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It’s interesting that Putin once wanted Russia to join NATO. But he wanted to be invited, didn’t want to apply and wait in line with countries that didn’t matter. After realising there would be no invitation, he took it very personally and changed the course, starting with that famous Munich 2007 speech.
From Merriam-Webster:
Frequently Asked Questions About impeach
Are presidents removed from office when they are impeached?
Not necessarily. In the United States a president is impeached by the members of the House of Representatives. Once this body has drawn up charges and had them approved by a majority of House members, the Senate holds a trial. If a two-thirds majority of the Senate votes to convict then the president may be removed from office.
Which presidents were impeached?
Three Presidents of the United States have been impeached: Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump.
Can people other than the President be impeached?
Impeachment procedures vary from country to country, but the United States Constitution states that "The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." A wide range of officials (including judges, presidents, and senators) have been impeached in the U.S.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/impeach
empty bucket=the most noise AGAIN
Lot of pots and kettles around here to be sure
But it's good to be reminded, so thank you.
Well I'd take serious issue with describing him as a puppet. His government had previously seeking deeper economic ties with Europe and they only really turned to Russia when they realized that they weren't going to get what they wanted/needed. Russia's offer was pretty generous (cheap loans and gas, decent trade terms). It was an economic decision that was unpopular with those parts of the Ukraine that wanted to be part of western Europe, but fairly popular in those parts of the Ukraine that had economic/cultural ties to Russia.
Yanukovych was deeply corrupt, but no different really from any other president before, or after. Ukrainian politics is dominated by the oligarchs who looted the country at independence, and the political fights are largely over who gets to control the spoils. That didn't change after the 'revolution'. And while yes Yanukovych was unpopular with the people who didn't vote for him he had plenty of supporters elsewhere in the country (where they did vote for him). It's just we didn't see it that way because the TV crews went to the parts of the country that didn't vote for him (including of course Kyiv).
I would categorize it as a coup because the government was overthrown using extra-legal methods and replaced with a new government. That's not really a judgement on whether it was a good, or bad, thing. But a democratically elected government was overthrown - for better, or worse.
I'd say you're responding to a particular narrative that was constructed for a western audience, but that the reality was nastier, messier and more complicated. Firstly his support was mostly not in Kyiv, so this would a little bit like seeing protests against Biden in some deep red state and assuming that said something about how all Americans saw Biden. Also while there was police repression, there was also a lot of violence from street gangs/militia (one militia probably funded by one of the rival Oligarchs, other gangs being neo-Nazis) and they also shot at police and protestors. I don't know if we'll ever know who shot first, or even who shot who in certain situations. There was also serious violence committed against Yanukovych supporters - some of whom got shot for example.
That's fair. Sorry if I did that.
A lot of the commentary in newspapers/media in the west on these subjects is deeply simplistic and ignores inconvenient facts and then tends to make a little... overly aggressive sometimes
I particularly loathe the tendency to try and find the good guy, because there always has to be a good guy. Can't have a conflict without a good guy apparently. The reality is that most of the time the leaders on both sides are fairly bad. There are obviously exceptions. The Azerbaijani leader was definitely the bad guy for example. Good friend of Putin apparently.
It's also extremely frustrating to see all this focus on the Ukraine, when we've just seen a war nearby where genocidal acts were carried out by one side, the war was totally unjustified, the winner grabbed Armenian territory. It was even a war where a dictatorship attacked a democracy. But nobody cared, because nobody really cares about those things, they just pretend to when they're convenient.
Incorrect. The House voted to impeach. The Senate did not. Unless both agree with the required number of votes, it's not an impeachment. At best, one could argue an "impeachment process" was carried out, but it failed on both counts. Further, the entire rationale for the impeachment process was based on proven fraudulent evidence. And knowledge of the fraudulence was known to Adam Schiff, Hillary Clinton and even James Comey, then head of the FBI. Attempting to overthrow a sitting President with fraudulent evidence is treason.
Here's the text in question:
See this phrase: "And no person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of the two thirds of the Members present (referring to the Senate)."
Trump was not convicted. The dual phony impeachments were a flop.
This is pretty good critique of US response to Putin I think:
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/why-biden-didnt-negotiate-seriously
@NeuM : while the Pres> @NeuM said:
NeuM: seriously. Read the constitution. Impeachment is what the House does. The Senate trial is not impeachment. Trump was impeached but not convicted.
See my complete response, above. In which I provide the exact language and conditions for an impeachment.
Why do you keep saying it’s Armenian territory? It’s been officially recognised in the world as Azerbaijani territory and it’s been like that for a century. Armenia managed to occupy that territory and surrounding areas after Russia supplied them with tanks and other heavy weapons. Than Turkey helped Az-an to take back what was officially theirs.
I’m not taking sides here, I’m just stating the facts. I understand why both sides think it should be theirs. It’s a very complex situation, not as black and white as you are putting it
It’s 5AM in Russia. Putin just announced he’s starting ”a special military operation” against Ukraine
If they are really guilty of treason then why haven't the Pro-Trump Republicans taken those responsible to court for treason?
