this forum.

He will have a 180 degrees different opinions on issues like Trump, vax, abortion, tax, capitalism, guns, race, immigration etc.... to some on this forum.

He might even have a different view on things like laws and historical records - things that many consider "set in stone" or "factual". His interpretation of "reported facts" or "accepted truth" may be totally opposite to you. You may think his views are the opposite of "accepted" and "recorded" reality.

It is a big world with lots of people with different views. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their views - even if you think their views are crazy, unfair, ignorant, cruel, delusional, misguided or whatever.

We all know him now: "he's the guy on the AB Form who takes a right wing stance in political matters". So we can't act surprised when he comes out with something we don't agree with. He will always bash Biden and praise Trump. He will always interpret the facts to support the right. That doesn't surprise me, as he is a right winger. That's where he's coming from. And, yes, left wingers do the same.

You don't have to agree with him. You can tell him he's wrong. And why. Or you can ignore him. But I don't think labelling him a troll is accurate or helpful.

I appreciate the fair treatment. We don’t have to always agree on everything. Life would be boring with nothing but across-the-board agreement on all things, don’t you think?

Just one thing: I don’t always agree with or praise President Trump. In fact, I think he has many weaknesses which make him a problem. From my point of view, the alternatives are much, much worse and I believe we’re seeing this play out in real time in the form of the current administration.

Biden told the world about Putin’s plan, he was correct, Trump loves what Putin is doing, birds of a feather, no doubt.

Putin didn’t invade while Trump was President. Don’t leave out that critically important detail. Putin knows a weak, confused man when he sees him in the form of Joe Biden.

May I remind you about Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban and his best pal the ‘little rocket man’ quite the diplomat.

Sure you can. His administration drafted up a plan to withdraw troops from Afghanistan and he was excoriated over it by Democrats and his own military advisors advised against it. I remember it clearly. Then the Biden administration came in and executed part of the plan in the most incompetent conceivable way, getting American military killed in the process. A total disaster. If Biden was the savvy planner and politician he claimed to be, why would he not draft up his own plan and make sure every contingency was covered beforehand? I think everyone would like an answer to that one.

Little rocket man still fires his rockets, making nukes, thought he could cut a deal.

Again, this is happening during the Biden administration. Are you aware of who is the sitting President?

Donald Trump met personally Kim Jong un, what was the result of these meetings.

Simon

@knewspeak said:
Donald Trump met personally Kim Jong un, what was the result of these meetings.

The result was an excellent photo opportunity for both participants.

cyberheater

@Franketti said:
The invasion has begun…

It's frankly unbelievable.

Unfortunately I believe at this point Ukraine will fall. Putin won't stop until he's completed the invasion. Sanctions don't matter to him and the west won't get involved in a military campaign against Russia.

Nato will do f**k all.

NeuM

@Simon said:

@knewspeak said:
Donald Trump met personally Kim Jong un, what was the result of these meetings.

The result was an excellent photo opportunity for both participants.

Indeed. Had his administration continued, I'm fairly confident a peace treaty would've been engineered and agreed to. I can't see that happening under the current administration, which seems hellbent on plunging the US into a new war.

JoyceRoadStudios

NeuM

@JoyceRoadStudios said:

Isn't that Anthony Fauci?

knewspeak

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@knewspeak said:
Donald Trump met personally Kim Jong un, what was the result of these meetings.

The result was an excellent photo opportunity for both participants.

Indeed. Had his administration continued, I'm fairly confident a peace treaty would've been engineered and agreed to. I can't see that happening under the current administration, which seems hellbent on plunging the US into a new war.

Indeed. Had his administration continued, I’m absolutely confident he would have been hellbent on plunging the US in a Civil War. Ask former VP Mike Pence.

RajahP

Wow.. unbelievable..

cian

Well I got that wrong. Awful news.

Obviously nothing justified this.

cyberheater

@cian said:
Well I got that wrong. Awful news.

Obviously nothing justified this.

Nobody thought it would really happen. You are not alone.

richardyot

https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1496621519795015681

ervin

@richardyot said:

https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1496621519795015681

👌

knewspeak

@cyberheater said:

@cian said:
Well I got that wrong. Awful news.

Obviously nothing justified this.

Nobody thought it would really happen. You are not alone.

Unfortunately I raised this in December on the forum last year, this was all too predictable.

[Deleted User]

@cyberheater said:

@Franketti said:
The invasion has begun…

It's frankly unbelievable.

Unfortunately I believe at this point Ukraine will fall. Putin won't stop until he's completed the invasion. Sanctions don't matter to him and the west won't get involved in a military campaign against Russia.

Nato will do f**k all.

Ukraine will not fall. This stupid attack will be Putin's downfall

cyberheater

@yug said:

@cyberheater said:

@Franketti said:
The invasion has begun…

It's frankly unbelievable.

Unfortunately I believe at this point Ukraine will fall. Putin won't stop until he's completed the invasion. Sanctions don't matter to him and the west won't get involved in a military campaign against Russia.

Nato will do f**k all.

Ukraine will not fall. This stupid attack will be Putin's downfall

I really hope you are right.

Samu

One of my absolute favorite developers @jimpavloff lives in Ukraine...
...just hoping everything is ok with him.

cyberheater

Devs of the game S.T.A.L.K.E.R. are also affected.

NeuM

@knewspeak said:

@NeuM said:

@Simon said:

@knewspeak said:
Donald Trump met personally Kim Jong un, what was the result of these meetings.

The result was an excellent photo opportunity for both participants.

Indeed. Had his administration continued, I'm fairly confident a peace treaty would've been engineered and agreed to. I can't see that happening under the current administration, which seems hellbent on plunging the US into a new war.

Indeed. Had his administration continued, I’m absolutely confident he would have been hellbent on plunging the US in a Civil War. Ask former VP Mike Pence.

Except there’s no evidence supporting your assertion. And what has Mike Pence got to do with anything?