Zenbeats Version 3

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Telstar5

@ehehehe said:

@Telstar5 said:
@CapnWillie : Ditto, I’m considering buying the MV1.. Zenbeats is indeed probably getting more love and updates than any other iOS DAW .

The integration seems pretty shallow, and roland seem to ditch their hw support pretty fast, but go ahead and please report back. If the MV didn't have sooo much tiny screen menu diving (that you cant do from the ipad anyways) it would actually be interesting.

If you have Zenbeats, you can use the MV1 editor on there

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DMfan

@dobbs said:
Been out of the loop for a while, was wondering if ZC1 is ever supposed to become more than a preset-player?

I doubt it at the current low price point for ZB on iOS for platform unlock. As long as iOS is not compatible with Roland Cloud I see no reason for Roland to port Zenology. Then they would have to charge way above other apps on the App Store to make it profitable and en par with the subscription price points on PC/Mac.

But, one shall never say never😊.

/DMfan🇸🇪

Telstar5

@ehehehe said:

@Telstar5 said:

@ehehehe said:

@Telstar5 said:
@CapnWillie : Ditto, I’m considering buying the MV1.. Zenbeats is indeed probably getting more love and updates than any other iOS DAW .

The integration seems pretty shallow, and roland seem to ditch their hw support pretty fast, but go ahead and please report back. If the MV didn't have sooo much tiny screen menu diving (that you cant do from the ipad anyways) it would actually be interesting.

If you have Zenbeats, you can use the MV1 editor on there

Accessing all params? Then they have tightened the integration since i checked, thanks!

I only wish…Not yet but the large window helps as is…

cuezaireekaa

@DMfan said:

@Optahealth said:
Seems like the keyboard used to show in scaler 2 plug in, inside ZB, before most recent update.
Also seems like lots of dead space surrounding plug in.
Tried changing up scale factor, and use plug in windows, with no improvement.

The AUv3 issues are high priority for the dev team right now. Making sure Scaler 2 plugin is in the list if it’s not there already.

/DMfan🇸🇪

So there is no way to resize the plugins? Seems like that would solve it but idk. Gonna take advantage of their deal an jump onboard anyway.

DMfan

Welcome aboard sailor!😊

Not right now as far as I can tell, apart from adjusting scaling in the settings or adjusting with the arrows in the lower part of the screen like the on-screen keyboard.

Some AUv3s work, some don’t. Dev needs to know of those that don’t in current version (3.1.0) for example scale properly, from us users.

Or any bugs for that matter. I know the dev team is very active and responsive.

Use regular Roland support channels or post here, your feedback will be picked up one way or another.

/DMfan🇸🇪

cuezaireekaa

@DMfan said:
Welcome aboard sailor!😊

Not right now as far as I can tell, apart from adjusting scaling in the settings or adjusting with the arrows in the lower part of the screen like the on-screen keyboard.

Some AUv3s work, some don’t. Dev needs to know of those that don’t in current version (3.1.0) for example scale properly, from us users.

Or any bugs for that matter. I know the dev team is very active and responsive.

Use regular Roland support channels or post here, your feedback will be picked up one way or another.

/DMfan🇸🇪

Sweet thanks! Hopefully resizing auv3 windows becomes a thing.
So far really liking this daw. Great to look at also. If I find anything buggy, I’ll do that!

It seemed like Euclidean sequencer was acting very weird. Might have been user error..

Telstar5

From what I can see, the most active development team on iOS. just look at the App Store and see the version history

Schmotown

@Telstar5 said:
@Korakios : I was tempted to buy the Akai 61 but also was a bit put off by the quality of the AIR plug ins. I think I’ll just stick w Zenbeats/n-Track

@Korakios I’m curious about how/why you use both ZB and n-Track. Does n-Track have some functionality that’s missing in Zenbeats?

Telstar5

@Schmotown said:

@Telstar5 said:
@Korakios : I was tempted to buy the Akai 61 but also was a bit put off by the quality of the AIR plug ins. I think I’ll just stick w Zenbeats/n-Track

@Korakios I’m curious about how/why you use both ZB and n-Track. Does n-Track have some functionality that’s missing in Zenbeats?

I’m new to n-Track so it’s too early to tell. But to start off , ntrack’s GUI is gorgeous and the “Suite” version has 10 gig (400 instruments ) .. It’s got a built in drawable filter , plus many other plug ins. You can peep it on their website .

MatthewAtZenbeats

@DMfan said:
Welcome aboard sailor!😊

Not right now as far as I can tell, apart from adjusting scaling in the settings or adjusting with the arrows in the lower part of the screen like the on-screen keyboard.

Some AUv3s work, some don’t. Dev needs to know of those that don’t in current version (3.1.0) for example scale properly, from us users.