Surely if those responisble were convicted of treason that would be a feather in the cap of the right plus it would clear Trumps name? Why hasn't this happened?
Republicans don’t have majority control of Congress. At the midterms they will. When it comes to Congress, all that matters are the votes.
Do you really need control of Congress to charge people with treason? Can't the party take legal action?
Of course not. If the party in power are the ones with the traitors in their ranks, they aren’t going to advance anything. This is how Congress functions. Votes are everything.
Your complete response doesn’t change anything. The Constitution literally says “ The House of Representatives…shall have the sole Power of Impeachment"”.
See Article I, Section 2: https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm#a1_sec2
What happens in the Senate is the trial that follows impeachment.
Can't they just take action in a civil court and not involve Congress?
I hope the people in Ukraine will come through this ok.
Trump is not the Chief Executive. Deal with it.
"Yes, he is."
"No he isn't". I quit. Wack-a-mole is only worth playing if there are rules.
That is a fact.
By virtue of the recorded vote in the House the impeachment was proper... twice. Facts.
No. History has a clear record for an ope mind to review. Facts.
The panel investigating January 6 is also not working towards an impeachment or conviction.
Just investigating the facts for the record and to insure it cannot happen again.
There was an attempt coup that Pence refused to assist with executing. They then had a motion to
deal the count and failed. So, they counted the Electoral Votes and it's over.
Facts matter.
Going back to make some music.
Don’t feed the troll
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Of your loneliness Like a heartbeat... drives you mad In the stillness of remembering what you had And what you lost. And what you had.And what you lost.Thunder only happens when it's raining
Players only love you when they're playing.Say. Women.they will come and they will go. When the rain washes you clean.you'll know, you'll know.Now here I go again, I see the crystal visions
I keep my visions to myself.It's only me. Who wants to wrap around your dreams and.Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Dreams of loneliness.Like a heartbeat. drives you mad.In the stillness
of remembering what you had.And what you lost.And what you had.And what you lost.Thunder only happens when it's raining.Players only love you when they're playing.Women they will come and they will go
When the rain washes you clean, you'll know.Oh, thunder only happens when it's raining.Players only love you when they're playing.Say women they will come and they will goWhen the rain washes you
clean, you'll know, you'll know.You will know, you'll know.
Unbelievable. Trump didn’t “steal secret documents”. Deal with that. It’s both hilarious and pathetic how much lying the opposition in Washington will engage in to hold off the inevitable re-election of Donald Trump. There is going to be a lot of screaming and hysteria over the next three years.
I honestly don't think he is a troll. He contributes a lot to general discussion - it's only in the politial threads where things heat up.
NeuM clearly is a right winger, and so his whole world view is different to some on this forum.
He will have a 180 degrees different opinions on issues like Trump, vax, abortion, tax, capitalism, guns, race, immigration etc.... to some on this forum.
He might even have a different view on things like laws and historical records - things that many consider "set in stone" or "factual". His interpretation of "reported facts" or "accepted truth" may be totally opposite to you. You may think his views are the opposite of "accepted" and "recorded" reality.
It is a big world with lots of people with different views. That's fine. Everyone has the right to their views - even if you think their views are crazy, unfair, ignorant, cruel, delusional, misguided or whatever.
We all know him now: "he's the guy on the AB Form who takes a right wing stance in political matters". So we can't act surprised when he comes out with something we don't agree with. He will always bash Biden and praise Trump. He will always interpret the facts to support the right. That doesn't surprise me, as he is a right winger. That's where he's coming from. And, yes, left wingers do the same.
You don't have to agree with him. You can tell him he's wrong. And why. Or you can ignore him. But I don't think labelling him a troll is accurate or helpful.
Someone doesn't understand what an impeachment is. What else do they not understand?
I was under the impression that this is a music forum, not a political chat room for self-proclaimed experts. Isn’t this the kind of thread that gets closed? I was born in Odessa, Ukraine, when it was part of the Soviet Union. I speak only Russian and not a single word of Ukrainian. I left as a kid in 1992 to the United States, one year after the Soviet Union broke apart. Not much has changed since then. The only thing to do right now is pray for the inevitable victims, some of whom are my family and friends left behind a long time ago. This is shameful and I hope it ends before the entire world pays the ultimate price. Some of you are acting as if you’re having petty arguments while standing over an innocent dead body. Please take a small step back and show some respect.
May God watch over your family and relatives and all the innocents during this time in the Ukraine. Let’s pray for a peaceful and diplomatic resolution to this potential calamity. May reason and virtue prevail for us all.
🙏🏼💕
Well, the invasion of Ukraine seems to be happening in any case… I can only imagine how people there are feeling right now.
I’ve never been back there since I left in 1992, and the best thing my family ever did for me was move to America.
This needs to stop before it becomes world war 3. I’m tired of the world’s sick obsession with money and religion, or whatever else it is that makes people bomb one another. If it doesn’t stop in the next day or two, I’m afraid to even imagine what’s about to happen…
No doubt worried and appalled, as the vast majority of humanity is, I’ve no doubt.
The invasion has begun…
Unfortunately we enter the NWO, same old story.