Let's learn/re-learn Drambo 2.0 together

dmori

@bleep said:
You can do drum fills like this:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/52936/using-drambo-as-a-drum-computer-some-of-the-many-ways-to-do-it

Great. Thanks for finding this and sharing.

dmori

@rs2000 said:

@wim said:

@dmori said:

@dmori said:

@wim said:
@dmori - Here's how I'd do it using Flexi:

• The Bernoulli Gate flip flops between sending the MIDI to CV module signal to one of its two outputs.
• The Fill A Flexi trigger input is linked to Bernoulli Gate output A, Fill B trigger is linked to Output B.
• You can affect the chance of selecting A or B with the Bernoulli Gate knob.
• The Adder module mixes the two Flexi's to one output signal. You could also use a mixer module for finer control.

Thanks @wim I'll try this out.

I've just got this working. Thank you @wim

My next question is: How do I play Drum Pattern C which is 4 bars and have the fills randomly play on 4th bar - choking Pattern C.

Currently with my attempts it's triggering both Pattern C and Fill A/B at the same time.

Is there a way to have a fixed note to trigger Pattern C - that doesn't also trigger the Fills A/B all in one track?

Currently everything is being triggered by C2. And if I change this note, everything is pitched.

I'm not sure without spending some time experimenting, but it's going to involve note filter modules. We're getting in over my head. Hopefully some genius like @rs2000 will step in at this point.

I was also trying to get my brain around how to do this with Koala rather than Flexi. I ran out of time before coming up with a solution.

Wow, thank you @wim

@dmori
Basically, there's not much to add to @wim's suggestion except that you need to limit random triggers of the fill to the 4th bar only, like this:

The modulation knob in Bernoulli Gate is set to 0.5 in my example to achieve a 50% probability of getting the fill triggered with the 4th bar. 1.0 would be "fill every time" and 0.0 would be "never fill".

The sequencer has one bar length with one C2 note that is as long as the bar.

@rs2000 - that's great, thanks. I'll try this out later this evening.

dmori

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sigma79

How do I either use midi or audio from track 1 to mute maybe an amp in track 2.

To gain a choke.

Trying with lfo, compressor with sidechain to track 2, envelope followers etc.

Are the tools in Drambo the same as fac envolver ?

Which might work ?

wim

@sigma79
One simple way is to use a Sampler module with polyphony set to one. Load your samples to different notes and leave MIDI to CV at 1 voice.

sigma79

@wim said:
@sigma79
One simple way is to use a Sampler module with polyphony set to one. Load your samples to different notes and leave MIDI to CV at 1 voice.

Hi wim.

Not using samples.

Lets say theres an au drum machine on track 1 ( with a kick )

an au drum machine on track 2 ( snare )

Because it can either be a euclidean module per track ( or switch to regular sequencer )

Getting midi from track 1 to stop midi triggering on track 2. Might not work.

So its probably to cc modulate and output amp or filter knob on track 2, using an audio signal from track 1 ?

Seems like fac envolver but maybe drambo routings or modules can replicate evolver?

sigma79

Does anyone have an answer how to gain a choke of a kick track output.

Choke the next track etc.

Its mainly for when using euclidean, which will be fun to tweak and use as a live drum machine, with controllers.

Thought maybe fac envolver could work?

Somehow maybe use an audio sidechain signal, to trigger a cc mapped amp etc on the other track.

Thats if theres no way of another track, know what midi will be ( on the other track ) In advance. So a midi option ( if there ever were ) Instead of the audio signal option.

Most be a choke workaround.

The vid is just to show that its a per track drum machine and sometimes uses the euclidean modules per track.

wim

@sigma79 said:
Does anyone have an answer how to gain a choke of a kick track output.

Choke the next track etc.

I have the starting of an idea. It will require a third track after the first two, with a Switch N-1 module. Disconnect the audio output of the two tracks. Then set the input for the first N-1 button to the first AU output and the 2nd N-1 input to the 2nd AU output. You probably want to set the switch to "Smooth" rather than immediate.

That gives you manual control over which AU outputs to this third track.

Now, the part I don't have time to figure out right now is how to set the Index input of the N-1 switch based on the different midi notes coming from those two tracks. Maybe someone will pitch in with a good idea how to do that before I get the time to figure it out.

There's probably a way to do this where you don't need a third track, but this is the first thought that came to me just now.

sigma79

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:
Does anyone have an answer how to gain a choke of a kick track output.

Choke the next track etc.

I have the starting of an idea. It will require a third track after the first two, with a Switch N-1 module. Disconnect the audio output of the two tracks. Then set the input for the first N-1 button to the first AU output and the 2nd N-1 input to the 2nd AU output. You probably want to set the switch to "Smooth" rather than immediate.