Or any bugs for that matter. I know the dev team is very active and responsive.

Use regular Roland support channels or post here, your feedback will be picked up one way or another.

/DMfan🇸🇪

@Korakios said:
I think there is a bug with the filter on the mixer , it always pops a little when moving start or end . Maybe it's by design , when on default position it's deactivated for cpu optimization , don't know

There is a small click on the (depending on the source material being played) when enabling and disabling the track filters. That's been there since 1.0. It's on the list, but we are working on higher priority bugs currently (AU plugin issues, crashers, etc)

MatthewAtZenbeats

@Korakios said:

@DMfan said:

@Korakios said:
I think there is a bug with the filter on the mixer , it always pops a little when moving start or end . Maybe it's by design , when on default position it's deactivated for cpu optimization , don't know

Are you referring to the Main Track filter in the mixer view? If so, it is dead quiet for me, no pops. Care to share some more details? When is it happening? What device are you on?

/DMfan🇸🇪

Yes , that filter . to be precise it clicks only once when I tweak it from the default position right or left (enabling hi cut/lo cut)

Also it seems I can't put on favorites the AU plugins, I press the star icon , nothing happens

Another bug I found was rendering on the fly a midi loop with DRC to an audio clip , audio was scattered , freezing the track first and then unfreezing it ,fixed the problem when moved the loop again to audio clip

It seems strange that ZB3 saves the project when freezing a track , it might not be helpful if you are just messing around

A minor GUI issue , was wondering where the cpu meter was and had to scale to 90% the GUI , then it fitted the screen

Air2 latest iOS

Edit: does anyone know if there is an option to double the lenght of a clip in loopbuilder view ? I was 99% sure I could do it in the past but it seems it's only possible on timeline view

@Telstar5 said:
Not to speak for @MatthewAtZenbeats ,but he has hinted elsewhere that a possible hardware configuration for Zenbeats MIGHT be on the drawing board.

That would be great , in the meantime I mess with the Akai Force , although the plugins are much lower quality than AUs (drumsynth is fine) , I prefer the hardware feel . ZB3 feels like a mobile Force in terms of workflow
I know that Ableton Live is competitive software but wish there was a way to export clips to Live set
(so I could import them to Force)

PS. A quick FR , it would be nice to export a drum pad to Sampleverse track for playing it chromatically

Regarding this FR. Would implementing a chromatic mode for drum pads make more sense or is there something specific in SampleVerse you'd like to use?

Telstar5

@MatthewAtZenbeats : I dunno about Kiriakos but Just my 2c… Chromatic mode for drum pads would be a high priority for and for other users I’m sure . I assume it’s on the table for the future ?

Korakios

@MatthewAtZenbeats said:
There is a small click on the (depending on the source material being played) when enabling and disabling the track filters. That's been there since 1.0. It's on the list, but we are working on higher priority bugs currently (AU plugin issues, crashers, etc)

lol , never noticed it until recently !

@MatthewAtZenbeats said:

@Korakios said:
PS. A quick FR , it would be nice to export a drum pad to Sampleverse track for playing it chromatically

Regarding this FR. Would implementing a chromatic mode for drum pads make more sense or is there something specific in SampleVerse you'd like to use?

On drum pads I guess it makes more sense
Maybe as low priority exporting to SampleVerse at some point since it's flexible (although I have plenty FRs )

Another minor bug , enabling latch on the onboard-keyboard and switching to pad mode the triggered pads stay lit and can't be deactivated or re-triggered

ipadbeatmaking

Chromatic Drum Pads Please 🙏

Telstar5

I’d like to see Zenbeats integrated into the Roland Fantom series a la Logic Pro and Ableton.

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DMfan

@ehehehe said:
Steinberg are also on the ball, as frequent updates doesn't need to be a good thing. I think it might as well be because ZB is based on an old af Stagelight app. ZB feels janky imho, doesn't have a full synth engine and the most baffling purchase methods ever known to man. If they released their synth engine on ios nobody would get their current digital hw workstations. I do like their sounds though, so big thanks to TAL

Cubasis is also a great product supported by an active team, for sure. And you are most likely right marketing-wise about ZC1 inside Zenbeats. For me as a preset user, it does the job well it is intended for. I have loads of other options on iOS, TAL Uno LX for example, if I want to make sounds from scratch or deep-dive into the many sound design ways. And I find nothing baffling about the platform purchase method and the option of buying sound packs. It is the same as in many other products. It gives me a music production environment that is rapidly challenging even Cubasis and also access to the Roland sound universe.

Roland’s subscription model for Roland Cloud though is another matter, and it is simply Roland’s chosen method for the PC/Mac world. Like it or leave it, everyone’s own choice. Subscriptions have been extensively discussed before in the forum so let’s not dive into that here.

