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Ukraine
I don't know much about politics but I can't believe what is happening in the Ukraine right now.
Is Putin crazy?
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No, he isn’t.
All of the governments involved are.
Edit.
To clarify we’ve had two years of the worst pandemic in
recent memory and now our governments are going to War.
This something we do not want nor need.
All of those involved are attempting to use the situation to their own political ends whilst ignoring what the majority of their population most likely thinks.
Still at least our luxury cars are not on fire in the middle of the ocean, as then we’d really have something to worry about…
Ironic that the EU’s dependence on fossil fuels is financing Putin’s endeavors.
UK General on radio this morning, saying if Putin moves on a neighbouring NATO state eg Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, (all former members of the USSR, same argument for Putin as Ukraine) , it’d be WWIII, and Russian doctrine is first use/battlefield nukes.
Ah, nostalgia! Reminds me of the 80s:
Another distraction from ‘the great reset’
All we need now is the assassination of archduke Ferdinand.
Stallone re-released rocky 4 last year. Biden has obviously watched it and got all in a flutter
Apart from all else, thoughts are with Ukrainian musicians and developers as all this unfolds. MacPaw are based in Kyiv and support a huge number of boutique developers worldwide with the great work they do running Setapp. I can't imagine what their lives are like right now. And iOS stalwarts Readdle are in Odessa.
I don't share his politics, but he's always struck me as pretty rational. I think he's correctly assessed that the west aren't actually going to go to war over the Ukraine, a country that nobody much cares about, and that he could use the Ukrainian refusal to implement the Minsk accords to his advantage. He has a long history of playing weak hands very well. Just as the modern US has a long history of playing strong hands very poorly.
Recognizing the 'republics' costs him very little. It gives Russia an excuse to publicly send in 'peacekeepers' if they want, while increasing the pressure on Ukraine and making it even less likely that the Ukraine can become part of NATO. There are costs (the Nord Stream pipeline principally - the sanctions will probably be meaningless), but it will also cost Europe. We will see if his calculations are correct, but they're hardly insane.
The US behavior on the other hand... First of all there was never any serious evidence that Russia was planning to invade (yes they had a lot of troops, but they've had more there before and the troops were hardly in a war ready state), so this crisis was completely unnecessary. Then the US kept claiming that Russia was going to invade tomorrow, shredding their credibility. They let the Ukrainians think they were going to back them militarily, even though that was clearly a lie. And they seemingly had no strategy, or plan, for dealing with Russia other than intransigence. When Russia presented their demands they just ignored them, and they accused Russia of refusing to negotiate.
So the US has succeeded in pushing China and Russia into a closer relationship (quite a feat, given that historically the two countries have hated each other), weakened the Ukraine, shredded US credibility even more (some feat after WMD claims), further weakened NATO (which TBH is mostly an excuse to sell more US weapons at this point) and strengthened Putin domestically. Baffling.
The best thing the west could have ever done with Ukraine is told them in 2014. Look it sucks, but you share a border with Russia - maybe stop poking them in the eye. Stop with the anti-Russian bullshit against your own Russian speakers, and seriously clamp down on the neo-Nazis. Maybe if you can stop your politicians and oligarchs from stealing everything then we can have a serious discussion about EU membership one day. LOL, of course we're not going to let you join NATO.
Succinct assessment.
If there was a vote again today in Crimea about if they wanted to be anexed by Russia it would be yes. The «Coup» of 2014 that inserted a western friendly president(the top choise of US forein department) outlawed russian being tought at schools and universities in Ukraine. Russians were being bullied in the street and windows broken, people killed, civil war.
I don’t blame the russians of north eastern Ukraine to want to go back to the territory they have been in USSR and many years before.
The US want to sell weapons, the russians want to keep ther old Navy base, big deal.
Step on the toes of Anthony Linked-in if you see him
Actually all started because of fossil fuels (natural gas) and Russia wanted for EU to renew long term contracts
Some countries in EU don't want natural gas at all and want to promote hydrogen and "green" solutions (like electric vehicles)
US wants to sell LNG to EU , plus some countries in EU don't want to buy gas from Russia ,and other countries want cheap gas from Russia
So , since summer , prices went abnormally high , EU has serious problems in supply (LNG can't cover the needs) , Russia insisted on signing long term contracts , but not all EU members agreed and the Nord Stream pipe that was supposed to bring satisfactory supply via Germany was on hold for months
Now it's officially paused (today)
It's all about energy and money
A fair summation of the situation. The era of US unilateralism is coming to a close. A multipolar world is emerging, driven from the east. Alliances are shifting. This is not a time for hysterics. The countries of Europe need to think carefully about where the future lies.
This is some BS, like most of Russian propaganda. You should learn history before embarrassing yourself
This.
And old, fat, white guys who can’t find their shriveled manhoods under rolls of belly fat.
and this.
The election in Crimea is Russian Propaganda?
How long do you think the port in Crimea have been important for Russia, shall we have a check, or no?
@yug
It’s been with russia since 1783, so a military base for 250 years then. I read Tolstoys book about the Ottaman war so I should have written better, but that is not the main point. It’s been with Russia for a long time
Nothing good will come out of this thread
Haha
@cuscolima
Before it gets anymore heated?
Can we all take a deep breath?
There's enough poison in the outside world.
Loads of people are going die.
A deep breath right now would be nice before
we start burying even more people for no reason.
If you really do want to fight then by all means carry on.
Peace.
Maybe we can have a vaccine and Ukraine thread at the same time, diversify?
I'm moving my troops to the Drambo part of this forum
Wise advice.
That and never starting a land war in Asia.
@Gravitas if someone can’t take facts is their problem. I refuse to be un-convenienced by the US State department
I have just the meme for you
There was no Russia 1000 years ago, Moscow didn't exist either. The state of the Rus' people, which included some parts of modern Russia, was ruled by the Grand Duke of Kiev. Kiev was the capital.
Crimea was split between Kievan Rus, the Byzantine Empire and ancient Turks.
…or another politics thread. Whoot!
Im from russia and i do not think so ) i think its a propaganda