That gives you manual control over which AU outputs to this third track.

Now, the part I don't have time to figure out right now is how to set the Index input of the N-1 switch based on the different midi notes coming from those two tracks. Maybe someone will pitch in with a good idea how to do that before I get the time to figure it out.

There's probably a way to do this where you don't need a third track, but this is the first thought that came to me just now.

Thanks.

Iv seen the index thing on the other forum ( if its a number thing )

Will test.

Will fac evolver work though. Audio across fac instance ( if thats how it works ) then use the signal to cc map an amp?

wim

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:
Does anyone have an answer how to gain a choke of a kick track output.

Choke the next track etc.

I have the starting of an idea. It will require a third track after the first two, with a Switch N-1 module. Disconnect the audio output of the two tracks. Then set the input for the first N-1 button to the first AU output and the 2nd N-1 input to the 2nd AU output. You probably want to set the switch to "Smooth" rather than immediate.

That gives you manual control over which AU outputs to this third track.

Now, the part I don't have time to figure out right now is how to set the Index input of the N-1 switch based on the different midi notes coming from those two tracks. Maybe someone will pitch in with a good idea how to do that before I get the time to figure it out.

There's probably a way to do this where you don't need a third track, but this is the first thought that came to me just now.

Thanks.

Iv seen the index thing on the other forum ( if its a number thing )

Will test.

Will fac evolver work though. Audio across fac instance ( if thats how it works ) then use the signal to cc map an amp?

Envolver could work but I don't think that's necessary or the best solution. Besides, if you want to go that route, there's an envelope follower module directly in Drambo. You wouldn't need Envolver.

But as I was thinking about it some more just now. Since the notes are coming from a sequencer on another track, it should be possible to use a note filter and then using that to mute each track when needed. No third track should be needed.

I wish I had time to sit down and figure it out all the way through. But I can't right now.

sigma79

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:

@wim said:

@sigma79 said:
Does anyone have an answer how to gain a choke of a kick track output.

Choke the next track etc.

I have the starting of an idea. It will require a third track after the first two, with a Switch N-1 module. Disconnect the audio output of the two tracks. Then set the input for the first N-1 button to the first AU output and the 2nd N-1 input to the 2nd AU output. You probably want to set the switch to "Smooth" rather than immediate.

That gives you manual control over which AU outputs to this third track.

Now, the part I don't have time to figure out right now is how to set the Index input of the N-1 switch based on the different midi notes coming from those two tracks. Maybe someone will pitch in with a good idea how to do that before I get the time to figure it out.

There's probably a way to do this where you don't need a third track, but this is the first thought that came to me just now.

Thanks.

Iv seen the index thing on the other forum ( if its a number thing )

Will test.

Will fac evolver work though. Audio across fac instance ( if thats how it works ) then use the signal to cc map an amp?

Envolver could work but I don't think that's necessary or the best solution. Besides, if you want to go that route, there's an envelope follower module directly in Drambo. You wouldn't need Envolver.

But as I was thinking about it some more just now. Since the notes are coming from a sequencer on another track, it should be possible to use a note filter and then using that to mute each track when needed. No third track should be needed.

I wish I had time to sit down and figure it out all the way through. But I can't right now.

If you can.

You would have acomplished the best drum machine in history.

If you have fac drum.

This needs to be on each track.

So unsure or not, if the note filter will work.

Thanks.

wim

This may need refinement but might work. You don't need an extra track.

• After the AUv3 on each track, place a MIDI Note Filter set to the note from the other track that you want to cut this one.
• Follow with a MIDI to CV and a Switch N-1.
• Set the first input to the N-1 to the output of the AUv3. Leave the 2nd input disconnected.
• Set the index of the N-1 to the Gate of the Midi to CV.
• Optionally set the type of transition on the N-1 to X-Fade or Smooth

That will result in the track outputting the plugin by default but outputting nothing when a note from the other track is playing.

Telstar5

Wow, I hadn’t been in Drambo for a long time… It sure looks a lot better than it used to GUYI wise

wim

@Telstar5 said:
Wow, I hadn’t been in Drambo for a long time… It sure looks a lot better than it used to GUYI wise

It always reminds me of Monopoly for some reason. 😂

gusgranite

@wim said:

@Telstar5 said:
Wow, I hadn’t been in Drambo for a long time… It sure looks a lot better than it used to GUYI wise

It always reminds me of Monopoly for some reason. 😂

Haha that’s so true

sigma79

@wim said:
This may need refinement but might work. You don't need an extra track.

• After the AUv3 on each track, place a MIDI Note Filter set to the note from the other track that you want to cut this one.
• Follow with a MIDI to CV and a Switch N-1.
• Set the first input to the N-1 to the output of the AUv3. Leave the 2nd input disconnected.
• Set the index of the N-1 to the Gate of the Midi to CV.
• Optionally set the type of transition on the N-1 to X-Fade or Smooth

That will result in the track outputting the plugin by default but outputting nothing when a note from the other track is playing.