So. Maybe there is a way to fix the other things you find janky in Zenbeats if you let us know what is not working or what functions you need that are missing?

Cheers!

DMfan🇸🇪

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Telstar5

I had the original Stagelight when Roland took it over . It’s a totally different being now. They even vastly overhauled the GUI. They’re working on improving AuV3 so if you want a more programmable synth get Model D , Lay-R , Flowtones or Animoog . Plus I can’t mix time signatures on Cubasis yet.. That’s a HUGE dealbreaker. Both are great apps.

DMfan

@ehehehe said:
I prefer both the Cubasis UI and workflow thanks, will maybe check out ZB if they do a total rewrite of the code or something. It's just so disappointing seeing how a once great company now caters to caravan-living hobbyists (the "boutiques") and users of ugly "trendy" EDM sound packs. Not interested untill they release a real synth.

And that is of course totally fine, to each their own. I wouldn’t mind a proper Roland synth app on iOS either, that would be a blast! ZC2, Jupiter-Xi or a Juno -Xi, I’d be all in!😊 Not likely though…

/DMfan🇸🇪

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Korakios

@ehehehe said:

@Telstar5 said:
From what I can see, the most active development team on iOS. just look at the App Store and see the version history

Steinberg are also on the ball, as frequent updates doesn't need to be a good thing. I think it might as well be because ZB is based on an old af Stagelight app. ZB feels janky imho, doesn't have a full synth engine and the most baffling purchase methods ever known to man. If they released their synth engine on ios nobody would get their current digital hw workstations. I do like their sounds though, so big thanks to TAL

10$ buying the core , 100$ for everything, or 30$/year subscription (optional) , I don't confusing . If you open the store inside ZB3 , it explains with more detail the purchase differences .
As for the rest , it's just a matter of taste .... personally I'm not fun of the internal sounds (have plenty AUs to mess around, the internal are just "good") , but I really like the workflow

Telstar5

Just found out that 3.1 has even more RolNd versalab MV1 integration

Korakios

@Telstar5 said:
Just found out that 3.1 has even more RolNd versalab MV1 integration

any videos or changelog specifically to MV1 ?

Telstar5

I was looking myself .. Haven’t seen.. It’s difficult to find because I don’t think it shows up until you have your versalab plugged in. I’ve been on the fence about the MV-1 for a long time but both updates on the Versalb AND Zenbeats Igor send me over the edge lol .

DMfan

@Korakios said:

@Telstar5 said:
Just found out that 3.1 has even more RolNd versalab MV1 integration

any videos or changelog specifically to MV1 ?

This is listed in the changelog:

New: MV-1 System Program Ver. 1.80 support (3 new MFX plugins)

There might be other smaller enhancements but I believe 3.1 was focusing on sidechain and bug fixing for ZB itself, not on MV-1. The 1.80 update was synced across several products.

And yes, the MV-1 needs to be connected for the controls to show up.

/DMfan🇸🇪

Oregano

@MatthewAtZenbeats, I saw a question earlier in this thread about plug-in sizes and wasn’t sure if there was a resolution. Some plugins UI are wide (like Ting or Skaka from Klevgrand), and the plug-in window is chopped off on the left and right (on my iPad 9th gen). If I select a pad there to edit, the “x” to close it within the plugin is in the chopped off area so there is no way for me to get out of where I ended up. I tried this with floating auv3s and fixed. Is there a fix on the way or a workaround? Thanks.

On another note - there doesn’t seem to be a way for me to export a midi effect’s output to separate tracks, is that correct? Piano motifs for instance generates midi that can drive multiple tracks in AUM but I was unable to do that in Zenbeats.

Thanks!

MatthewAtZenbeats

@Oregano said:
@MatthewAtZenbeats, I saw a question earlier in this thread about plug-in sizes and wasn’t sure if there was a resolution. Some plugins UI are wide (like Ting or Skaka from Klevgrand), and the plug-in window is chopped off on the left and right (on my iPad 9th gen). If I select a pad there to edit, the “x” to close it within the plugin is in the chopped off area so there is no way for me to get out of where I ended up. I tried this with floating auv3s and fixed. Is there a fix on the way or a workaround? Thanks.

On another note - there doesn’t seem to be a way for me to export a midi effect’s output to separate tracks, is that correct? Piano motifs for instance generates midi that can drive multiple tracks in AUM but I was unable to do that in Zenbeats.

Thanks!

Some AUV3 scaling fixes are in test and will be on the way soon. There's still plenty of work to do in this area, but it will be an improvement.

As for recording from MIDI Plugins, it can be done on one channel. With a MIDI plugin inserted on an instrument. You will see this option in the Routing Menu. Switch it off.

You can then record the output of the MIDI effect to the track, then could copy that MIDI Pattern to other channels