Can you choke Euclidean module of track 2, if on the same euclidean step as track 1?

With fac drum per track.

Using all 16 pads of notes.

Perhaps there could be a fac key note not needed.

Maybe it would need to midi the offest, then return the offest but doubt it can.

sigma79

Its to stop sounds like snares triggering if theres a kick.

Tweak the euclidean live via controller. So although cool. Will find many patterns that clash ( kick to snare etc ) because of tweaking.

So would need chokes.

Even if Giku thinks of a way to implement chokes for Drambo.

Would maybe also need to make for the euclidean module.

wim

Sorry, @sigma79 I've lost the thread of your thoughts. Your setups and needs are bewilderingly complex to me. Best of luck though.

sigma79

@wim said:
Sorry, @sigma79 I've lost the thread of your thoughts. Your setups and needs are bewilderingly complex to me. Best of luck though.

Thanks.

No worries.

It probably would need implementing by dev.

hghon

Why not use the audio from track 1 to choke track 2? I use an envelope follower on track 2 connected to the audio from track 1 to control an N-1 switch and it works for me. The note played on track one wouldn’t matter as long as audio is being output. The decay setting on the envelope follower would need to be accurately set.

Coloobar

I've searched for an answer to this, but I'm wondering if Drambo can record/automate the XY pad (midi CC) automation in Synthmaster 2?

sigma79

@Coloobar said:
I've searched for an answer to this, but I'm wondering if Drambo can record/automate the XY pad (midi CC) automation in Synthmaster 2?

Of course ( I guess )

Just downloaded synthmaster 2 ( good sounding synth )

Looking to buy SM3.

You can automate parameters that would be classed as x/y ( in vid )

I just noticed the vector synth has x/y also ( which also works )

Whatever x/y you are on about, should work.

It will produce 2 x knobs and 2 automation lanes.

sigma79

@hghon said:
Why not use the audio from track 1 to choke track 2? I use an envelope follower on track 2 connected to the audio from track 1 to control an N-1 switch and it works for me. The note played on track one wouldn’t matter as long as audio is being output. The decay setting on the envelope follower would need to be accurately set.

Thanks hghon.

Do you mean like this?

Its quite good.

It does actually offset

Just adds clicks though.

Is it setup correct?

All connections are made on track 2/ There isnt any cross track ( 1 and 2 ) connections, to be made?

hghon

@sigma79 said:

@hghon said:
Why not use the audio from track 1 to choke track 2? I use an envelope follower on track 2 connected to the audio from track 1 to control an N-1 switch and it works for me. The note played on track one wouldn’t matter as long as audio is being output. The decay setting on the envelope follower would need to be accurately set.

Thanks hghon.

Do you mean like this?

Its quite good.

It does actually offset

Just adds clicks though.

Is it setup correct?

All connections are made on track 2/ There isnt any cross track ( 1 and 2 ) connections, to be made?

Yea all connections are on track 2
I guess using this method you’ll hear the drum on track 2 “bleed through” if drum 1 is shorter than drum2
I’m thinking of ways to fix it
Perhaps connect the N-1 switch to an envelope with a longer decay (that is triggered by the same Euclidean on track 1)? I’ll check it again when I can 👍

sigma79

@hghon said:

@sigma79 said:

@hghon said:
Why not use the audio from track 1 to choke track 2? I use an envelope follower on track 2 connected to the audio from track 1 to control an N-1 switch and it works for me. The note played on track one wouldn’t matter as long as audio is being output. The decay setting on the envelope follower would need to be accurately set.

Thanks hghon.

Do you mean like this?

Its quite good.

It does actually offset

Just adds clicks though.

Is it setup correct?

All connections are made on track 2/ There isnt any cross track ( 1 and 2 ) connections, to be made?

Yea all connections are on track 2
I guess using this method you’ll hear the drum on track 2 “bleed through” if drum 1 is shorter than drum2
I’m thinking of ways to fix it
Perhaps connect the N-1 switch to an envelope with a longer decay (that is triggered by the same Euclidean on track 1)? I’ll check it again when I can 👍

Thanks.

Appreciate if can find a solution.

Coloobar

EDIT never mind I found the answer... I needed to select the midi out destination on the midi output module.

I'm trying to output Drambo to an external hardware synth... have my iPad connected to a midi hub using bluetooth (CME WIDI Thru6 BT). It's showing up as a midi output in Drambo but my synth is not receiving the midi data from the Drambo app. Just wondering what I'm missing here? I'm using other iPad apps that are sending midi properly.